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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#441 » by prime1time » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:14 am

doclinkin wrote:Likely a moot point based on lotto odds, but somebody sell me on RJ Barrett. I'm not saying 'No', I'm just curious why he's a consensus top 3 pick in this draft.

He rebounds big for a SF. He's a willing passer (but he better be with that talent around him). He's young. Good size, athleticism.
Weighed against: He's a streaky shooter. Not a great 3fg shooter. Subpar FT shooter from the wing spot. Decent defender but not lockdown. His dribble drive is predictable, a lot of speed and power but not a lot of shifty in his game. And that is not the skill teams need most in a wing nowadays.

To me I wonder if we do get better value out of a trade out of that spot. You take Zion no question. Ja Morant has shown me what he can do in the bigs. He has an immediate role as a Wallstar understudy. His passing is better and his assist numbers will improve even, given better finishers around him. He doesn't have the accelration of a Fox/Wall, but he has the thing that is better: he sees the gamebetter. He has touch on his passes and change of speed that Walll didnt learn until 4 years in. We will see how he does in conference competition of the NCAAs if they make it. But his situational smarts are evident.

But outside of those two, the players I am greedy for should be available later on. I don't quite see Barrett as the no-question top 3 best value prospect in this year. I feel like, even squinting into the future, there will be a player later on who will be better quicker. So why not try to get a few chances, this year if there's a deal, or future picks if not. We have so many needs, and with such a broad field of talent maybe it makes sense to trade the slot to a team that will covet that potential, since everyone else projects him as top 3 value. I'd love to get multiple players on cheap contracts. Get a utility guy who fills a role for us as well as an upside pick later on.

I want Hunter. He fills a need. Fits well with who we have. Not an upside player, and his version of 'best player available' means: instant utility. He makes this team better.

I want Bruno Fernando. He fills a role as a defensive big, a highly proficient rebounder, and also has intriguingly developing skill that is catching up to his talent. He has one-hand-catch ability. Big soft hands. Like other former soccer playing bigs he has good footwork for his size, understands angles on defense, and unselfish play on offense. He will make the touch pass out of traffic. And has savage reaction speed on putbacks and dunks rolling down the lane. His athleticism and motor suggests he will adjust to NBA pick and roll defense even if right now he plays upright, and I can see him setting hellacious picks if he gets a big man tutor. There's something nastygood here with the right team and environment, I got a feeling. I've got the sense that he will become that keystone interior defender on a winning team. The guy who can call out reads and switches and make his team better, the way bigs are supposed to since they're the ones who can see the whole floor from underneath.

I like Clarke. He lets us play our under-rebounding bigs like Bryant or Portis (if we keep him cheap), and his lack of a developed outside shot will be less critical when they float out to play as en vogue face-up Bigs. His motor will make even boring nights interesting and will fire up both his teammates and the crowd. I like seeing his development in school, it bodes well for his future in the league.

A guy like Bol Bol intrigues me. Aside from foot injury fears he is the player with the 2nd most mindblowing physical talent in this draft. An anomaly, that level of developed skill fused with that length. If he can stay healthy he will be a puzzle for teams to solve. A lifer in this game, he plays like it is his birthright.

If we were lucky enough to bounce into the top 4 and Barrett was sitting there (I suspect the combine may displace him at that #2 consensus, if his tourney is decent but not world shaking) then to me I'd rather catch two of the above. Or one and a fistful of future picks from the right team.

I dunno. But if I could get Bruno and Hunter I'd feel good about the future with this squad.

I think getting Bruno and Hunter in the same draft is unrealistic. Those guys will both be mid lottery so I'm not really seeing how we'd get those picks. What's the selling point on Barrett? He's an 18 year old who embraces being "the guy." Compared to other wing players - Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard - he's light years ahead of them at the same age. Does his game have flaws? Yes. But the test for his career will be his love and passion for the game and how hard he's willing to work.


If we get the third pick I think we take RJ and don't look back. Compare RJ to freshman Beal. Look at how Beal's game has evolved. RJ has all the building blocks. He can attack off the dribble, he can create for others and he has confidence, maybe too much, in his shot. Lastly, he's creating his career around being the Man. His goal is to be the Man. I respect that. Players respond to their failures. They go into the gym and work at their game and improve. I'm more impressed by an aggressive young player, who's willing to be the man and fail, than an efficient college player who has great efficiency but would never get the ball in clutch situations. With all that said, I have no problem with any of the guys you mentioned. But when I see an 18 year old who's willing to step and take big shots in clutch moments and deal with that failure, I'm impressed.
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Post#442 » by NatP4 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:03 pm

I’m still set on Deandre Hunter and Brandon Clarke. Either way, trading for 14+19 or 21 from Boston is the way to go. We need multiple players on rookie deals. No no no no do NOT re sign Portis or Parker. Empty number guys. We need quality two way players. Defense is our issue. We have 2 good defenders on the team, Sato and Brown Jr, sometimes Beal also. Sign Dekker, good team guy, solid role player. Buy into round 2, pick someone else. Last draft I mentioned Rodions Kurucs repeatdely, quality nba player. Sign Thomas Bryant

Please read this Ernie:

BRANDON CLARKE IS BUILT TO BE THAT PROTOTYPICAL SMALL BALL RIM PROTECTING 5 IN THE NEW NBA.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#443 » by Dat2U » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:29 pm

NatP4 wrote:I’m still set on Deandre Hunter and Brandon Clarke. Either way, trading for 14+19 or 21 from Boston is the way to go. We need multiple players on rookie deals. No no no no do NOT re sign Portis or Parker. Empty number guys. We need quality two way players. Defense is our issue. We have 2 good defenders on the team, Sato and Brown Jr, sometimes Beal also. Sign Dekker, good team guy, solid role player. Buy into round 2, pick someone else. Last draft I mentioned Rodions Kurucs repeatdely, quality nba player. Sign Thomas Bryant

Please read this Ernie:

BRANDON CLARKE IS BUILT TO BE THAT PROTOTYPICAL SMALL BALL RIM PROTECTING 5 IN THE NEW NBA.


Maybe Clarke is there at 14, but there's no way Hunter is there. I will be very surprised if Hunter is not a top 10 pick.
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Post#444 » by NatP4 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:37 pm

Maybe I’m looking at the wrong mocks. I keep seeing hunter in the late lottery range
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#445 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:38 am

NatP4 wrote:Maybe I’m looking at the wrong mocks. I keep seeing hunter in the late lottery range

Some of the mocks - like NBAdraft.net are ridiculously behind or just wrong. We have some posters in the mock draft forum viewforum.php?f=38 that do a much better job. Hunter's definitely top 10. I actually have him at 4 right now.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#446 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:59 pm

NatP4 wrote:Maybe I’m looking at the wrong mocks. I keep seeing hunter in the late lottery range


Here's a couple more mock drafts. Most show Hunter going pretty high, in the 4-8 range, but the opinions on Clarke vary wildly:

NBA Draft Room

Tankathon

Gary Parish at CBSSports

SB Nation

It wouldn't surprise me if Hunter drops a bit after the combine when scouts start falling in love with the elite run-jump athletes.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#447 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:17 pm

I think Hunter's every bit the athlete that Jayson Tatum is and Otto Porter - both former 3rd picks in the draft. Here's a video of his highlights against Duke. Watch 1:12 - 1:25 for his leaping ability.
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Post#448 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:34 pm

Gotta target guys like Dekker and McRae and Devin Robinson to sign to multi-year cheap deals rather than 1 and done deals. Being stuck with Wall's contract means we have to keep these low salary types if we're going to be able to do anything. The common perception is that these guys grow on trees, but they really don't. All 3 are familiar with the system in Washington. Don't just develop them for other teams. Give them all 3 year guaranteed deals.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#449 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:44 pm

Ruzious wrote:Gotta target guys like Dekker and McRae and Devin Robinson to sign to multi-year cheap deals rather than 1 and done deals. Being stuck with Wall's contract means we have to keep these low salary types if we're going to be able to do anything. The common perception is that these guys grow on trees, but they really don't. All 3 are familiar with the system in Washington. Don't just develop them for other teams. Give them all 3 year guaranteed deals.

I'd for sure try and lock up Dekker to a cheap, multi-year deal.

I'm not convinced about McRae or Robinson. Those guys are old and are unlikely to improve that much going forward. There will always be G-League types available who can give us that production and at least the hope to find a diamond in the rough. After all, if we had tried to lock up a guy like Daniel Ochefu in years past, we might not have had the roster spot available for Thomas Bryant.

I think an interesting decision is what to do about Chasson Randle. The guy has now logged over 500 minutes and has demonstrated that he is a capable 5th guard with one bona fide NBA skill: being a deadeye 3P shooter. I don't think he'll ever be much more than that, but he is a guy you can actually use in certain situations. Having him sitting on the bench as a 13th man might actually help win games. Do you keep him and sign him to a 2-year deal at the vet minimum, or do you let him walk and assume you can find another guy with better upside?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#450 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:09 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Gotta target guys like Dekker and McRae and Devin Robinson to sign to multi-year cheap deals rather than 1 and done deals. Being stuck with Wall's contract means we have to keep these low salary types if we're going to be able to do anything. The common perception is that these guys grow on trees, but they really don't. All 3 are familiar with the system in Washington. Don't just develop them for other teams. Give them all 3 year guaranteed deals.

I'd for sure try and lock up Dekker to a cheap, multi-year deal.

I'm not convinced about McRae or Robinson. Those guys are old and are unlikely to improve that much going forward. There will always be G-League types available who can give us that production and at least the hope to find a diamond in the rough. After all, if we had tried to lock up a guy like Daniel Ochefu in years past, we might not have had the roster spot available for Thomas Bryant.

I think an interesting decision is what to do about Chasson Randle. The guy has now logged over 500 minutes and has demonstrated that he is a capable 5th guard with one bona fide NBA skill: being a deadeye 3P shooter. I don't think he'll ever be much more than that, but he is a guy you can actually use in certain situations. Having him sitting on the bench as a 13th man might actually help win games. Do you keep him and sign him to a 2-year deal at the vet minimum, or do you let him walk and assume you can find another guy with better upside?

Ug, I just wrote a response that got eaten up - oh, well. To sum up, McRae has already put up stats in 2 NBA seasons that show he's an NBA player and watching him - it's clear to me that he's an NBA player - and actually a good one. He missed a season due to injury. I'm not talking about these guys as starters but as cheap quality reserves - which we will otherwise have none on the roster when the season ends. Guys like him do NOT grow on G League trees. And Ochefu does not belong in the discussion. Watching him, it was clear he was not an NBA player. Randle I would rate his NBA value below the other 3. I think he's proven himself as a 12th - 14th man on an NBA roster, but he's very limited. Teams haven't guarded him, and he's burned them - to his credit.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#451 » by NatP4 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:12 pm

Devin Robinson should be playing for the wizards. He’s a career >.600 TS% guy in the G league, averaging 20&9 per 36. The advanced numbers all look good. He currently has a 5.9 net rating.

He belongs in the NBA. He’s only 24. All of Brown Jr, Devin Robinson, Thomas Bryant, and Sam Dekker should play big minutes next season in my opinion. As well as whoever we draft with our 1st.
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Post#452 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:22 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Gotta target guys like Dekker and McRae and Devin Robinson to sign to multi-year cheap deals rather than 1 and done deals. Being stuck with Wall's contract means we have to keep these low salary types if we're going to be able to do anything. The common perception is that these guys grow on trees, but they really don't. All 3 are familiar with the system in Washington. Don't just develop them for other teams. Give them all 3 year guaranteed deals.

I'd for sure try and lock up Dekker to a cheap, multi-year deal.

I'm not convinced about McRae or Robinson. Those guys are old and are unlikely to improve that much going forward. There will always be G-League types available who can give us that production and at least the hope to find a diamond in the rough. After all, if we had tried to lock up a guy like Daniel Ochefu in years past, we might not have had the roster spot available for Thomas Bryant.

I think an interesting decision is what to do about Chasson Randle. The guy has now logged over 500 minutes and has demonstrated that he is a capable 5th guard with one bona fide NBA skill: being a deadeye 3P shooter. I don't think he'll ever be much more than that, but he is a guy you can actually use in certain situations. Having him sitting on the bench as a 13th man might actually help win games. Do you keep him and sign him to a 2-year deal at the vet minimum, or do you let him walk and assume you can find another guy with better upside?

Ug, I just wrote a response that got eaten up - oh, well. To sum up, McRae has already put up stats in 2 NBA seasons that show he's an NBA player and watching him - it's clear to me that he's an NBA player - and actually a good one. He missed a season due to injury. I'm not talking about these guys as starters but as cheap quality reserves - which we will otherwise have none on the roster when the season ends. Guys like him do NOT grow on G League trees. And Ochefu does not belong in the discussion. Watching him, it was clear he was not an NBA player. Randle I would rate his NBA value below the other 3. I think he's proven himself as a 12th - 14th man on an NBA roster, but he's very limited. Teams haven't guarded him, and he's burned them - to his credit.

Another consideration regarding McRae: vets with 0 years experience are a lot cheaper than vets with 1 or more years of experience.

As best as I can tell, if we signed McRae to a 2-year deal, as a 2-year vet, he would cost $1.51M and $1.58M in the next two years respectively - and those would also be his cap charges and his luxtax charges. A G-Leaguer walk-on on a 1-year deal would only cost $838K.
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Post#453 » by DCZards » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:11 pm

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Another consideration regarding McRae: vets with 0 years experience are a lot cheaper than vets with 1 or more years of experience.

As best as I can tell, if we signed McRae to a 2-year deal, as a 2-year vet, he would cost $1.51M and $1.58M in the next two years respectively - and those would also be his cap charges and his luxtax charges. A G-Leaguer walk-on on a 1-year deal would only cost $838K.


I think McRae is worth the extra dough. He's shown that he can score at any level (G-League, NBA) and with the Zards shaky forward situation next season McRae would be a nice piece to have around to provide instant offense off the bench.

Agree with the re-signing of Dekker. Guy has length, athleticism, a high bball IQ and plays with energy. I'm not impressed by Dekker's overall bball skill level but I'd want him on the roster (for the right price) given what he does bring.

I'm curious to see what the Zards have in Devin Robinson. I agree with Ruz when he says if you're going to develop guys you need to see what they can do in real NBA games before sending them off to possibly excel with another team. I don't expect it to cost too much to re-sign Robinson...and, while he's 24, I still consider him young.

I'd also want and expect the Zards to try to resign Parker. His #s the last 6-7 games have been off the charts. Yes, his defense is mediocre and he needs to improve his sloppy ball handling and cut down on the turnovers, but Jabari is showing that his offense is the real deal.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#454 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:47 pm

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Another consideration regarding McRae: vets with 0 years experience are a lot cheaper than vets with 1 or more years of experience.

As best as I can tell, if we signed McRae to a 2-year deal, as a 2-year vet, he would cost $1.51M and $1.58M in the next two years respectively - and those would also be his cap charges and his luxtax charges. A G-Leaguer walk-on on a 1-year deal would only cost $838K.


I think McRae is worth the extra dough. He's shown that he can score at any level (G-League, NBA) and with the Zards shaky forward situation next season McRae would be a nice piece to have around to provide instant offense off the bench.

Agree with the re-signing of Dekker. Guy has length, athleticism, a high bball IQ and plays with energy. I'm not impressed by Dekker's overall bball skill level but I'd want him on the roster (for the right price) given what he does bring.

I'm curious to see what the Zards have in Devin Robinson. I agree with Ruz when he says if you're going to develop guys you need to see what they can do in real NBA games before sending them off to possibly excel with another team. I don't expect it to cost too much to re-sign Robinson...and, while he's 24, I still consider him young.

I'd also want and expect the Zards to try to resign Parker. His #s the last 6-7 games have been off the charts. Yes, his defense is mediocre and he needs to improve his sloppy ball handling and cut down on the turnovers, but Jabari is showing that his offense is the real deal.

I'm not against having McRae back. I'm just saying it's not a priority; and I don't think it's necessary to sign him to anything more than a 1-year deal.

Depending on what happens in the draft and free agency, we may indeed have a shortage of wings and it may make good sense to sign McRae. But if we draft a wing like Hunter, Langford or Culver, and we retain Sato, Ariza and Dekker, (and we will also have Brown, of course) then I'm not feeling any compulsion to retain McRae. I'd rather take my chances with a young guy who didn't get drafted but looked good in summer league.
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Post#455 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:23 pm

NatP4 wrote:Devin Robinson should be playing for the wizards. He’s a career >.600 TS% guy in the G league, averaging 20&9 per 36. The advanced numbers all look good. He currently has a 5.9 net rating.

He belongs in the NBA. He’s only 24. All of Brown Jr, Devin Robinson, Thomas Bryant, and Sam Dekker should play big minutes next season in my opinion. As well as whoever we draft with our 1st.

Devin Robinson has some behavioral concerns.

Reportedly he got into a physical altercation during one of his Go-Go games (apparently he went after a ref and/or opposing player) and ever since then he's been inactive .

Idk the full story but hopefully it doesn't turn into a Glen Rice Jr cautionary tale. If Devin can't keep his head on straight he will soon be out of the league.
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Post#456 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:36 pm

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NatP4 wrote:Devin Robinson should be playing for the wizards. He’s a career >.600 TS% guy in the G league, averaging 20&9 per 36. The advanced numbers all look good. He currently has a 5.9 net rating.

He belongs in the NBA. He’s only 24. All of Brown Jr, Devin Robinson, Thomas Bryant, and Sam Dekker should play big minutes next season in my opinion. As well as whoever we draft with our 1st.

Devin Robinson has some behavioral concerns.

Reportedly he got into a physical altercation during one of his Go-Go games (apparently he went after a ref and/or opposing player) and ever since then he's been inactive .

Idk the full story but hopefully it doesn't turn into a Glen Rice Jr cautionary tale. If Devin can't keep his head on straight he will soon be out of the league.

https://gleague.nba.com/news/long-island-nets-kamari-murphy-and-capital-city-go-gos-devin-robinson-suspended/
Can't blame him for that one. The other guy decked him out of the blue. Not sure how they got the same punishment. If you don't react to that with a punch, you're labelled soft.

Was there something else you were referring to? If not, that's nothing. Glen Rice Jr had a multitude of issues going back to college where he was kicked off the team.
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Post#457 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:50 pm

Neither in his college career nor at any point prior to the story mentioned above have I ever heard anything about "behavioral concerns" in re: Devin Robinson.

In truth, starting right now, Devin Robinson, Jordan McRae, Sam Dekker, Chasson Randle & Thomas Bryant should all be playing 20+ minutes a game -- night in & night out for the rest of the season. We are out of the playoffs. We are *not* a good team. We have exactly 4 guys under contract for next year. Those 4 guys are sufficiently expensive that we will be maneuvering with a lot of effort to field a competitive team & stay under the luxury tax. We need to find out what we've got & how much we should be thinking about paying for what we've got.

Robinson, McRae & Randle in particular are question marks.

People seem to forget that Jordan McRae is 28 years old; he's not a young player trying to make it in the league. He's a 2 not a 3, if that makes a difference. McRae played 384 minutes for Cleveland 2 years ago, & he was not good at all. For us this year -- despite the positive outings a few of us seem to remember over everything else -- he was basically average overall, which after all is pretty good for a guy who would cost $1.5m. But there is no way that 174 minutes for us justifies putting his name in in ink for that kind of $$$. Play him! Let's see whether he maintains that level... or what he does.

Devin Robinson has played a total of 46 minutes for us in 2 years. Not that it means anything, but he has absolutely killed it in those 46 minutes! It is utterly stupid, & typical for how badly this franchise is run, that we don't have an interest in finding out what we have in this guy. Unlike McRae, Robinson is still quite young -- he turned 24 a week ago today. There are rookies in the league who are older than him (I think...).

Chasson Randle is older than Brad Beal & will never be anything but a low-level journeyman combo guard. But, he is cheap, so he is worthy of consideration for next year. In truth, it would make more sense to try to find someone with an upside to fill his role, but he too should be getting 20+ minutes every game.
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Post#458 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:24 pm

Not sure why you say people have forgotten McRae's age - he'll turn 28 later this month - or what position he plays - that would likely require dimentia. He's also been the best player in the G League this season. And I've actually watched him play enough to feel very comfortable saying he's a quality NBA backup well worth the veteran minimum and should be signed for multiple years. Wiz need to protect their top asset - Beal - with a competent backup 2, and we have 1 real cheap if we sign him. These kind of signings help make it easier to keep players like Sato (also 27 - heaven forbid) and Bryant - as well as make other significant moves.
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Post#459 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:50 pm

Ruz --- my main point about that, which I didn't convey well, is that we aren't going to be good next year; how could we possibly be? Short of some kind of miracle? So our focus should be on rebuilding.

In that case, I'd say our first priority is the need to find & develop young players -- that's how I'd like to be using the end of the bench.

As to Jordan McRae, fair enough, what difference does his age make for the next year or so? &, obviously, not everyone on the roster can be a young prospect! Still, to me at least, that's where the emphasis ought to be.

But, whatever, we should still have McRae with the team for as long as possible under the terms of his 2-way deal, & he should play a ton.
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Post#460 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:53 pm

payitforward wrote:Ruz --- my main point about that, which I didn't convey well, is that we aren't going to be good next year; how could we possibly be? Short of some kind of miracle? So our focus should be on rebuilding.

The team has played .500 ball since Wall went down (32 game sample size) and .500 ball since the Porter trade (14 game sample size).

It should be pretty easy to bring back roughly the same team next year. Certainly they could resign Sato, Bryant, Parker and Dekker while leaving about $10M to bring back one or two of Ariza, Green and Portis (or a free agent who can provide similar production). They'll be adding a high first round pick. And Parker, Dekker and Bryant are likely to be better next year than this year.

I can see the team being a respectable .500 ball club next year. And there's a not-insignificant chance that Parker makes a leap. If he does, they could be considerably better than .500. Heck, take the Parker we've seen so far as a Wizard but drop his turnovers from 4.2/36min to 3.0/36min and he might get All Star consideration.

On the other hand, Beal could get hurt and they would probably lose 60 games.

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