Zion Williamson in the NBA?

[SirChurros]

Lol at the notion that it's "common sense" he'll get hurt. Very scientific.

Common sense that you can't play his style of bball @ his size for ever long.

GB is full of rocket scientists and armchair analysts who never played. Awesome.

Played plenty of basketball, but ok.

[Audo]

His shooting form is bad, I hope he works on it before he starts the NBA season.

[Funcrusher]

It's common sense for anyone who's ever played high level organized basketball.

And your response and comments to the contrary are easy signs to spot armchair analysts who don't truly know bball.

Feel free to cite some study survey or precedence. You wont because that kind of size and athleticism is completely unprecedented save for one player. A future HOF who has had one of the longest and durable careers in nba history.

Since you cant cite any examples your argument boils down to "learn basketball " so youre just spewing typical ignorant forum cliches with absolutely no substance.

Whats the real difference between Lebron's physical makeup and Zion's? 2 inches shorter maybe 10 to 15 pounds heavier? Same freak athleticism. There is no more reason to be concerned than any other freak athlete at that size which again there is just one.

If you knew anything about anything you would see that its the athletes that are lighter in build. Non muscular skinny leg types that are more prone to injury and shorter careers.

Study? Academic type who goes to MIT conf?

Again, you've obviously never played.
Who are you to be demanding examples as though you have a leg to stand on? Do your own research, just because you're unintelligent about a subject, claim BS to get someone to present examples because you're too lazy.

There are examples of Zion's combo of athleticism and tweener height. What happened to e every single one of them? They had some injury due to back or knee(s) and their games were neutered.

Again, it's common sense that the human body can't be at that height and withstand that much force. Do you need equipment failure as another example?

Nail in the coffin, LBJ & Zion athleticism aren't even close. Please stop with your nonsense.

are you having a bad day or something? u ok?

[LeStud]

Feel free to cite some study survey or precedence. You wont because that kind of size and athleticism is completely unprecedented save for one player. A future HOF who has had one of the longest and durable careers in nba history.

Since you cant cite any examples your argument boils down to "learn basketball " so youre just spewing typical ignorant forum cliches with absolutely no substance.

Whats the real difference between Lebron's physical makeup and Zion's? 2 inches shorter maybe 10 to 15 pounds heavier? Same freak athleticism. There is no more reason to be concerned than any other freak athlete at that size which again there is just one.

If you knew anything about anything you would see that its the athletes that are lighter in build. Non muscular skinny leg types that are more prone to injury and shorter careers.

Study? Academic type who goes to MIT conf?

Again, you've obviously never played.
Who are you to be demanding examples as though you have a leg to stand on? Do your own research, just because you're unintelligent about a subject, claim BS to get someone to present examples because you're too lazy.

There are examples of Zion's combo of athleticism and tweener height. What happened to e every single one of them? They had some injury due to back or knee(s) and their games were neutered.

Again, it's common sense that the human body can't be at that height and withstand that much force. Do you need equipment failure as another example?

Nail in the coffin, LBJ & Zion athleticism aren't even close. Please stop with your nonsense.

Yes make a claim support youre claim. You made the claim you can't support it in any way. Its amazing you can crank out multiple claims in multiple sentences and not have any kind of evidence. So many examples and yet you cant list one. Zip zilch zero all you can do is circle the drain and claim basketball knowledge like a million forum nobodies before you. Its embarrassing.

A claim? 99.9% of athletes with that weight and range of height will have a major injury, that anomaly is LBJ. So again accepted fact/common sense would be that Zion will get injured, you're the one making a claim with an anomaly to point to as a success story.

Serious ?, so we can set expectations, are you a child? Otherwise, again that premise in life is common sense.

[afarmenian]

Study? Academic type who goes to MIT conf?

Again, you've obviously never played.
Who are you to be demanding examples as though you have a leg to stand on? Do your own research, just because you're unintelligent about a subject, claim BS to get someone to present examples because you're too lazy.

There are examples of Zion's combo of athleticism and tweener height. What happened to e every single one of them? They had some injury due to back or knee(s) and their games were neutered.

Again, it's common sense that the human body can't be at that height and withstand that much force. Do you need equipment failure as another example?

Nail in the coffin, LBJ & Zion athleticism aren't even close. Please stop with your nonsense.

Yes make a claim support youre claim. You made the claim you can't support it in any way. Its amazing you can crank out multiple claims in multiple sentences and not have any kind of evidence. So many examples and yet you cant list one. Zip zilch zero all you can do is circle the drain and claim basketball knowledge like a million forum nobodies before you. Its embarrassing.

A claim? 99.9% of athletes with that weight and range of height will have a major injury, that anomaly is LBJ. So again accepted fact/common sense would be that Zion will get injured, you're the one making a claim with an anomaly to point to as a success story.

Serious ?, so we can set expectations, are you a child? Otherwise, again that premise in life is common sense.

Just asking you to name a few. Name the players at his weight height athleticism Internet professional basketball player you should be able to cite several by name.

I'll even give you Larry Johnson and Charles Barkley to start with. Your brain doesn't seem to work so well so I'll give you that Head Start

[LeStud]

Yes make a claim support youre claim. You made the claim you can't support it in any way. Its amazing you can crank out multiple claims in multiple sentences and not have any kind of evidence. So many examples and yet you cant list one. Zip zilch zero all you can do is circle the drain and claim basketball knowledge like a million forum nobodies before you. Its embarrassing.

A claim? 99.9% of athletes with that weight and range of height will have a major injury, that anomaly is LBJ. So again accepted fact/common sense would be that Zion will get injured, you're the one making a claim with an anomaly to point to as a success story.

Serious ?, so we can set expectations, are you a child? Otherwise, again that premise in life is common sense.

Just asking you to name a few. Name the players at his weight height athleticism Internet professional basketball player you should be able to cite several by name

You're a nobody who's making a claim that is very improbable but yet you want support for the other side. Some have already been named on this thread and Google is your friend, get off your ass and do your own research.

[BAMAFREAK]

Yes make a claim support youre claim. You made the claim you can't support it in any way. Its amazing you can crank out multiple claims in multiple sentences and not have any kind of evidence. So many examples and yet you cant list one. Zip zilch zero all you can do is circle the drain and claim basketball knowledge like a million forum nobodies before you. Its embarrassing.

A claim? 99.9% of athletes with that weight and range of height will have a major injury, that anomaly is LBJ. So again accepted fact/common sense would be that Zion will get injured, you're the one making a claim with an anomaly to point to as a success story.

Serious ?, so we can set expectations, are you a child? Otherwise, again that premise in life is common sense.

Just asking you to name a few. Name the players at his weight height athleticism Internet professional basketball player you should be able to cite several by name.

I'll even give you Larry Johnson and Charles Barkley to start with. Your brain doesn't seem to work so well so I'll give you that Head Start

I’ll help. No one. No one has ever been built and loaded with the tools that Zion has

[afarmenian]

A claim? 99.9% of athletes with that weight and range of height will have a major injury, that anomaly is LBJ. So again accepted fact/common sense would be that Zion will get injured, you're the one making a claim with an anomaly to point to as a success story.

Serious ?, so we can set expectations, are you a child? Otherwise, again that premise in life is common sense.

Just asking you to name a few. Name the players at his weight height athleticism Internet professional basketball player you should be able to cite several by name

You're a nobody who's making a claim that is very improbable but yet you want support for the other side. Some have already been named on this thread and Google is your friend, get off your ass and do your own research.

Exactly lol you're embarrassing yourself you should take a break come back when you understand how to use logic and reason

[LeStud]

Just asking you to name a few. Name the players at his weight height athleticism Internet professional basketball player you should be able to cite several by name

You're a nobody who's making a claim that is very improbable but yet you want support for the other side. Some have already been named on this thread and Google is your friend, get off your ass and do your own research.

Exactly lol you're embarrassing yourself you should take a break come back when you understand how to use logic and reason

Sure says the child who makes an improbable claim and expects accepted fact to provide support for 99.9%.

[afarmenian]

A claim? 99.9% of athletes with that weight and range of height will have a major injury, that anomaly is LBJ. So again accepted fact/common sense would be that Zion will get injured, you're the one making a claim with an anomaly to point to as a success story.

Serious ?, so we can set expectations, are you a child? Otherwise, again that premise in life is common sense.

Just asking you to name a few. Name the players at his weight height athleticism Internet professional basketball player you should be able to cite several by name

You're a nobody who's making a claim that is very improbable but yet you want support for the other side. Some have already been named on this thread and Google is your friend, get off your ass and do your own research.

My claim is that there are no players that you can compare. So if that's my claim who are you to tell me to find examples of something that I don't believe in? are you really that ignorant to how debate works, it's a simple concept

[Funcrusher]

Just asking you to name a few. Name the players at his weight height athleticism Internet professional basketball player you should be able to cite several by name

You're a nobody who's making a claim that is very improbable but yet you want support for the other side. Some have already been named on this thread and Google is your friend, get off your ass and do your own research.

Exactly lol you're embarrassing yourself you should take a break come back when you understand how to use logic and reason.

My claim is that there are no players that you can compare. So if that's my claim who are you to tell me to find examples of something that I don't believe in? are you really that ignorant to how debate works, it's a simple concept

don't bother arguing with this guy, afarmenian. I had an argument with him in the past and it's simply pointless. He's a petulant child that gets off on being a smartass and fake tough guy on the internet. There's no use arguing facts and logic with this fool.

[Mr B]

Feel free to cite some study survey or precedence. Since you cant your argument boils down to "learn basketball " your just spewing typical ignorant forum cliches with absolutely no substance.

Whats the real difference between Lebron's physical makeup and Zion's? 2 inches shorter maybe 10 to 15 pounds heavier? Same freak athleticism. There is no more reason to be concerned than any other freak athlete.

Larry Johnson is a good example.

Better than comparing him to Iverson but not a great one LJ was not close to the athlete

Coming out of UNLV Larry Johnson was absolutely a comparable athlete. He wasn’t the lumbering below the rim mid-range guy you probably remember from his Knicks days. He was built like a tank and could defend and played well above the rim. His knees and back eventually succumbed to pounding they took from having to carry all that weight, and he was about 30 pounds lighter than Zion.

[afarmenian]

Larry Johnson is a good example.

Better than comparing him to Iverson but not a great one LJ was not close to the athlete

Coming out of UNLV Larry Johnson was absolutely a comparable athlete. He wasn’t the lumbering below the rim mid-range guy you probably remember from his Knicks days. He was built like a tank and could defend and played well above the rim. His knees and back eventually succumbed to pounding they took from having to carry all that weight, and he was about 30 pounds lighter than Zion.

Great athlete but not in the realm of Zion. Lots of guys play above the rim. Zion is a once every 20 years speciman.

What proof do you have that any of those injuries had anything related to Larry Johnsons style of play or weight? Lots of players get back and knee injuries. Lots of small short guards big lumbering centers and everything in between. Its a huge stretch tojust assume things like that

[rockmanslim]

Y'all about to mess around and get this thread locked...

[tarantism]

I see him being an elite 2nd option, but I just don't see the skillset to be a 1st option and lead a team somewhere. He is going to be great, but he will never be on the Harden, LeBron, Giannis, Curry, KD,... level

Take it easy...he's only 18. Skills and experience comes with age. Do you remember how Giannis looked like first year in the league?

And how many players there are that had Giannis' improvement curve? He is more the exception than the rule.And Giannis was always a good passer/facilitator, I don't see that in Zion.

I'm not saying that he will be a bust. He is a great prospect, I just don't see him being in the tier 1 of superstars.

Well that's the rub, isn't it? Giannis is super tall/long and came into the league with a higher level feel for the game and the ability to facilitate for his teammates. Zion simply does not possess those skills. Like I said, I feel like a cynical dick, but I'm just not seeing it here. Zion has all of the athleticism you'd want. I think that blinds people in some cases, including this one.

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[Mr B]

Better than comparing him to Iverson but not a great one LJ was not close to the athlete

Coming out of UNLV Larry Johnson was absolutely a comparable athlete. He wasn’t the lumbering below the rim mid-range guy you probably remember from his Knicks days. He was built like a tank and could defend and played well above the rim. His knees and back eventually succumbed to pounding they took from having to carry all that weight, and he was about 30 pounds lighter than Zion.

Great athlete but not in the realm of Zion. Lots of guys play above the rim. Zion is a once every 20 years speciman.

What proof do you have that any of those injuries had anything related to Larry Johnsons style of play or weight? Lots of players get back and knee injuries. Lots of small short guards big lumbering centers and everything in between. Its a huge stretch tojust assume things like that

Well common sense for one. I mean it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that a heavy guy that is constantly jumping and landing that it will eventually have an effect on the joints and cartilage in his knees and back. Like you said, you see it in heavy players and lighter players. Common sense will tell you that the players that are heavier though are going to have most wear and tear.

Also what proof do you have that those injuries weren’t related to Johnson’s style of play?

Here is a good article I found about LJ. It talks about him being able to explode to the rim for dunks and talks about the two herniated disks in his lower back and how he had to change his game completely. He still had a decent career but was never the explosive player he was before the injury to his back.

https://www.si.com/vault/1994/10/10/132207/back-to-basics-larry-johnson-is-trying-to-restore-his-damaged-body-and-tainted-image-to-nba-all-star-form?utm_source=emailshare&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email-share-article&utm_content=20190317

[CobraCommander]

Young dark skin left handed Blake Griffin

Laziest post ever

[Duke4life831]

Am I the only one not seeing it here? Can he shoot? No. Is he a playmaker? No. Is he particularly long, or tall? No. Does he have a refined skill set? No. Is he a lock down, intelligent defender? No. Does he have a next level feel for the game? No.

Is he an otherworldly athlete? Absolutely. He is also a hard worker. But I just don't see the skill set here to assume that this guy is not a serious injury away from irrelevance.

I hate to be cynical about it. I'm just not understanding why people are losing their minds over this guy. I'm also no NBA scout, so what do I know.

There is no track record of guys like Zion getting a jump shot. I understand getting lost in the potential, but LeBrons don't just grow on trees, friends. History does not glow upon Zion. I hate to say it, and I know I'm going to get **** on, but I see major bust potential with this kid.

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ACC all defense team and national DPOY finalist. I honestly don't get the people questioning his defense.

Also what do you mean there is no track record of guys like Zion getting a jump shot? He shot 37% from 3 in conference play, he has shot 31% from 3 on the season. Blake Griffin didn't make a single 3 in his freshman year and in his 2 years total shot 3-10. He was also a sub 60% FT shooter. Blake is shooting 37% on 7 3pt attempts a game this year.

Kent Bazemore was All Defense in college. ****, Kobe was on several All Defense teams. Don't confuse blocks and steals steals with consistently good on and off ball defense. Zion is NOT there yet.

As far as jump shooting, he is just not considered a threat from out there right now. Zion eats on bully ball. There is nothing wrong with that, but it generally does not translate well. Thats all I'm saying.

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Where in my post did I point to his steals and blocks as why he is a good defender? I'm a die hard Duke fan, I saw Duke go from the #1 defense in America, drop all the way down to 8th without him. Then since he has returned Duke's defensive efficiency has been climbing and they're at 6th right now.

Duke is an elite defense with Zion on the court, they're an average defense without him. I'm not talking about his steals and blocks, I'm talking about his drastic impact he has on the defense overall.

And when did I say he was considered a 3pt threat? There is a big difference between there being no track record of a guy like Zion getting a jumper, and him being considered a 3pt threat right now. There is a massive list of guys that didn't shoot the 3 anywhere close to how Zion has shot it as freshmen, that then ended up having a reliable 3pt shot.

[Duke4life831]

Lol at the notion that it's "common sense" he'll get hurt. Very scientific.

Plus I can't believe how much the 285 thing caught on. Zion during the Canadian games said his weight was around 272. Also, most guys lose weight during the season as well, I wouldn't be surprised if he is currently in the high 260s. But that doesn't sound as cool as 285 because it wouldn't make him the 2nd heaviest NBA player, so the media still kept pushing the 285 thing.

And for the idea that a guy as athletic as him can't stay healthy, LeBron was in the 260s for the majority of his career, the dude didn't get hurt until this year.

And when it comes to Zion's knee injury, that was from a freak accident and both K and Zion said he was good to go after 2 games. They just kept him out because the games didn't really matter and might as well rest him up.

[tarantism]

ACC all defense team and national DPOY finalist. I honestly don't get the people questioning his defense.

Also what do you mean there is no track record of guys like Zion getting a jump shot? He shot 37% from 3 in conference play, he has shot 31% from 3 on the season. Blake Griffin didn't make a single 3 in his freshman year and in his 2 years total shot 3-10. He was also a sub 60% FT shooter. Blake is shooting 37% on 7 3pt attempts a game this year.

Kent Bazemore was All Defense in college. ****, Kobe was on several All Defense teams. Don't confuse blocks and steals steals with consistently good on and off ball defense. Zion is NOT there yet.

As far as jump shooting, he is just not considered a threat from out there right now. Zion eats on bully ball. There is nothing wrong with that, but it generally does not translate well. Thats all I'm saying.

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Where in my post did I point to his steals and blocks as why he is a good defender? I'm a die hard Duke fan, I saw Duke go from the #1 defense in America, drop all the way down to 8th without him. Then since he has returned Duke's defensive efficiency has been climbing and they're at 6th right now.

Duke is an elite defense with Zion on the court, they're an average defense without him. I'm not talking about his steals and blocks, I'm talking about his drastic impact he has on the defense overall.

And when did I say he was considered a 3pt threat? There is a big difference between there being no track record of a guy like Zion getting a jumper, and him being considered a 3pt threat right now. There is a massive list of guys that didn't shoot the 3 anywhere close to how Zion has shot it as freshmen, that then ended up having a reliable 3pt shot.

Whoa there bud. Its a matter of opinion. You said yourself, you're a die hard Duke fan. I'm sure you see things that I don't. I was simply pontificating off of what I've seen myself.

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