Andre Drummond-New offensive rebound leader for the Pistons+more

[zeebneeb]

Kind of snuck up on everyone and it's probably becuase the Pistons have always seemed to have world class rebounders.

Andre is in another class all to himself though;


Offensive Rebounds
1. Andre Drummond 2492
2. Bill Laimbeer 2429
3. Dennis Rodman* 2395
4. Ben Wallace 2286
5. Bob Lanier* 1380
6. Terry Tyler 1223
7. Greg Monroe 1208
8. Vinnie Johnson 1165
9. Tayshaun Prince 1005
10. Isiah Thomas* 951

Rebounds Per Game
1. Andre Drummond 13.6
2. Bailey Howell* 11.8
3. Bob Lanier* 11.8
4. Walter Dukes 11.8
5. Dennis Rodman* 11.5
6. Dave DeBusschere* 11.2
7. Ben Wallace 11.1
8. Larry Foust 10.9
9. Happy Hairston 10.7
10. Ray Scott 10.7


Defensive Rebound Pct
1. Andre Drummond 32.6
2. Ben Wallace 27.5
3. Dennis Rodman* 26.8
4. Bill Laimbeer 25.1
5. Kwame Brown 24.1
6. Bob Lanier* 23.6
7. Jerome Williams 23.6
8. Olden Polynice 23.4
9. Greg Monroe 22.8
10. Antonio McDyess 22.8


Total Rebound Pct
1. Andre Drummond 24.2
2. Dennis Rodman* 21.7
3. Ben Wallace 19.8
4. Jerome Williams 19.4
5. Olden Polynice 18.3
6. Antonio McDyess 16.9
7. Greg Monroe 16.9
8. Kwame Brown 16.8
9. Bill Laimbeer 16.8
10. Bob Lanier* 16.6


Offensive Rebound Pct
1. Dennis Rodman* 16.6
2. Andre Drummond 16.4
3. Jerome Williams 15.2
4. Olden Polynice 13.3
5. Amir Johnson 13.3
6. Cliff Levingston 13.2
7. Ben Wallace 12.4
8. Greg Monroe 11.3
9. Mark West 11.1
10. Antonio McDyess 11.1

And career RPG NBA overall


Rank Player RPG
1. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.89
2. Bill Russell* 22.45
3. Bob Pettit* 16.22
4. Jerry Lucas* 15.61
5. Nate Thurmond* 15.00
6. Mel Daniels* 14.91
7. Wes Unseld* 13.99
8. Walt Bellamy* 13.65
9. Dave Cowens* 13.63
10. Andre Drummond 13.57
11. Elgin Baylor* 13.55
12. Dennis Rodman* 13.12
13. Willis Reed* 12.94
14. Dwight Howard 12.63
15. Elvin Hayes* 12.49
16. Artis Gilmore* 12.29
17. Moses Malone* 12.26
18. Gus Johnson* 12.08
19. Dolph Schayes* 12.08
20. Bill Bridges 11.94


Andre Drummond is a generational rebounder, and would put up almost identical rebounding numbers as the all time greats if he played their minutes. He may go down as a top 3 rebounder of all time, if not even higher.

Congrats Andre!

All stats www.basketball-reference.com

[DBC10]

Rodman being still up there and that gaudy offensive reb rate is just filthy even more so now. Arguably we have guys that are getting way more athletic and lengthier yet Dennis still remains up there.

[zeebneeb]

You know, another one I forgot;

Total Rebounds
1. Bill Laimbeer 9430
2. Bob Lanier* 8063
3. Ben Wallace 7264
4. Andre Drummond 7097
5. Dennis Rodman* 6299
6. Larry Foust 5200
7. Walter Dukes 4986
8. Dave DeBusschere* 4947
9. Bailey Howell* 4583
10. Ray Scott 4508

In two more seasons, Andre will be the Pistons all time rebounding leader.

[tmorgan]

I mean, yeah, when you're built the way he is, stay healthy the way he has, and have no range the way he doesn't... boards will come.

I'm way more excited about his play lately than anything else. So much better.

[tmorgan]

Didja know Andre is top 10 in the league in both steals and blocks per game? I did not. Impressive.

He also leads the league in double-doubles.

[Spider156]

Didja know Andre is top 10 in the league in both steals and blocks per game? I did not. Impressive.

He also leads the league in double-doubles.

Yeah he's the only one in the Top 10. Leading the league in rebounds. He's a candidate for defensive player of the year.

[MotownMadness]

That’s amazing

[JohnReese]

Didja know Andre is top 10 in the league in both steals and blocks per game? I did not. Impressive.

He also leads the league in double-doubles.

Yeah he's the only one in the Top 10. Leading the league in rebounds. He's a candidate for defensive player of the year.

DPOY????

Do not make me laugh.

Embiid, Marc Gasol, Horford, Davis, Gobert, Whiteside, Adams and even Capela are better defensive players.

Drummond got all the tools, probably the best physical conditions beyond Anthony Davis but is incapable of being focused in the game all the time.

[hoophabit]

Drummond is the perfect example of the old saw, "familiarity breeds contempt." He can get all the numbers, but still we get from some Pistons fans a long list of those who are his 'betters.' All of this, while game after game his impact of the Pistons' defense is made most especially clear when he's off the floor.

[DBC10]

Drummond is the perfect example of the old saw, "familiarity breeds contempt." He can get all the numbers, but still we get from some Pistons fans a long list of those who are his 'betters.' All of this, while game after game his impact of the Pistons' defense is made most especially clear when he's off the floor.

Well, the inverse is true to that as well. You got fans continually saying he’s the next big thing and is near untouchable in criticism

The truth, as is usually the case is a mix of both and it probably the more accurate depiction.

[DetroitSho]

Drummond is the perfect example of the old saw, "familiarity breeds contempt." He can get all the numbers, but still we get from some Pistons fans a long list of those who are his 'betters.' All of this, while game after game his impact of the Pistons' defense is made most especially clear when he's off the floor.

Well, the inverse is true to that as well. You got fans continually saying he’s the next big thing and is near untouchable in criticism

The truth, as is usually the case is a mix of both and it probably the more accurate depiction.

This is dishonest. The next big thing? Just no. I don't think the credit Drummond gets credit beyond what he actually shows on the court. There's no more projections or "if he can just add xyz" type statements, the praise he gets (when he gets it) is strictly performance based and not what he could become.

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[DBC10]

Drummond is the perfect example of the old saw, "familiarity breeds contempt." He can get all the numbers, but still we get from some Pistons fans a long list of those who are his 'betters.' All of this, while game after game his impact of the Pistons' defense is made most especially clear when he's off the floor.

Well, the inverse is true to that as well. You got fans continually saying he’s the next big thing and is near untouchable in criticism

The truth, as is usually the case is a mix of both and it probably the more accurate depiction.

This is dishonest. The next big thing? Just no. I don't think the credit Drummond gets credit beyond what he actually shows on the court. There's no more projections or "if he can just add xyz" type statements, the praise he gets (when he gets it) is strictly performance based and not what he could become.

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Well that was just a random old adage from yesteryears for the sake of an example.

He gets enough of praise for what he is this year, a semi enigma and also criticisms are deserved even if from some that are wildly outspoken. I’d say the worst of it was when we were under .500 and out of the playoff picture for a while. We’re all fans here at the end of it.

[Snakebites]

He is what he is. He's the best rebounder in the league and one of the best rebounders for a franchise that has had a ton of great ones. Rodman at his 2-3 year peak edges him out IMO but that's about it, he's a better rebounder than Ben. One of the best in the modern era. Even on poor days you can still usually count on him to be an impact on the glass on both ends.

He also definitely has some tricks up his sleeve defensively but doesn't always put fourth the same level of effort and confidence on that end every night. His size and rebounding give a good number of scoring opportunities even though he's not really a great post player and doesn't have an amazing face up game either. He's an opportunistic scorer and his opportunities depend on how engaged he is. His presence as a scorer, much like his defensive presence, depends on where he is mentally.

Is he a useful player? Absolutely. Is he an All-NBA level guy? Despite making it on that team a few years back, I'd say no. He has things he does well, things he does inconsistently, and things he does poorly.

He's been on a roll recently in that he's been consistently engaged and impactful. He's not really reaching new heights as a player but he's hitting his highs a lot more often, and I like that there's been a few games recently where he's gotten off to a bad start and pulled it together. With the Drummond we had the last 2 years and the first part of this year, a bad start was a bad game. I'm hoping what we're seeing now is maturity finally taking root.

[tmorgan]

That's a good post, Snakebites, but there ARE some actual (what appear to be permanent) improvements.

Free throw shooting, for one. This is almost two years now of a 20+% improvement in his free throw percentage. Make fun of him all you want for how bad he was, but now he's just Shaq-ish. Bad, but not embarrassingly bad. And he seems to hit an even higher percentage if it's close and late, which is semi-amazing.

His overall defense is better, too. Not blocks and steals, as those have usually been there, but positioning and using his arms effectively to cutoff lanes. Yes, his attention level still fluxuates, but that's true of almost everyone.

He's a good player now. Very good, even, most nights. He's earning his contract. Wasn't sure that was gonna happen.

[hoophabit]

He is what he is. He's the best rebounder in the league and one of the best rebounders for a franchise that has had a ton of great ones. Rodman at his 2-3 year peak edges him out IMO but that's about it, he's a better rebounder than Ben. One of the best in the modern era. Even on poor days you can still usually count on him to be an impact on the glass on both ends.

He also definitely has some tricks up his sleeve defensively but doesn't always put fourth the same level of effort and confidence on that end every night. His size and rebounding give a good number of scoring opportunities even though he's not really a great post player and doesn't have an amazing face up game either. He's an opportunistic scorer and his opportunities depend on how engaged he is. His presence as a scorer, much like his defensive presence, depends on where he is mentally.

Is he a useful player? Absolutely. Is he an All-NBA level guy? Despite making it on that team a few years back, I'd say no. He has things he does well, things he does inconsistently, and things he does poorly.

He's been on a roll recently in that he's been consistently engaged and impactful. He's not really reaching new heights as a player but he's hitting his highs a lot more often, and I like that there's been a few games recently where he's gotten off to a bad start and pulled it together. With the Drummond we had the last 2 years and the first part of this year, a bad start was a bad game. I'm hoping what we're seeing now is maturity finally taking root.

I'd only add the observation that he's now the same age Rodman was when he joined the Pistons. Rodman's best years rebounding were ages 30-33. Yes, he is what he is, but it's also reasonable to think his best years may well be ahead of him. Andre's progress in the last two seasons is noteworthy. His FT shooting improvement alone in that period could qualify as a "new height?" He is not a 'demigod' however. I suppose the question is whether his newfound professionalism is real?

[fleet40]

Reading this just confirms we have been one of the greatest franchises when it comes to the boards.

Drummond, Rodman, Laimbeer, Wallace (all great not putting them in any order.)

Hot damn. Greatness.

[DetroitPistons]

Yup. He's a beast. He needs to be part of core going forward. No more of this dumping him for expirings talk.

[Snakebites]

He is what he is. He's the best rebounder in the league and one of the best rebounders for a franchise that has had a ton of great ones. Rodman at his 2-3 year peak edges him out IMO but that's about it, he's a better rebounder than Ben. One of the best in the modern era. Even on poor days you can still usually count on him to be an impact on the glass on both ends.

He also definitely has some tricks up his sleeve defensively but doesn't always put fourth the same level of effort and confidence on that end every night. His size and rebounding give a good number of scoring opportunities even though he's not really a great post player and doesn't have an amazing face up game either. He's an opportunistic scorer and his opportunities depend on how engaged he is. His presence as a scorer, much like his defensive presence, depends on where he is mentally.

Is he a useful player? Absolutely. Is he an All-NBA level guy? Despite making it on that team a few years back, I'd say no. He has things he does well, things he does inconsistently, and things he does poorly.

He's been on a roll recently in that he's been consistently engaged and impactful. He's not really reaching new heights as a player but he's hitting his highs a lot more often, and I like that there's been a few games recently where he's gotten off to a bad start and pulled it together. With the Drummond we had the last 2 years and the first part of this year, a bad start was a bad game. I'm hoping what we're seeing now is maturity finally taking root.

I'd only add the observation that he's now the same age Rodman was when he joined the Pistons. Rodman's best years rebounding were ages 30-33. Yes, he is what he is, but it's also reasonable to think his best years may well be ahead of him. Andre's progress in the last two seasons is noteworthy. His FT shooting improvement alone in that period could qualify as a "new height?" He is not a 'demigod' however. I suppose the question is whether his newfound professionalism is real?

It’s a little deceptive to compare age to age with Rodman. He had a very atypical career trajectory.

[hoophabit]

I'd only add the observation that he's now the same age Rodman was when he joined the Pistons. Rodman's best years rebounding were ages 30-33. Yes, he is what he is, but it's also reasonable to think his best years may well be ahead of him. Andre's progress in the last two seasons is noteworthy. His FT shooting improvement alone in that period could qualify as a "new height?" He is not a 'demigod' however. I suppose the question is whether his newfound professionalism is real?

It’s a little deceptive to compare age to age with Rodman. He had a very atypical career trajectory.

No doubt Rodman was a 'special case.' Still, bigs are often able to play effectively longer than smaller players, which could bode well for Andre. Rodman was a marvel. Best pound for pound rebounder ever. 6'7" or maybe 6'8" and pushing 230 lbs at his peak and rebound like that? I remain of the opinion that it's good keep in mind that Dre is 25 with a lot of bright future ahead of him barring something tragic.

[tmorgan]

More "junk" stats, yeah, but:

Drummond is 20th in the league in PER, and 15th in EWA (estimated wins added).

(Blake is 31st in PER, 21st in EWA, although I'm sure he was higher on the lists a couple months ago)