Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

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My plan:

Sign Rubio. Re-sign Oubre. Re-sign Holmes.

When the trade Season begins, jump on the phone with Utah. If they want Conley they HAVE to be sending out Favors. They currently split their PF time up between him and Crowder (With Jae playing 10 more minutes a game than Favors). They also have to send him out just to make the money work (He is the 2nd highest paid player, sandwiched in-between 2 guys they really dont want to get rid of, Gobert and Ingles). Memphis is rebuilding and doesnt have a need for Favors with JJJ around. What they do have a need for is SF, as Chandler is ass and should be stretched, while Anderson and Miles are very very sub-par. Perfect landing spot for TJ Warren! Send them Warren+Okobo+MIL 1st to be included in their Conley trade with us getting Favors back in return.



Rubio/Johnson/Melton
Booker/Jackson
Oubre/Bridges
Favors/Spalding
Ayton/Holmes

Fill the remaining roster spots with our 2 draft picks and a hungry G-Leaguer (Chinanu Onuaku).

Rubio and Favors already have Chemistry with each other, along with Coach Koko. Shouldnt be too hard for them to get used to the system and playing for Igor. We just build upon what we have started doing already.

I do think there's a chance Rubio ends up with the suns but they will need to clear some additional cap space to do it. Stretching Johnson is an option but I kind of like him around so I'd rather move Jackson to a cap space team and get there that route.

Favors contact is not guaranteed for next year so Utah could choose to not pick up that last year if they want that 19mil in cap space for a trade or FA. But if he did go out in the conley deal I agree they probably look to move him and I think the suns might be able to get him for less than you even posted. But to make salarys work you would need more than you posted.

Basically to get both Rubio and favors this summer all 3 of Johnson, Warren and Jackson would need to go in some way to make the money work.

The only issue you'd have with inserting both Rubio and favors into the lineup is that would be a bad 3pt shooting team. Youd really need booker and oubre to improve their percentages and Ayton would pretty much have to start shooting 3s or the spacing would suck. Utah has this issue now and I think it's one of the reasons they won't resign Rubio this summer.

And if you get favors I'd let Holmes walk because you'd want to do what Utah does now and play favors at the 5 when not next to Ayton.

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I used to like Rubio but seeing Utah fans complain so much about him (especially on a team that’s much better structured than the Suns) has made me realize perhaps he isn’t the answer.

Jazz fans say that opposing teams literally do not defend Rubio and his defender is usually standing near the key to double other players (Mitchell, Ingles, Gobert etc). This could be pretty problematic with Booker, Oubre and Ayton as well.

Why don’t the Suns just go after Conley for themselves? Bucks pick + Tyler Johnson should get it done imo.

My #1 target is Jrue Holliday and #2 is Conley. If all else fails then Rubio is the last and final choice.

[bwgood77]

My plan:

Sign Rubio. Re-sign Oubre. Re-sign Holmes.

When the trade Season begins, jump on the phone with Utah. If they want Conley they HAVE to be sending out Favors. They currently split their PF time up between him and Crowder (With Jae playing 10 more minutes a game than Favors). They also have to send him out just to make the money work (He is the 2nd highest paid player, sandwiched in-between 2 guys they really dont want to get rid of, Gobert and Ingles). Memphis is rebuilding and doesnt have a need for Favors with JJJ around. What they do have a need for is SF, as Chandler is ass and should be stretched, while Anderson and Miles are very very sub-par. Perfect landing spot for TJ Warren! Send them Warren+Okobo+MIL 1st to be included in their Conley trade with us getting Favors back in return.



Rubio/Johnson/Melton
Booker/Jackson
Oubre/Bridges
Favors/Spalding
Ayton/Holmes

Fill the remaining roster spots with our 2 draft picks and a hungry G-Leaguer (Chinanu Onuaku).

Rubio and Favors already have Chemistry with each other, along with Coach Koko. Shouldnt be too hard for them to get used to the system and playing for Igor. We just build upon what we have started doing already.

You think we can sign Rubio for like $5-$8 million a year? Doubtful. Also, Favors makes $16 million next year but it's unguaranteed if he is waived before July 5th. Anyway, you'd need to send out more salary if you wanted to keep him on at $16 million, but he'd be an expiring.

That team would have zero spacing/shooting too. Don't like it even though I like Favors.

Edit: Just noticed WG said basically a lot of the same things.

[itlnsunsfan]

My plan:

Sign Rubio. Re-sign Oubre. Re-sign Holmes.

When the trade Season begins, jump on the phone with Utah. If they want Conley they HAVE to be sending out Favors. They currently split their PF time up between him and Crowder (With Jae playing 10 more minutes a game than Favors). They also have to send him out just to make the money work (He is the 2nd highest paid player, sandwiched in-between 2 guys they really dont want to get rid of, Gobert and Ingles). Memphis is rebuilding and doesnt have a need for Favors with JJJ around. What they do have a need for is SF, as Chandler is ass and should be stretched, while Anderson and Miles are very very sub-par. Perfect landing spot for TJ Warren! Send them Warren+Okobo+MIL 1st to be included in their Conley trade with us getting Favors back in return.



Rubio/Johnson/Melton
Booker/Jackson
Oubre/Bridges
Favors/Spalding
Ayton/Holmes

Fill the remaining roster spots with our 2 draft picks and a hungry G-Leaguer (Chinanu Onuaku).

Rubio and Favors already have Chemistry with each other, along with Coach Koko. Shouldnt be too hard for them to get used to the system and playing for Igor. We just build upon what we have started doing already.

I do think there's a chance Rubio ends up with the suns but they will need to clear some additional cap space to do it. Stretching Johnson is an option but I kind of like him around so I'd rather move Jackson to a cap space team and get there that route.

Favors contact is not guaranteed for next year so Utah could choose to not pick up that last year if they want that 19mil in cap space for a trade or FA. But if he did go out in the conley deal I agree they probably look to move him and I think the suns might be able to get him for less than you even posted. But to make salarys work you would need more than you posted.

Basically to get both Rubio and favors this summer all 3 of Johnson, Warren and Jackson would need to go in some way to make the money work.

The only issue you'd have with inserting both Rubio and favors into the lineup is that would be a bad 3pt shooting team. Youd really need booker and oubre to improve their percentages and Ayton would pretty much have to start shooting 3s or the spacing would suck. Utah has this issue now and I think it's one of the reasons they won't resign Rubio this summer.

And if you get favors I'd let Holmes walk because you'd want to do what Utah does now and play favors at the 5 when not next to Ayton.

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I used to like Rubio but seeing Utah fans complain so much about him (especially on a team that’s much better structured than the Suns) has made me realize perhaps he isn’t the answer.

Jazz fans say that opposing teams literally do not defend Rubio and his defender is usually standing near the key to double other players (Mitchell, Ingles, Gobert etc). This could be pretty problematic with Booker, Oubre and Ayton as well.

Why don’t the Suns just go after Conley for themselves? Bucks pick + Tyler Johnson should get it done imo.

My #1 target is Jrue Holliday and #2 is Conley. If all else fails then Rubio is the last and final choice.

I would add Beal to the top of the list. Even though he's not a true pg, he's a good passer, and I believe he would fit very well with this team. Our version of the Curry Thompson dynamic.

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[darmani]

Signing Rubio is such a terrible idea. The 3-point revolution made non-shooting guards like Rubio absolutely obsolete. And it's not just 3-point shooting, he can't even make a lay-up. In his last 6 games he's shooting 10/55 (18%) from the floor and it's not the first and not the last stretch like that in his career.

[bwgood77]

Those injuries will be tough for us to overcome. I mean we haven't won many games without Tyler OR TJ...I think the Pelicans game, which we were gifted, and that's without Jrue and much of AD, was only the 2nd. But add Richaun and Oubre out and it will be really tough. It will now be Jackson's chance to shine. We should start Melton, Booker, Bridges, Bender and Ayton with Jackson off the bench.

I also agree we need someone who can shoot at PG.

[Crives]

Those injuries will be tough for us to overcome. I mean we haven't won many games without Tyler OR TJ...I think the Pelicans game, which we were gifted, and that's without Jrue and much of AD, was only the 2nd. But add Richaun and Oubre out and it will be really tough. It will now be Jackson's chance to shine. We should start Melton, Booker, Bridges, Bender and Ayton with Jackson off the bench.

I also agree we need someone who can shoot at PG.

This game could be the factor that determines the 3/4 seed for the lottery. Wouldn’t be surprised if Bulls also have major players “recovering” tonight which would help

I don’t think Suns are intentionally hold anyone out, they want to win and finish above .5 for post all star break.

[itlnsunsfan]

Those injuries will be tough for us to overcome. I mean we haven't won many games without Tyler OR TJ...I think the Pelicans game, which we were gifted, and that's without Jrue and much of AD, was only the 2nd. But add Richaun and Oubre out and it will be really tough. It will now be Jackson's chance to shine. We should start Melton, Booker, Bridges, Bender and Ayton with Jackson off the bench.

I also agree we need someone who can shoot at PG.

This game could be the factor that determines the 3/4 seed for the lottery. Wouldn’t be surprised if Bulls also have major players “recovering” tonight which would help

I don’t think Suns are intentionally hold anyone out, they want to win and finish above .5 for post all star break.

Just tank this one. One game isn't going to influence team culture.

[bwgood77]

Those injuries will be tough for us to overcome. I mean we haven't won many games without Tyler OR TJ...I think the Pelicans game, which we were gifted, and that's without Jrue and much of AD, was only the 2nd. But add Richaun and Oubre out and it will be really tough. It will now be Jackson's chance to shine. We should start Melton, Booker, Bridges, Bender and Ayton with Jackson off the bench.

I also agree we need someone who can shoot at PG.

This game could be the factor that determines the 3/4 seed for the lottery. Wouldn’t be surprised if Bulls also have major players “recovering” tonight which would help

I don’t think Suns are intentionally hold anyone out, they want to win and finish above .5 for post all star break.

I don't think we will intentionally hold anyone out but those 4 injuries hurt. I know Carter has been out for the Bulls. They also played last night and got crushed by the Kings. I think if we win tonight, we likely finish 4th worst barring continued injuries..if we lose, 3rd worst might be more probable.

[King4Day]

Those injuries will be tough for us to overcome. I mean we haven't won many games without Tyler OR TJ...I think the Pelicans game, which we were gifted, and that's without Jrue and much of AD, was only the 2nd. But add Richaun and Oubre out and it will be really tough. It will now be Jackson's chance to shine. We should start Melton, Booker, Bridges, Bender and Ayton with Jackson off the bench.

I also agree we need someone who can shoot at PG.

This game could be the factor that determines the 3/4 seed for the lottery. Wouldn’t be surprised if Bulls also have major players “recovering” tonight which would help

I don’t think Suns are intentionally hold anyone out, they want to win and finish above .5 for post all star break.

I don't think we will intentionally hold anyone out but those 4 injuries hurt. I know Carter has been out for the Bulls. They also played last night and got crushed by the Kings. I think if we win tonight, we likely finish 4th worst barring continued injuries..if we lose, 3rd worst might be more probable.

Agreed. I don't think we will finish bottom 3. We're better than the 3 remaining teams (which isn't a bad thing). People have to remember, if we finish 4th, it changes our chances from 14% at the top pick to 12.5%. Not a major difference. The area it hurts is if 3-4 teams leapfrog us. We won't finish worse than 4th, even if we win out in my opinion.

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this game is going to be ugly

[WeekapaugGroove]

This game could be the factor that determines the 3/4 seed for the lottery. Wouldn’t be surprised if Bulls also have major players “recovering” tonight which would help

I don’t think Suns are intentionally hold anyone out, they want to win and finish above .5 for post all star break.

I don't think we will intentionally hold anyone out but those 4 injuries hurt. I know Carter has been out for the Bulls. They also played last night and got crushed by the Kings. I think if we win tonight, we likely finish 4th worst barring continued injuries..if we lose, 3rd worst might be more probable.

Agreed. I don't think we will finish bottom 3. We're better than the 3 remaining teams (which isn't a bad thing). People have to remember, if we finish 4th, it changes our chances from 14% at the top pick to 12.5%. Not a major difference. The area it hurts is if 3-4 teams leapfrog us. We won't finish worse than 4th, even if we win out in my opinion.

Most years I'd care about getting jumped and sliding back too far but with this draft I really don't give a **** where they land 4-7.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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this game is going to be ugly

Means we should see more minutes for Bender, Jackson, Spalding, Crawford, Daniels. Really looking forward to seeing more Dragan and Spalding. Happy to see whether Jackson can keep up the hot shooting. Not looking forward to watching Crawford or Daniels, obviously.

[bwgood77]

Man these solar panel podcast guys have zero understanding of our cap space. Great that so many fans listen to this.

[hollywood6964]

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this game is going to be ugly

Yeah we're going to need monster performances from Jackson n one other guy to make up for some of it. Problem is jj can go for twenty on 6-10 or go 0-8 with five aluminum foil hat plays, just depends on the night.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Man these solar panel podcast guys have zero understanding of our cap space. Great that so many fans listen to this.

I've never listened to them but I just find it so incredibly lazy when media types don't take like 5 minutes to look at any number of websites to check the cap stuff. It's so easy to do these days and if you're creating content of any kind should be a no brainer.

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[Blonde]

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this game is going to be ugly

Yeah we're going to need monster performances from Jackson n one other guy to make up for some of it. Problem is jj can go for twenty on 6-10 or go 0-8 with five aluminum foil hat plays, just depends on the night.

Booker can beat the Bulls by himself on most days and Chicago doesn't have centers who are going to get Ayton into foul trouble. As long as Crawford minutes are kept low we should still be favored.

[bwgood77]

this game is going to be ugly

Yeah we're going to need monster performances from Jackson n one other guy to make up for some of it. Problem is jj can go for twenty on 6-10 or go 0-8 with five aluminum foil hat plays, just depends on the night.

Booker can beat the Bulls by himself on most days and Chicago doesn't have centers who are going to get Ayton into foul trouble. As long as Crawford minutes are kept low we should still be favored.

Bench is very thin though at PG, PF and C. Guys could get tired. Bulls were playing well until recently...Porter was on fire, though Bridges should matchup well on him and Ayton on Lauri. Melton on LaVine.

[bwgood77]

Who predicted our best two wings at catch and shoot 3s before the season?

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[Blonde]

Regarding the news that the Grizz and Jazz might still discuss a Conley deal, I think the Jazz blew their chance at that. Rubio will no longer be under contract and Exum has further proved himself an injury prone bust. Memphis has Valanciunas now who will accept his PO this summer so they shouldn't really be interested in Favors. Just don't see anything realistic that Utah can offer other than pure salary relief.