We should move on from JB at the end of the season

[Splitta]

Monk is undersized for a wing in the NBA, and can't play point guard. That's why he dropped to us on draft night. It seems pretty obvious to me that the league is moving towards having long players that can shoot threes and defend, but for some reason we really like picking t-rex armed players with limited potential:

Zeller
Frank
Monk
M. Bridges

or

guys with completely busted shots:

MKG/Biz

Yep. Still remember when we drafted MKG with the 2nd pick and MJ mentioned he would be a "connector" although he could not shoot and later we traded for Batum and he would be a facilitator and we see how that has worked out. Then we drafted CZ with the 4th pick and he has no "0" bb skills except for running/hustling. It really is pretty simple why we are in this mess with these and other poor draft decisions.

Yet the Nets have had no draft picks and they are a team on the rise. People over here saying talent and the Nets are winning with guys off the trash heap and out the D-league.

Problem is their players off the trash heap are much better than our plain old trash. It does not speak well for MJ/Cho/Cliff as they picked our roster for the most part. Fortunately 2 of the 3 are gone.

And what happens when we play a team missing their best players? Do we usually dominate? No, we get beat by some scrub nobody has ever heard of having a career night. Talent is part of the problem, but not the biggest part of the problem.

Just because we have tried two different coaches doesn't mean the common denominator is the players. Maybe we just had two very average coaches. Clifford has lost to the Cavs, Knicks, Bulls, and Griz in the last nine games. JB is on about the same level.

[Snidely FC]

I liked JB early in the season because it seemed like he was willing to play random rotations and seemed to be sprinkling young players in ala Popovich; but then came mid-Dec pressure to win and he cut the rotation and benched the younguns. I didn't like that at all and the results proved dispiriting. Question is, was the contraction a mandate from above? My guess is yes. If we lose Kemba, I say we keep JB because I like his fit with the young guys. If Kemba stays and we keep our veteran profile? I'd replace JB.

[DY_nasty]

our vets are one dimensional at best and our young guys are wildly inconsistent at best (you could also say they all suck)

[stinger14]

I'm interested to see how the season plays out. After last night, it was obvious that the young guys brought a different and better energy to the game. Let them continue to get run, and I will respect him. Sit them back on the bench and play the duds all the minutes, then JB gotta go

[316Hornets]

our vets are one dimensional at best and our young guys are wildly inconsistent at best (you could also say they all suck)

We should be running Monk at 30 minutes a game right now. At this point, we are just giving up on a 2017, #11 pick without even giving him an opportunity.

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[DY_nasty]

our vets are one dimensional at best and our young guys are wildly inconsistent at best (you could also say they all suck)

We should be running Monk at 30 minutes a game right now. At this point, we are just giving up on a 2017, #11 pick without even giving him an opportunity.

monk has played himself out of the rotation. he's had more than enough opportunities this year

can't play defense at all
can only basically only run of the offense off of two sets - otherwise he's driving to the rim and most of the time that doesn't go well
streaky shooter who makes life harder for himself by taking dumb shots, never getting to the line, and generally making himself unplayable unless he starts off hot

like... he's young, i get it - and i want to see him do well because the potential is there. but he's way more of a project than people are willing to admit. Bacon? Bacon is the guy who's been screwed out of opportunities. If Monk didn't have his draft status propping him up, he'd be off the team most likely.

If vonleh can be a whiff, so can monk

[fatlever]

trade monk this offseason for whatever.

[catch20two]

trade monk this offseason for whatever.

His approach to the game is alarming.

[predators]

Monk is undersized for a wing in the NBA, and can't play point guard. That's why he dropped to us on draft night. It seems pretty obvious to me that the league is moving towards having long players that can shoot threes and defend, but for some reason we really like picking t-rex armed players with limited potential:

Zeller
Frank
Monk
M. Bridges

or

guys with completely busted shots:

MKG/Biz

Yep. Still remember when we drafted MKG with the 2nd pick and MJ mentioned he would be a "connector" although he could not shoot and later we traded for Batum and he would be a facilitator and we see how that has worked out. Then we drafted CZ with the 4th pick and he has no "0" bb skills except for running/hustling. It really is pretty simple why we are in this mess with these and other poor draft decisions.

Yet the Nets have had no draft picks and they are a team on the rise. People over here saying talent and the Nets are winning with guys off the trash heap and out the D-league.

And what happens when we play a team missing their best players? Do we usually dominate? No, we get beat by some scrub nobody has ever heard of having a career night. Talent is part of the problem, but not the biggest part of the problem.

Just because we have tried two different coaches doesn't mean the common denominator is the players. Maybe we just had two very average coaches. Clifford has lost to the Cavs, Knicks, Bulls, and Griz in the last nine games. JB is on about the same level.

Deangelo russel was picked #2 overall and has a 6'10" wing span (longer than Bridges at 6'9" ). He's only there because of the drama that went down in LA and they had Brook Lopez to trade. Caris Lavert also has a 6'10" wingspan, Alan Crabbe has a 6 11 wing span. Dinwiddie's is 6'8.5. Those are all long to average for their position players than can shoot 3's above .350. (Except Lavert who's at .283.) Their roster is pretty well built on budget for today's nba. Their low ceiling player, Joe Harris is shooting over .400 from downtown. They have zero dead weight contracts on that roster. Demare Carrol \ Crabbe are better players than Marvin Williams \ Cody zeller who make similar money. This team just doesn't fit the direction of the nba. This team has no way of coasting to wins, the parts just don't fit together. If we could trade some sort of combo marv, mkg ,kaminsky, bridges, and monk for Crabbe, dinwiddie, harris, carrol, and Lavert, the hornets would be pretty nasty.

[JDuaneWayne]

I don't understand moving on from the coach... He is playing with a group of misfits. Clifford prioritized transition defense and defensive rebounding, neither of which are on anyone's must have list of team characteristics in today's NBA (perhaps transition defense but it's much different than in the past (i.e. secondary break)

I mean people may be mad he isn't playing Monk, but he was brought here to try to make the playoffs and you can bet he hasn't been told to call off the dogs yet. I just don't think he's going to get it on this team. Pretty sure we trade him this off-season.

The only move that has been made while he has been coach has been drafting Bridges (verdict is still out and most likely not his call) and signing Mack (terrible, but we needed a backup PG on the nights TP doesn't play)

He likely won't be making any moves to bring in "his" players this year either, so I'd almost give him a pass on next year as well unless we only win 20-25 games.

[Diop]

he's starting Bacon over Batum, that alone gives him another year in my eyes

[Najee12]

Yet the Nets have had no draft picks and they are a team on the rise. People over here saying talent and the Nets are winning with guys off the trash heap and out the D-league.

And what happens when we play a team missing their best players? Do we usually dominate? No, we get beat by some scrub nobody has ever heard of having a career night. Talent is part of the problem, but not the biggest part of the problem.

Just because we have tried two different coaches doesn't mean the common denominator is the players. Maybe we just had two very average coaches. Clifford has lost to the Cavs, Knicks, Bulls, and Griz in the last nine games. JB is on about the same level.

As Predators mentioned, D'Angelo Russell was the No. 2 pick in the 2015 draft who ended up in Brooklyn because the Lakers added him in the move to get Timofey Mozgov's contract off the books. Russell is a player who went pro too early and had a two-year learning curve to get acclimated. Caris LeVert was a potential lottery pick in 2016 who had leg injuries in college, which impacted his draft position. Spencer Dinwiddle had a similar situation in college like LeVert, where injuries impacted his draft stock.

The Nets have a roster of players 6-foot-5 and taller who can play more than one position and can shoot/score the ball. Russell is 6-foot-5 and can play both guard positions. LeVert and Joe Harris can play small forward and shooting guard. Dinwiddle is a tall (6-6) point guard who can play off the ball. DeMarre Carroll and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson are dirty-work small forwards who can play power forward in a near-positionless lineup.

The Nets resemble a modern-day NBA franchise - versatile players who can play together in a variety of matchups and can switch on defense. Shabazz Napier is the only player on the roster under 6-foot-5 but the Nets have only two players taller than 6-9 (Jarrett Allen and Ed Davis). The Nets can throw out various combinations around Russell, LeVert and Dinwiddle and have size, length and scoring ability to be effective on offense and disruptive on defense.

In contrast, the Hornets are built like a 1980s college team with a bunch of players ill-suited for today's game. The Hornets have a small forward who can't shoot but is too undersized to convert into a power forward (Michael Kidd-Gilchrist); a center who has no semblance of an NBA offensive or defensive game (Cody Zeller); a shooting guard in a point guard's body (Malik Monk), etc. Unlike the Nets, most of the Hornets cannot play another position and are limited at the one position they can play. The Hornets' lack of versatility hurts the team in creating different lineups, not to mention the Hornets lack scoring punch beyond Kemba Walker.

[DY_nasty]

for the record, i don't think monk is trash or anything he's just way more of a project right now than anyone anticipated. he was supposed to be instant offense but in order for that to be more of a streak thing he's gotta build a ton of muscle. he controls no area of the court now.

if we're tanking, keep him. if not? you can't turn down trades for established guys to keep him around until his next contract when he hits his stride.