Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[Ghost of Kleine]

Sure they definitely could jump on a deal like that if they go full rebuild. Really hard to predict what they will do until they hire a new GM and probably trade Davis first. While it's a possibility they move Holliday at the draft Id say it's probably more likely they move him at next year's deadline. If they get back some real NBA players in the Davis deal I could see them keep holiday and try to be competitive next year. It's key that they have two years left of team control so it's really no rush to move him.

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If the report above on the Pelicans being unwilling to deal Davis to L.A. at any time, Then I'd have to believe that means Boston is the front runner.


And IF they're truly willing to make all players other than Irving available (Tatum), then I believe that they'd keep Jrue and rebuild around Jrue/ Tatum/ Jaylen Brown and picks.

So i don't see a realistic scenario in which we move our pick to New Orleans.

Interesting question is would you be willing to trade R.J. Barrett to Toronto for Pascal Siakim IF they offered???And how far would you be willing to go, in terms of adding value IF they asked for a sweetener???

I would, but I don't see why they would. Even if Toronto blows it up, Siakam is still a premier player on a rookie contract who they hold the rights to for a long time. That's not a player I'd trade for a possible nice player.

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

[WeekapaugGroove]

If the report above on the Pelicans being unwilling to deal Davis to L.A. at any time, Then I'd have to believe that means Boston is the front runner.


And IF they're truly willing to make all players other than Irving available (Tatum), then I believe that they'd keep Jrue and rebuild around Jrue/ Tatum/ Jaylen Brown and picks.

So i don't see a realistic scenario in which we move our pick to New Orleans.

Interesting question is would you be willing to trade R.J. Barrett to Toronto for Pascal Siakim IF they offered???And how far would you be willing to go, in terms of adding value IF they asked for a sweetener???

I would, but I don't see why they would. Even if Toronto blows it up, Siakam is still a premier player on a rookie contract who they hold the rights to for a long time. That's not a player I'd trade for a possible nice player.

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

If the report above on the Pelicans being unwilling to deal Davis to L.A. at any time, Then I'd have to believe that means Boston is the front runner.


And IF they're truly willing to make all players other than Irving available (Tatum), then I believe that they'd keep Jrue and rebuild around Jrue/ Tatum/ Jaylen Brown and picks.

So i don't see a realistic scenario in which we move our pick to New Orleans.

Interesting question is would you be willing to trade R.J. Barrett to Toronto for Pascal Siakim IF they offered???And how far would you be willing to go, in terms of adding value IF they asked for a sweetener???

I would, but I don't see why they would. Even if Toronto blows it up, Siakam is still a premier player on a rookie contract who they hold the rights to for a long time. That's not a player I'd trade for a possible nice player.

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

I think NBA GM's would even range widely on Pascal's value. He's a really really good player but I'm also not sure he can be a focal point of your team, and he's came out older so might not have a ton more growth and a smaller prime window. He's a little like Marion in a way where when with good players around him I thought he was the second most important player on the SSOL teams over amare but if amare wasn't around I'm not sure Marion looks as good (hope this makes sense lol).

So while I assume Toronto would want to keep him even if they rebuild it's not completely out of the question they would sell high and try to get a dude who can be THE guy in the next era for them.

I'd trade 2 for him in a heartbeat because he's such a good fit for this current suns team.



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[BobbieL]

I would, but I don't see why they would. Even if Toronto blows it up, Siakam is still a premier player on a rookie contract who they hold the rights to for a long time. That's not a player I'd trade for a possible nice player.

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

I would, but I don't see why they would. Even if Toronto blows it up, Siakam is still a premier player on a rookie contract who they hold the rights to for a long time. That's not a player I'd trade for a possible nice player.

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

I think NBA GM's would even range widely on Pascal's value. He's a really really good player but I'm also not sure he can be a focal point of your team, and he's came out older so might not have a ton more growth and a smaller prime window. He's a little like Marion in a way where when with good players around him I thought he was the second most important player on the SSOL teams over amare but if amare wasn't around I'm not sure Marion looks as good (hope this makes sense lol).

So while I assume Toronto would want to keep him even if they rebuild it's not completely out of the question they would sell high and try to get a dude who can be THE guy in the next era for them.

I'd trade 2 for him in a heartbeat because he's such a good fit for this current suns team.



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What about if the Raptors blow it up because Kawhi is leaving this trade:

Lowry and Siakam for Suns #2 (Barrett) , Jackson, Tyler, Okobo and maybe the Bucks pick.

Suns would still have Oubre and Holmes and about 6m in cap space

[Frank Lee]

Man.... you guys really place too much value on our platter of poopoo. Guys like Siakam are the pots of gold in drafts.

He has already shown he is a valid NBA player, and an effective one. How many soon to be rooks can guarantee that label?

[BobbieL]

Man.... you guys really place too much value on our platter of poopoo. Guys like Siakam are the pots of gold in drafts.

He has already shown he is a valid NBA player, and an effective one. How many soon to be rooks can guarantee that label?

I get that - which is why I don't want the Suns to keepthe pick if its not Zion. The way the team is coming together - I think they need a more experienced player to add to the mix. I am okay keeping Tyler Johnson, bringing back Oubre and on the surface might even be willing to trade the non Zion top pick which looks on paper to be an under-sell but fits how the team is moving forward - sadly just do not know the player that would be.

But the Suns are putting together a decent core - I think: Booker, Ayton, Oubre, Bridges, Tyler J, even Holmes (at the right $$) - so how can they turn the 2019 picks, the Bucks pick, and from the following names: Jackson, Okobo, maybe Warren, maybe Melton - for the right PF and PG. I truly think Tylers best role is off the bench, combo guard.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

I think NBA GM's would even range widely on Pascal's value. He's a really really good player but I'm also not sure he can be a focal point of your team, and he's came out older so might not have a ton more growth and a smaller prime window. He's a little like Marion in a way where when with good players around him I thought he was the second most important player on the SSOL teams over amare but if amare wasn't around I'm not sure Marion looks as good (hope this makes sense lol).

So while I assume Toronto would want to keep him even if they rebuild it's not completely out of the question they would sell high and try to get a dude who can be THE guy in the next era for them.

I'd trade 2 for him in a heartbeat because he's such a good fit for this current suns team.



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What about if the Raptors blow it up because Kawhi is leaving this trade:

Lowry and Siakam for Suns #2 (Barrett) , Jackson, Tyler, Okobo and maybe the Bucks pick.

Suns would still have Oubre and Holmes and about 6m in cap space

Oh yeah I was a few glasses of wine deep when I posted so probably wasn't clear but the ONLY way the Rap would consider moving Siakam would be if Kawhi leaves and they go full on rebuild mode. Even if they do this they will probably just keep him and part of that rebuild and just move guys like Lowery, Ibaka, and Gasol if he opts in.

But what I was trying to get at was that it's not completely impossible they would sell high on Siakam and deal him for the 2nd pick in the draft if they were high on Barrett or Ja. In that case their line of thinking would be that while he's a very very good player he might not be the type of player that can be the best or second best player on a contender and finding a guys like that is really hard so if you get a chance to get a pick that high you might have to jump on it.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Zach Collins... I really don't know what to make of his situation in Portland. I always hear they like him a lot but he's basically fallen out of the rotation in Portland. He hasn't done much in the pros but I've always liked game and think he could probably play PF next to Ayton. Maybe it's as simple as Portland plans to let Aminu and kanter walk next year and he gets real minutes but if they were willing to listen I'd make a trade call on him.

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[bigfoot]

Man.... you guys really place too much value on our platter of poopoo. Guys like Siakam are the pots of gold in drafts.

He has already shown he is a valid NBA player, and an effective one. How many soon to be rooks can guarantee that label?

I get that - which is why I don't want the Suns to keepthe pick if its not Zion. The way the team is coming together - I think they need a more experienced player to add to the mix. I am okay keeping Tyler Johnson, bringing back Oubre and on the surface might even be willing to trade the non Zion top pick which looks on paper to be an under-sell but fits how the team is moving forward - sadly just do not know the player that would be.

But the Suns are putting together a decent core - I think: Booker, Ayton, Oubre, Bridges, Tyler J, even Holmes (at the right $$) - so how can they turn the 2019 picks, the Bucks pick, and from the following names: Jackson, Okobo, maybe Warren, maybe Melton - for the right PF and PG. I truly think Tylers best role is off the bench, combo guard.

You just add more to the pot of outgoing assets to get what we need. That means draft picks for 2021, 2023, and more should be on the table if needed. We had McD who overvalued high draft picks and ended up with Bender, Chriss, Len, and Jackson as serious flops. We need to be unafraid to give up these picks to get quality veterans now.

[BobbieL]

Man.... you guys really place too much value on our platter of poopoo. Guys like Siakam are the pots of gold in drafts.

He has already shown he is a valid NBA player, and an effective one. How many soon to be rooks can guarantee that label?

I get that - which is why I don't want the Suns to keepthe pick if its not Zion. The way the team is coming together - I think they need a more experienced player to add to the mix. I am okay keeping Tyler Johnson, bringing back Oubre and on the surface might even be willing to trade the non Zion top pick which looks on paper to be an under-sell but fits how the team is moving forward - sadly just do not know the player that would be.

But the Suns are putting together a decent core - I think: Booker, Ayton, Oubre, Bridges, Tyler J, even Holmes (at the right $$) - so how can they turn the 2019 picks, the Bucks pick, and from the following names: Jackson, Okobo, maybe Warren, maybe Melton - for the right PF and PG. I truly think Tylers best role is off the bench, combo guard.

You just add more to the pot of outgoing assets to get what we need. That means draft picks for 2021, 2023, and more should be on the table if needed. We had McD who overvalued high draft picks and ended up with Bender, Chriss, Len, and Jackson as serious flops. We need to be unafraid to give up these picks to get quality veterans now.

for the right LONG term player who is under contract for 4 to 5 years - I would be more willing to put those picks in play. The Suns may not have to do that but again, for the right player, would be amenable

[Ghost of Kleine]

I would, but I don't see why they would. Even if Toronto blows it up, Siakam is still a premier player on a rookie contract who they hold the rights to for a long time. That's not a player I'd trade for a possible nice player.

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

I would, but I don't see why they would. Even if Toronto blows it up, Siakam is still a premier player on a rookie contract who they hold the rights to for a long time. That's not a player I'd trade for a possible nice player.

I understand your position on this, And you're most likely right anyways. I just posed the question due to him being a high talent prospect, and Canadian favorite. But was curious as to the value comparison?

I think NBA GM's would even range widely on Pascal's value. He's a really really good player but I'm also not sure he can be a focal point of your team, and he's came out older so might not have a ton more growth and a smaller prime window. He's a little like Marion in a way where when with good players around him I thought he was the second most important player on the SSOL teams over amare but if amare wasn't around I'm not sure Marion looks as good (hope this makes sense lol).

So while I assume Toronto would want to keep him even if they rebuild it's not completely out of the question they would sell high and try to get a dude who can be THE guy in the next era for them.

I'd trade 2 for him in a heartbeat because he's such a good fit for this current suns team.



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That was kind of my line of thinking somewhat, Considering that Barrett is a Canadian prodigy and favorite of sorts, So he'd be a huge media draw for them alone.

also with the fact that he has franchise cornerstone potential and has been compared to such players as Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady, and an aggressive Andrew Wiggins.

Based on his potential and projections, He might have increased or inflated high value, But Especially to the Raptors, with him being a Canadian native and somewhat of a hometown hero to them also.

Overall, they might consider Barrett as a really nice alternative option to build around, should Kwahi Leonard decide to leave???

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Lol....Pretty cool!......Man, The good ol' days of Nash, Amare and Marion.....

What might of been???

Technically with Joe Johnson too, We actually had a big 4.....And great role players alongside them. If only Sarver had been willing to pay Johnson to keep the core together.

We'd be looking at a championship or two most likely...

[alamin330]

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Lol....Pretty cool!......Man, The good ol' days of Nash, Amare and Marion.....

What might of been???

Technically with Joe Johnson too, We actually had a big 4.....And great role players alongside them. If only Sarver had been willing to pay Johnson to keep the core together.

We'd be looking at a championship or two most likely...

This is why Sarver has a bad rep which he’s earned but some things are just not true. Joe Johnson was mad at Sarver and the suns for not extending him the summer before his restricted free agency. Sarver said publicly he would match any offer for iso joe. ISO joe got his offer from Atlanta and Sarver was going to match and iso joe said no I don’t want to play for Phoenix so please dont match. Sarver granted joe his wish which is why the hawks gave us diaw otherwise he matches I think. Sarver is not cheap when it comes to players. This is why I think Sarver is not as bad as the media makes him out to be. He made a lot of people upset and they may be bad eggs.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Lol....Pretty cool!......Man, The good ol' days of Nash, Amare and Marion.....

What might of been???

Technically with Joe Johnson too, We actually had a big 4.....And great role players alongside them. If only Sarver had been willing to pay Johnson to keep the core together.

We'd be looking at a championship or two most likely...

This is why Sarver has a bad rep which he’s earned but some things are just not true. Joe Johnson was mad at Sarver and the suns for not extending him the summer before his restricted free agency. Sarver said publicly he would match any offer for iso joe. ISO joe got his offer from Atlanta and Sarver was going to match and iso joe said no I don’t want to play for Phoenix so please dont match. Sarver granted joe his wish which is why the hawks gave us diaw otherwise he matches I think. Sarver is not cheap when it comes to players. This is why I think Sarver is not as bad as the media makes him out to be. He made a lot of people upset and they may be bad eggs.

Didn't they make him an offer the summer before but he felt they low balled him and held a grudge? I wonder if the fact Nash was on a pretty cheap deal impacted their thinking on this because it would have been weird offering Joe more especially then because his best year with the suns was that following season.

You are right though that the summer of his RFA it was all about him not wanting to be here anymore and not the money that lead to the sign and trade.

IMO it was absolutely a mistake by the suns to not get that extension done. But I also always kind of felt Joe didn't want to be here in general and wanted to be the man on his own team and used that perceived slight from the summer before to get out of here.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Our endgame is coming

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Lol....Pretty cool!......Man, The good ol' days of Nash, Amare and Marion.....

What might of been???

Technically with Joe Johnson too, We actually had a big 4.....And great role players alongside them. If only Sarver had been willing to pay Johnson to keep the core together.

We'd be looking at a championship or two most likely...

This is why Sarver has a bad rep which he’s earned but some things are just not true. Joe Johnson was mad at Sarver and the suns for not extending him the summer before his restricted free agency. Sarver said publicly he would match any offer for iso joe. ISO joe got his offer from Atlanta and Sarver was going to match and iso joe said no I don’t want to play for Phoenix so please dont match. Sarver granted joe his wish which is why the hawks gave us diaw otherwise he matches I think. Sarver is not cheap when it comes to players. This is why I think Sarver is not as bad as the media makes him out to be. He made a lot of people upset and they may be bad eggs.

I get what you're saying about Johnson being mad and telling him not to extend him, But he should of extended him honestly that summer as he was a key piece to that talented core we had then. Uf he had just extended him, then that whole fiasco could have been avoided I believe.

But also, Sarvers' reputation for being cheap was also a result of numerous decisions he has madeover his tenure as a owner (managing partner of the suns.

For example, his selling off of draft picks for cash, The Kurt Thomas trade, etc. He's earned that reputation and overall image pretty convincingly over the years,

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1015694-the-worst-phoenix-suns-trades-of-the-last-decade#slide0.


Which is reflected in our franchises' lousy image to the rest of the league over the years.

In 2004, They traded the 7th pick (Luol Deng) for a future pick and Jackson Vroman( to save money).

In 2005, They traded the

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[NapoleonII]

Assistant coach? Sure I'd take a flyer on Walton.

But Igor has earned himself another year here.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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I have mixed feeling on this because it does look like some of Igor's teaching is finally starting to stick but I'm very high on Walton and would be happy with that hire.

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[Crives]

Assistant coach? Sure I'd take a flyer on Walton.

But Igor has earned himself another year here.

Couldn’t agree more.

[Crives]

Any chance Crawford joins our FO this offseason?