Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Because he's a scrub that does nothing on the court

He provides a lot more than Bender. I still stand by my statement that we traded the wrong PF.

And we drafted the wrong two.

Keep in mind, Chris was traded largely due to his pizzpoor attitude. A welcomed departure IMO... but I see your point. Both these kids needed a couple more years of seasoning before they made the jump.

Its a mirror of what I think is the main problem associated with the draft. Often these selections are based upon such a small book of accomplishment, with lengthy chapters on potential and athleticism, and short ones on skill and BBIQ. Take Bridges for example. He has made this jump seamlessly compared to Chris, Bender, and even Jackson. He was a 23 yr old senior. If you viewed Bender as a rookie this yr, you would see a lot of promise and likely be positive for what is to come.

Note on that point... This kid Clarke is a junior at 22, a chronological trait that is a plus. Two more years of instruction and growth. Also... I did not realize he went to school in Tempe.

Yeah, he's likely a Suns fan (Clarke). Not that it matters much but a good story if he came here. And a lot of people don't want to add rookies but want to add productive vets. I think Clarke would be more like a Bridges who would be able to make a significant impact immediately just due to his defense and effort. He will have already played in big time games including beating Zion and Duke h2h with 6 blocks in that game, shooting 70% with a 3 and with the upcoming tourney more to come.

[bwgood77]

It all depends on the lottery of course. Without knowing our draft position I can't predict our FA signings. If we land Zion we sign Darren Collison and re-sign Oubre and Holmes. If we draft at 2 we either take Morant or trade for someone like Jrue and sign Millsap.

Not sure how we come up with that cap space. We'd probably have to unload Jackson just to sign Collison (or if he would sign for maybe $7 million or something we could renounce Holmes). In the 2nd scenario we'd have to obviously clear out a ton of salary assuming Millsap isn't cheap.

[SunsLyf3]

Why ? Cause Ibaka rushed him and started the fight ?

I put 100% on Ibaka . He’s a professional and straight choked and swung on Chriss ....

Because he's a scrub that does nothing on the court

He provides a lot more than Bender. I still stand by my statement that we traded the wrong PF.

Chriss is easily the worst NBA player this season. It took 2 seconds for Rox to move on and even the Cavs fans are ready for his departure. The highlight of his season is landing a punch on Ibaka during the scuffle.

[SunsLyf3]

Anyone still like the idea of Klove at PF for a couple seasons? Or would you guys prefer Larry Nance?

[BobbieL]

It all depends on the lottery of course. Without knowing our draft position I can't predict our FA signings. If we land Zion we sign Darren Collison and re-sign Oubre and Holmes. If we draft at 2 we either take Morant or trade for someone like Jrue and sign Millsap.

Not sure how we come up with that cap space. We'd probably have to unload Jackson just to sign Collison (or if he would sign for maybe $7 million or something we could renounce Holmes). In the 2nd scenario we'd have to obviously clear out a ton of salary assuming Millsap isn't cheap.

I don't think Millsap fits the age level that Jones mentioned. In looking at the capulator, keeping Tyler at the 19.4 and the two cap holds for Oubre and Holmes, as many have said, the Suns would have about 6m and that is with the 2nd pick in the draft. So, if the Suns get Zion, that drops to 5m.

To get a PG - the Suns would like you said have to move Jackson or renounce Holmes. I am not sure Collison would take the $7m as he is at $10m this year. So probably Josh or Warren is moved

Unless Zion - if the Suns could move both the 2nd pick and Jackson, that could clear cap space closer to 20m. Probably can get a PG and PF like Kleber, Aminu

[KLEON]

How much money will Brogdon command?

[BobbieL]

How much money will Brogdon command?

just a guess
54/4

[Waylay13]

It all depends on the lottery of course. Without knowing our draft position I can't predict our FA signings. If we land Zion we sign Darren Collison and re-sign Oubre and Holmes. If we draft at 2 we either take Morant or trade for someone like Jrue and sign Millsap.

Not sure how we come up with that cap space. We'd probably have to unload Jackson just to sign Collison (or if he would sign for maybe $7 million or something we could renounce Holmes). In the 2nd scenario we'd have to obviously clear out a ton of salary assuming Millsap isn't cheap.

I don't think Millsap fits the age level that Jones mentioned. In looking at the capulator, keeping Tyler at the 19.4 and the two cap holds for Oubre and Holmes, as many have said, the Suns would have about 6m and that is with the 2nd pick in the draft. So, if the Suns get Zion, that drops to 5m.

To get a PG - the Suns would like you said have to move Jackson or renounce Holmes. I am not sure Collison would take the $7m as he is at $10m this year. So probably Josh or Warren is moved

Unless Zion - if the Suns could move both the 2nd pick and Jackson, that could clear cap space closer to 20m. Probably can get a PG and PF like Kleber, Aminu

You are all so sure that it is going to be Jackson that is going to be gone; I would think it will be Warren. He makes more money, doesn't play the defense that is becoming the Suns calling card and doesnt pass on the move that is one of the sigs of the offense the Suns are running. While he does bring some good 3pt shooting and scoring nothing else is really stand out. He about the same size as Oubre. The future of the Suns is really about Booker and Ayton and getting defenders around them to make this team successful. Jackson, Oubre and Bridges are those defenders.

[WeekapaugGroove]

How much money will Brogdon command?

just a guess
54/4

Yeah that's probably about right. The problem with chasing him or any RFA is you would need to clear the room and then you'd still not get the dude when they match. Just doesn't seem like a good gamble.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Not sure how we come up with that cap space. We'd probably have to unload Jackson just to sign Collison (or if he would sign for maybe $7 million or something we could renounce Holmes). In the 2nd scenario we'd have to obviously clear out a ton of salary assuming Millsap isn't cheap.

I don't think Millsap fits the age level that Jones mentioned. In looking at the capulator, keeping Tyler at the 19.4 and the two cap holds for Oubre and Holmes, as many have said, the Suns would have about 6m and that is with the 2nd pick in the draft. So, if the Suns get Zion, that drops to 5m.

To get a PG - the Suns would like you said have to move Jackson or renounce Holmes. I am not sure Collison would take the $7m as he is at $10m this year. So probably Josh or Warren is moved

Unless Zion - if the Suns could move both the 2nd pick and Jackson, that could clear cap space closer to 20m. Probably can get a PG and PF like Kleber, Aminu

You are all so sure that it is going to be Jackson that is going to be gone; I would think it will be Warren. He makes more money, doesn't play the defense that is becoming the Suns calling card and doesnt pass on the move that is one of the sigs of the offense the Suns are running. While he does bring some good 3pt shooting and scoring nothing else is really stand out. He about the same size as Oubre. The future of the Suns is really about Booker and Ayton and getting defenders around them to make this team successful. Jackson, Oubre and Bridges are those defenders.

Can't it be both?

Personally I'd be willing to move Jackson for cap space regardless of other moves. Warren I'm not advocating giving away but if they can land something decent in a trade I'd probably do it.

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[Revived]

How much money will Brogdon command?

just a guess
54/4

I don’t think there’s any chance that Brogdon and his agent will settle for less money than the older and more injury prone Eric Bledsoe got (and remember Bledsoe signed 4 yr $70M extension).

[Saberestar]

How much money will Brogdon command?

just a guess
54/4

I don’t think there’s any chance that Brogdon and his agent will settle for less money than the older and more injury prone Eric Bledsoe got (and remember Bledsoe signed 4 yr $70M extension).

Yeah, I expect around $80M / 4 years.

[BobbieL]

I don't think Millsap fits the age level that Jones mentioned. In looking at the capulator, keeping Tyler at the 19.4 and the two cap holds for Oubre and Holmes, as many have said, the Suns would have about 6m and that is with the 2nd pick in the draft. So, if the Suns get Zion, that drops to 5m.

To get a PG - the Suns would like you said have to move Jackson or renounce Holmes. I am not sure Collison would take the $7m as he is at $10m this year. So probably Josh or Warren is moved

Unless Zion - if the Suns could move both the 2nd pick and Jackson, that could clear cap space closer to 20m. Probably can get a PG and PF like Kleber, Aminu

You are all so sure that it is going to be Jackson that is going to be gone; I would think it will be Warren. He makes more money, doesn't play the defense that is becoming the Suns calling card and doesnt pass on the move that is one of the sigs of the offense the Suns are running. While he does bring some good 3pt shooting and scoring nothing else is really stand out. He about the same size as Oubre. The future of the Suns is really about Booker and Ayton and getting defenders around them to make this team successful. Jackson, Oubre and Bridges are those defenders.

Can't it be both?

Personally I'd be willing to move Jackson for cap space regardless of other moves. Warren I'm not advocating giving away but if they can land something decent in a trade I'd probably do it.

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Unless the pick is Zion -- I WANT it to be both a player and draft. I don't mind using the 2nd RP for a cheaper option just for the end of the bench but I don't want another 18-20 year old. I saw Kyler's mock draft - I get its Kyler and he had Clarke at like 15 -- but the rest of the mock after Zion was "meh"

If there was a way the Suns could take Johnson and that pick and turn it into veteran player plus 3-5m of cap space - that would be ideal. As with that - the Suns could have based on that 8-11m of cash

As for Warren - I envision him as an Eddie JOhnson Sixth man. No D, No Rebounding, just buckets with players like Bridges or Oubre, Holmes and Tyler Johnson - their defense would cover him.

[BobbieL]

How much money will Brogdon command?

just a guess
54/4

Yeah that's probably about right. The problem with chasing him or any RFA is you would need to clear the room and then you'd still not get the dude when they match. Just doesn't seem like a good gamble.

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Still need to reach out to him but the Suns are in such a precariouis spot - that aside from Oubre, maybe stay away from RFA. They need to improve the roster and it could be "bird in the hand.." - meaning talk to Brogdon but also make sure have other options and if they go first, Brogdon might have to be passed on.

[WeekapaugGroove]

just a guess
54/4

Yeah that's probably about right. The problem with chasing him or any RFA is you would need to clear the room and then you'd still not get the dude when they match. Just doesn't seem like a good gamble.

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Still need to reach out to him but the Suns are in such a precariouis spot - that aside from Oubre, maybe stay away from RFA. They need to improve the roster and it could be "bird in the hand.." - meaning talk to Brogdon but also make sure have other options and if they go first, Brogdon might have to be passed on.

Sure they should reach out. If he did want to come here the next call would be to the bucks to see if they would be open to a sign and trade. Now I expect the bucks simply want to keep him but say you offered Warren as a cheaper replacement and their pick back maybe they bite. Unlikely but that's how you'd go about it.

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[Saberestar]

Anyone still like the idea of Klove at PF for a couple seasons? Or would you guys prefer Larry Nance?

I prefer K Love, but I think his value is gonna be really high yet.

[Blonde]

How much money will Brogdon command?

just a guess
54/4

I think the Bucks match anything under what they paid Bledsoe (17.5m) without hesitation. His value to Phoenix is greater than that though. It would probably take an offer like 80/4 to have a chance at Milwaukee not matching.

[Blonde]

Rough per year estimates for PGs this summer:

Kyrie - Max
Kemba - 30m+
Russell - 25ish/max rookie scale extension
Brogdon - 20m
Rubio - 15m
Collison - 12m
Rozier - 10m
Cory Joseph - 9m
Isaiah Thomas - MLE

[WeekapaugGroove]

Rough per year estimates for PGs this summer:

Kyrie - Max
Kemba - 30m+
Russell - 25ish/max rookie scale extension
Brogdon - 20m
Rubio - 15m
Collison - 12m
Rozier - 10m
Cory Joseph - 9m
Isaiah Thomas - MLE

Seems about right expect Kemba will get a max. Either from Charlotte or when some team like the Knicks have to move to plan B after they miss on plan A.

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[Blonde]

Rough per year estimates for PGs this summer:

Kyrie - Max
Kemba - 30m+
Russell - 25ish/max rookie scale extension
Brogdon - 20m
Rubio - 15m
Collison - 12m
Rozier - 10m
Cory Joseph - 9m
Isaiah Thomas - MLE

Seems about right expect Kemba will get a max. Either from Charlotte or when some team like the Knicks have to move to plan B after they miss on plan A.

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Probably right on Kemba. I forgot to include Beverley. Really not sure who pays him but he deserves a decent raise.