Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread

[Phish Tank]

Maybe that explains why it looked liked his effort level was leaving something to be desired lately.

I would buy this more than him having issues playing with Mudiay, becuase he doesn't play with Mudiay to start games and he comes out real lethargic. He actually picks it up later in the game so that could mean he is finally loose. So lets hope he gets back healthy on looks like what he looked like when we first acquired him.

conditioning is also a problem too. (which seems to be the narrative around MSG)

[HarthorneWingo]

Maybe that explains why it looked liked his effort level was leaving something to be desired lately.

I would buy this more than him having issues playing with Mudiay, becuase he doesn't play with Mudiay to start games and he comes out real lethargic. He actually picks it up later in the game so that could mean he is finally loose. So lets hope he gets back healthy on looks like what he looked like when we first acquired him.

conditioning is also a problem too. (which seems to be the narrative around MSG)

Sleep apnea! He looks like a snorer to me.

[Phish Tank]

I would buy this more than him having issues playing with Mudiay, becuase he doesn't play with Mudiay to start games and he comes out real lethargic. He actually picks it up later in the game so that could mean he is finally loose. So lets hope he gets back healthy on looks like what he looked like when we first acquired him.

conditioning is also a problem too. (which seems to be the narrative around MSG)

Sleep apnea! He looks like a snorer to me.

gotta do those sleep studies. Give him that CPAP machine

[HarthorneWingo]

conditioning is also a problem too. (which seems to be the narrative around MSG)

Sleep apnea! He looks like a snorer to me.

gotta do those sleep studies. Give him that CPAP machine

The Mets' Dominic Smith now uses it and he's tearing up spring training. He says it's made a world of difference.

[blueNorange]

dsj has played enough that that this opinion is valid.

he’s better than frank but the whole “knicks messed up, should’ve drafted dsj” is overblown because dsj has more wholes than a slice of swiss cheese.

all he’s good at right now is being athletic.

[Nazrmohamed]

dsj has played enough that that this opinion is valid.

he’s better than frank but the whole “knicks messed up, should’ve drafted dsj” is overblown because dsj has more wholes than a slice of swiss cheese.

all he’s good at right now is being athletic.

I think hes a decent scorer ( not necessarily a shooter though) who has shown some good passing instincts. Like Mudiay though hes gotta be developed or else that's where the story ends. I think it's still a good foundation to work out of if you're a coach and are truly committed to development as Fizz says. What he does however is do anything to put Mudiay in those situations. Mudiay shoulda been traded for a second rounder at the deadline and we should be fully committed to both PGs from the 2017 draft. One would be a starter and the loser his backup but seems Mudiay holds a bug place in Fizzs heart.

[NY 567]

Smith Jr isn't very good right now. Some of the more delusional takes about how we got the best player in the trade aren't aging well.

[Greenie]

dsj has played enough that that this opinion is valid.

he’s better than frank but the whole “knicks messed up, should’ve drafted dsj” is overblown because dsj has more wholes than a slice of swiss cheese.

all he’s good at right now is being athletic.

If he’s better than Frank, then it’s not over blown. You simply want the better player.

That’s it, that’s all.

The point is mute now though because we have both of them.

[Greenie]

Smith Jr isn't very good right now. Some of the more delusional takes about how we got the best player in the trade aren't aging well.

We got the better package.

No one said we got a better player.

KP was the best player in the deal.

However, what we gained as a whole was worth more. Ridding ourselves of Timmy(not only contract wise), receiving multiple 1sts, netting a solid prospect AND clearing cap is a great package for a dude who didn’t wanna be here.

[NY 567]

Smith Jr isn't very good right now. Some of the more delusional takes about how we got the best player in the trade aren't aging well.

We got the better package.

No one said we got a better player.

KP was the best player in the deal.

However, what we gained as a whole was worth more. Ridding ourselves of Timmy(not only contract wise), receiving multiple 1sts, netting a solid prospect AND clearing cap is a great package for a dude who didn’t wanna be here.

I'm not talking about the trade, that could age very well or very badly depending on a lot of variables, who we get this offseason, if KP comes back healthy or if he doesn't, if KP gets better or if he's a finished product, etc. But there were people who actually thought based on one game that Smith Jr was the better player in the deal, and based on his short Knick tenure, I can see why Dallas didn't think much of him

[Thugger HBC]

Smith Jr isn't very good right now. Some of the more delusional takes about how we got the best player in the trade aren't aging well.

We got the better package.

No one said we got a better player.

KP was the best player in the deal.

However, what we gained as a whole was worth more. Ridding ourselves of Timmy(not only contract wise), receiving multiple 1sts, netting a solid prospect AND clearing cap is a great package for a dude who didn’t wanna be here.

I'm not talking about the trade, that could age very well or very badly depending on a lot of variables, who we get this offseason, if KP comes back healthy or if he doesn't, if KP gets better or if he's a finished product, etc. But there were people who actually thought based on one game that Smith Jr was the better player in the deal, and based on his short Knick tenure, I can see why Dallas didn't think much of him

He'd likely still be there if they didn't have Luca. Not sure where the best player came from, maybe someone said it, but it certainly was in gest.

The vast majority have stated this team acquired a good haul for a player that wanted out, which is pretty much what they did.

[magnumt]

We got the better package.

No one said we got a better player.

KP was the best player in the deal.

However, what we gained as a whole was worth more. Ridding ourselves of Timmy(not only contract wise), receiving multiple 1sts, netting a solid prospect AND clearing cap is a great package for a dude who didn’t wanna be here.

I'm not talking about the trade, that could age very well or very badly depending on a lot of variables, who we get this offseason, if KP comes back healthy or if he doesn't, if KP gets better or if he's a finished product, etc. But there were people who actually thought based on one game that Smith Jr was the better player in the deal, and based on his short Knick tenure, I can see why Dallas didn't think much of him

He'd likely still be there if they didn't have Luca. Not sure where the best player came from, maybe someone said it, but it certainly was in gest.

The vast majority have stated this team acquired a good haul for a player that wanted out, which is pretty much what they did.

This.

He's also done a good job of running the Offense. The real problem is his Perimeter game. But he's been very Marbury like in his drives and kicks. Or guys just can't hit a shot.

It's kinda asinine for DSJr to be written off after just a few games by this poster.

--Mags

[NY 567]

Smith Jr has a fairly large body of work in the NBA so far, "this poster" isn't writing him off after a mere few games. He's nothing special as a prospect. I dig the cap space and the chance at KD and Irving, although it could backfire badly it was worth the shot if KP was gone no matter what, but Smith Jr ain't the guy

[magnumt]

Smith Jr has a fairly large body of work in the NBA so far, "this poster" isn't writing him off after a mere few games. He's nothing special as a prospect. I dig the cap space and the chance at KD and Irving, although it could backfire badly it was worth the shot if KP was gone no matter what, but Smith Jr ain't the guy

With the Knicks?!

Nothing special?! Didn't you start this convo.off by criticizing others for their "hot takes?"

Who said anything about DSJ being "the guy."

We've never really seen you around these parts, and yet you pop in with your own hot takes, dismiss everyone else, and make **** up about what's posted here.

We usually call that TROLLING!

--Mags

[Thugger HBC]

Smith Jr has a fairly large body of work in the NBA so far, "this poster" isn't writing him off after a mere few games. He's nothing special as a prospect. I dig the cap space and the chance at KD and Irving, although it could backfire badly it was worth the shot if KP was gone no matter what, but Smith Jr ain't the guy

Two seasons is a large body of work?

Ironically you say you aren't writing him off, but in the same keystroke definitely state he isn't that guy.

[NoLayupRule]

Smith Jr has a fairly large body of work in the NBA so far, "this poster" isn't writing him off after a mere few games. He's nothing special as a prospect. I dig the cap space and the chance at KD and Irving, although it could backfire badly it was worth the shot if KP was gone no matter what, but Smith Jr ain't the guy

Two seasons is a large body of work?

Ironically you say you aren't writing him off, but in the same keystroke definitely state he isn't that guy.

this board seems to fall over itself trying to label people "busts" or "the worst in the nba at ..." all the damn time

DSjr is still learning the game and he's playing the hardest position in basketball

lets take him for what he is now and not build him up into a superstar but lets also not act like he's a finished product

similar notes for Frank and Knox

and Trier, and Robinson, and Dotson, etc

[thebuzzardman]

Smith Jr has a fairly large body of work in the NBA so far, "this poster" isn't writing him off after a mere few games. He's nothing special as a prospect. I dig the cap space and the chance at KD and Irving, although it could backfire badly it was worth the shot if KP was gone no matter what, but Smith Jr ain't the guy

Two seasons is a large body of work?

Ironically you say you aren't writing him off, but in the same keystroke definitely state he isn't that guy.

People sort of need to recalibrate how they rate players.

These guys are getting drafted after ONE year, at 19, 20 years old. Frank, DSJr, Knox, Ball and so on.
Have other guys looked better in a similar scenario? Sure. Will some guys just turn out to be not that good? Sure.

Can't wait for the knee jerk opinions when 18 year olds get drafted.

[thebuzzardman]

Smith Jr has a fairly large body of work in the NBA so far, "this poster" isn't writing him off after a mere few games. He's nothing special as a prospect. I dig the cap space and the chance at KD and Irving, although it could backfire badly it was worth the shot if KP was gone no matter what, but Smith Jr ain't the guy

Two seasons is a large body of work?

Ironically you say you aren't writing him off, but in the same keystroke definitely state he isn't that guy.

this board seems to fall over itself trying to label people "busts" or "the worst in the nba at ..." all the damn time

DSjr is still learning the game and he's playing the hardest position in basketball

lets take him for what he is now and not build him up into a superstar but lets also not act like he's a finished product

similar notes for Frank and Knox

and Trier, and Robinson, and Dotson, etc

Dotson and Trier are interesting examples related to my "players need to develop" post, which I did before I saw a few others said the same thing (should have kept reading). So, as 4 and 3 year players - Dotson was 4, right? I forget - they should be "further along" than a DSJr/Frank/Knox. And I'd say they were and are - or maybe Trier and year 1 DSJr were close enough? But in spite of being "older" college guys - you can see that Dotson needed to adjust to the NBA and Trier, while flashing certain "NBA ready right now" skills, also needs work. Yes, comparing a mid 2nd rounder and UDFA guy to first rounders, but the first round guys went higher in part based on perceived and hoped for upsides as rated by scouts and FO's.

In any event, rambling a bit, but Dotson is a good example of having to need to wait a minute or two on players, as Dotson in year 2 looks much better than year 1. While having a longer college career and being 3-4 years older.

Little off topic, but it's part of the reason I don't mind the two max cats coming. Sure, they'll hurt draft position, if a person is an advocate of some more time in the tank/young talent acquisition through the draft, but at this point if we are only spending cash and wind up drafting in the mid 20's instead of around 8th - last two drafts before this one - I'll take that, so the young guys get another year of development, with less pressure and with better players to help elevate their games.

[DOT]

Two seasons is a large body of work?

Ironically you say you aren't writing him off, but in the same keystroke definitely state he isn't that guy.

this board seems to fall over itself trying to label people "busts" or "the worst in the nba at ..." all the damn time

DSjr is still learning the game and he's playing the hardest position in basketball

lets take him for what he is now and not build him up into a superstar but lets also not act like he's a finished product

similar notes for Frank and Knox

and Trier, and Robinson, and Dotson, etc

Dotson and Trier are interesting examples related to my "players need to develop" post, which I did before I saw a few others said the same thing (should have kept reading). So, as 4 and 3 year players - Dotson was 4, right? I forget - they should be "further along" than a DSJr/Frank/Knox. And I'd say they were and are - or maybe Trier and year 1 DSJr were close enough? But in spite of being "older" college guys - you can see that Dotson needed to adjust to the NBA and Trier, while flashing certain "NBA ready right now" skills, also needs work. Yes, comparing a mid 2nd rounder and UDFA guy to first rounders, but the first round guys went higher in part based on perceived and hoped for upsides as rated by scouts and FO's.

In any event, rambling a bit, but Dotson is a good example of having to need to wait a minute or two on players, as Dotson in year 2 looks much better than year 1. While having a longer college career and being 3-4 years older.

Little off topic, but it's part of the reason I don't mind the two max cats coming. Sure, they'll hurt draft position, if a person is an advocate of some more time in the tank/young talent acquisition through the draft, but at this point if we are only spending cash and wind up drafting in the mid 20's instead of around 8th - last two drafts before this one - I'll take that, so the young guys get another year of development, with less pressure and with better players to help elevate their games.

Dotson was in college for 5 years, actually. Missed his entire 3rd season due to transferring because of the rape allegations

At the age DSJ is right now, actually that was the year he missed, but he shot 31% from 3 the year before. Assuming his percentage would have split what it was the next year, he still would have only been a 33, 34% shooter. He didn't start knocking down shots until his 5th year, which would be next year for DSJ, and even then, it still took Dot a year to adjust to the NBA, which would be in 3, 4 years for DSJ and Frank, or 5 years for Knox

Of course, we already know what Dotson can do, and it's up to Frank, Knox, and to an extent DSJ to progress in the next few years, but it's a pretty big age gap.If Dotson had come out after his freshman year, nobody would have waited 6, 7 years for him to get his shot down.

Dotson was a freshman in college at the age Knox is now. It makes perfect sense he's more developed. Also, Knox is just really young in general. Kids need like, 2, 3 years minimum to just develop at that age

[thebuzzardman]

this board seems to fall over itself trying to label people "busts" or "the worst in the nba at ..." all the damn time

DSjr is still learning the game and he's playing the hardest position in basketball

lets take him for what he is now and not build him up into a superstar but lets also not act like he's a finished product

similar notes for Frank and Knox

and Trier, and Robinson, and Dotson, etc

Dotson and Trier are interesting examples related to my "players need to develop" post, which I did before I saw a few others said the same thing (should have kept reading). So, as 4 and 3 year players - Dotson was 4, right? I forget - they should be "further along" than a DSJr/Frank/Knox. And I'd say they were and are - or maybe Trier and year 1 DSJr were close enough? But in spite of being "older" college guys - you can see that Dotson needed to adjust to the NBA and Trier, while flashing certain "NBA ready right now" skills, also needs work. Yes, comparing a mid 2nd rounder and UDFA guy to first rounders, but the first round guys went higher in part based on perceived and hoped for upsides as rated by scouts and FO's.

In any event, rambling a bit, but Dotson is a good example of having to need to wait a minute or two on players, as Dotson in year 2 looks much better than year 1. While having a longer college career and being 3-4 years older.

Little off topic, but it's part of the reason I don't mind the two max cats coming. Sure, they'll hurt draft position, if a person is an advocate of some more time in the tank/young talent acquisition through the draft, but at this point if we are only spending cash and wind up drafting in the mid 20's instead of around 8th - last two drafts before this one - I'll take that, so the young guys get another year of development, with less pressure and with better players to help elevate their games.

Dotson was in college for 5 years, actually. Missed his entire 3rd season due to transferring because of the rape allegations

At the age DSJ is right now, actually that was the year he missed, but he shot 31% from 3 the year before. Assuming his percentage would have split what it was the next year, he still would have only been a 33, 34% shooter. He didn't start knocking down shots until his 5th year, which would be next year for DSJ, and even then, it still took Dot a year to adjust to the NBA, which would be in 3, 4 years for DSJ and Frank, or 5 years for Knox

Of course, we already know what Dotson can do, and it's up to Frank, Knox, and to an extent DSJ to progress in the next few years, but it's a pretty big age gap.If Dotson had come out after his freshman year, nobody would have waited 6, 7 years for him to get his shot down.

Dotson was a freshman in college at the age Knox is now. It makes perfect sense he's more developed. Also, Knox is just really young in general. Kids need like, 2, 3 years minimum to just develop at that age

Exactly. And my point is, Dotson is older, with more years of bball under his belt at some kind of high level, and even he progressed after a year - meaning, even the older guys need to adjust to the NBA and in general. And I bet he looks a little better next year too.