Kentucky prospects (Johnson, Hagans, Washington, Herro...)

[PLO]

we get it, Herro is undraftable.

let's move on

If you're going to attribute something as extreme as the word "undraftable" you should at least be accurate. The only guy I've described as undraftable this season is Jordan Nwora and it wasn't even on this sub-forum.

OP was being sarcastic

OP's sarcasm seems to extend to not actually watching players play (ie Nas Little) and stating tripe like comparing him statistically (as equals in college) to Jayson Tatum.

So I understand what OP's sarcasm is. I just don't think you do.

[NotACat]

If you're going to attribute something as extreme as the word "undraftable" you should at least be accurate. The only guy I've described as undraftable this season is Jordan Nwora and it wasn't even on this sub-forum.

OP was being sarcastic

OP's sarcasm seems to extend to not actually watching players play (ie Nas Little) and stating tripe like comparing him statistically (as equals in college) to Jayson Tatum.

So I understand what OP's sarcasm is. I just don't think you do.

They posted that when someone was posting about Herro being undraftable, a lot of bickering against that poster, bickering stopped after the quoted post.

[clyde21]

If you're going to attribute something as extreme as the word "undraftable" you should at least be accurate. The only guy I've described as undraftable this season is Jordan Nwora and it wasn't even on this sub-forum.

OP was being sarcastic

OP's sarcasm seems to extend to not actually watching players play (ie Nas Little) and stating tripe like comparing him statistically (as equals in college) to Jayson Tatum.

So I understand what OP's sarcasm is. I just don't think you do.

yea I dont watch any of this players play only u do big guy

[Justwar]

I have major questions about herro that I've discussed before but his athleticism isn't bad. I would say he's a above average, he gets to the basket a lot.

[clyde21]

he's a decent straight line athlete. what he is stiff hipped. his change of direction needs work and lateral agility is sub-par.

but he's actually stronger than he looks, has good footwork, and a high motor/BBIQ. he's never going to be a defensive stopper but i don't think he's a huge liability on that end either.

[clyde21]

final season stats:

Keldon: 17.8ppg / 7.6 rpg / 2.2apg, +18.7 Net Rating, 7 BPM, 18.7 PER, 57 TS%

Herro: 17.8ppg / 5.7rpg / 2.9apg, 1.3spg, +23.4 Net Rating, 8.9 BPM, 19.8 PER, 59 TS%

PJ: 20.4ppg / 10.3rpg / 2.6apg / 1.1spg / 1.3bpg, +27.2 Net Rating, 11.5 BPM, 25.6 PER, 60 TS%

Hagans: 11.2ppg / 3.3rpg / 5.9apg / 2.5spg, +9.4 Net Rating, 6.8 BPM, 15 PER, 57 TS%

[mattg]

Hagans isn’t a prospect. He’s the worst of the UK highly rated PG recruits by far in calipsri’s tenure. He’s gonna declare this year but he’s a G-Leaguer who’s gonna have a really really rough go of things.

[Stillwater]

Johnson seems like he could free-fall to late first and makes me think he might seriously consider returning for a soph season.
Probably stays in,but falls imo

[clyde21]

Johnson seems like he could free-fall to late first and makes me think he might seriously consider returning for a soph season.
Probably stays in,but falls imo

don't think he falls too far...maybe to the Portland or Thunder pick.

[Stillwater]

Johnson seems like he could free-fall to late first and makes me think he might seriously consider returning for a soph season.
Probably stays in,but falls imo

don't think he falls too far...maybe to the Portland or Thunder pick.

yeah I'm thinking late teens early 20's ceiling for sure maybe late 20's floor. depends on his tournament play at this point. He's a solid pro prospect. I'm just not that impressed with his ability to play the 3 at the next level, so unless he is looked at as an off guard with need for refinements which he could be,I think he'll slide out of lottery conversations anyway.

[clyde21]

Johnson seems like he could free-fall to late first and makes me think he might seriously consider returning for a soph season.
Probably stays in,but falls imo

don't think he falls too far...maybe to the Portland or Thunder pick.

yeah I'm thinking late teens early 20's ceiling for sure maybe late 20's floor. depends on his tournament play at this point. He's a solid pro prospect. I'm just not that impressed with his ability to play the 3 at the next level, so unless he is looked at as an off guard with need for refinements which he could be,I think he'll slide out of lottery conversations anyway.

yeah I see him more as a 2 than a 3, but he should be also to play the 3 depending on the lineups...kinda like Gary Harris who i compare him to. you'll see him lineup at the 3 at some points.

i actually think his ability to play both the 2 and 3 will actually draw some teams in.

[mattg]

Johnson seems like he could free-fall to late first and makes me think he might seriously consider returning for a soph season.
Probably stays in,but falls imo

don't think he falls too far...maybe to the Portland or Thunder pick.

yeah I'm thinking late teens early 20's ceiling for sure maybe late 20's floor. depends on his tournament play at this point. He's a solid pro prospect. I'm just not that impressed with his ability to play the 3 at the next level, so unless he is looked at as an off guard with need for refinements which he could be,I think he'll slide out of lottery conversations anyway.

Don’t think he’s a lotto prospect really. Keldon has no standout attributes really, he’s just decent all the way around. Reminds me of like Rodney McGruder or something. I think keldon will make teams, but unless he puts a lot of work into his skills he won’t ever be a consistent rotation player.

Id be quite surprised if Johnson went above Herro, especially once workouts happen.

[NotACat]

Johnson seems like he could free-fall to late first and makes me think he might seriously consider returning for a soph season.
Probably stays in,but falls imo

don't think he falls too far...maybe to the Portland or Thunder pick.

I don't think he would slip past Orlando if NAW is off the board.

[clyde21]

Johnson seems like he could free-fall to late first and makes me think he might seriously consider returning for a soph season.
Probably stays in,but falls imo

don't think he falls too far...maybe to the Portland or Thunder pick.

I don't think he would slip past Orlando if NAW is off the board.

that's way too rich for Keldon IMO

[RipCity71252]

Feel really good right now about my early call on Herro being UK's best prospect.

[Justwar]

Feel really good right now about my early call on Herro being UK's best prospect.

It's still pj because eventually measurables matter

[doordoor123]

Herro has grown on me. Has more skill than I thought, but I still see him as a Roleplayer at the next level. Don’t think we’re talking about a player that will be better than an average starter in his career.

[doordoor123]

Hagans isn’t a prospect. He’s the worst of the UK highly rated PG recruits by far in calipsri’s tenure. He’s gonna declare this year but he’s a G-Leaguer who’s gonna have a really really rough go of things.

I’m kind of with you there, I think he’s a G-League player right now. BUT, he has some advanced moves and some high upside. For me, because this is a weak draft in terms of guards, I consider him more early 2nd. Players like him hardly ever translate because he’s a project, but I like his tools and his flashes of advanced moves. I think he’s worth the gamble.

[RipCity71252]

Herro has grown on me. Has more skill than I thought, but I still see him as a Roleplayer at the next level. Don’t think we’re talking about a player that will be better than an average starter in his career.

I think he has a chance to be a little more than that, but his size and role definitely presents some risk.

But I'm more so pretty low on KJ and PJ than thinking Herro is some star or something.

PJ is an undersized big who isn't special on either end. He's like a shorter less athletic Vonleh who had a hot shooting stretch. Struggling to see what he brings that would keep a coach from playing a big wing or combo forward instead since I don't think he's near the defender or defensive rebounder to be effective as a 5.

And KJ plays hard and should be an ok shooter with some finishing touch, but has neither the skill level, IQ, athleticism or size to have the floor or the upside to have him over Herro.

[clyde21]

PJ is legit...pretty much the prototype modern 4 IMO.

but I have Herro as the better prospect (Herro is in my late lotto).