Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[bwgood77]

I think that at that point, If Barrett is there, We take him, Then trade back with a team like New Orleans, Or whatever team is in range for us to get Brandon Clarke.

Personally, I'd push hard for a trade with the Hawks, Something like Barrett/ Jackson/ And the Milwaukee pick for Both of their picks.

Then take Brandon Clarke and Coby White. Or Brandon Clarke and Nickeal Alexander Walker. Then pick up Beverly, Joseph, Or collison in free agency. And roll out into next season.

You must be a hawks fan. Let me get this right you want to trade RJ Barrett who could end up being the best player in this draft but you’re not done. You want to throw in josh jackson who was voted to become the best player of his draft. But you didn’t stop there. You want to also throw in an extra first round pick. And In return all you want are two rookies who will probably be rotation players at best? Sounds like a great trade for the hawks
Jackson alone could get you either one of those guys. Coby White is a bust waiting to happen

lol I think everyone who voted would've loved to be able to take back that vote. if we're talking best player of his draft, Markkanen, Tatum, Fox, Mitchell and Collins are easily ahead of Jackson.

Man would we be looking good if we had any of those guys....especially Fox, Markkanen or Collins....I'd take Isaac too, or Ball.

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The highlight of Josh Jackson’s basketball career (both college and the pros) is that he was voted to be the best player of the draft in a poll that’s reportedly filled out by NBA teams’ front office interns.

[cberry78]

In regards to Jackson, how important is it to the development of a young player to have consistency in the coaching staff?

He's on his third head coach in 2 years. His first training camp, where ideally a young player learns what to expect in the NBA, was under Earl Watson. THREE games into his professional career his head coach is fired and replaced by an interim coach (Triano) who threw Watson's old playbook (if you could even call it that) into the trash and spent the rest of the year instituting new plays and expectations on the team....without a training camp. Jackson enters his SECOND season under yet another head coach, who installs an entirely new system (one that has been called the most complex system veterans have played under [Ariza and Chandler both]), and for some reason this young player struggles.

Keep in mind that Jackson put together the best part of his rookie campaign at the end of the season after having almost an entire year to learn Triano's system. And now here he is at the end of his second season (and third pro system), again putting together the best games of his second season.

Maybe he, like any other human being, just needs consistency to flourish. Maybe he still will be the best player in his draft class. Less than 2 season and 3 different head coaches seems like a reach to call a player drafted that high a bust.

And yes, the same things might be able to be said about Bender too (for the right price).

[bwgood77]

In regards to Jackson, how important is it to the development of a young player to have consistency in the coaching staff?

He's on his third head coach in 2 years. His first training camp, where ideally a young player learns what to expect in the NBA, was under Earl Watson. THREE games into his professional career his head coach is fired and replaced by an interim coach (Triano) who threw Watson's old playbook (if you could even call it that) into the trash and spent the rest of the year instituting new plays and expectations on the team....without a training camp. Jackson enters his SECOND season under yet another head coach, who installs an entirely new system (one that has been called the most complex system veterans have played under [Ariza and Chandler both]), and for some reason this young player struggles.

Keep in mind that Jackson put together the best part of his rookie campaign at the end of the season after having almost an entire year to learn Triano's system. And now here he is at the end of his second season (and third pro system), again putting together the best games of his second season.

Maybe he, like any other human being, just needs consistency to flourish. Maybe he still will be the best player in his draft class. Less than 2 season and 3 different head coaches seems like a reach to call a player drafted that high a bust.

And yes, the same things might be able to be said about Bender too (for the right price).

I think it's very important. I also think it's very important not to have Earl Watson as your first coach and instructor when you arrive to the NBA. That hurt our 2016 and 2017 draft classes. No training camp, no system, etc.

I think the biggest red flag with Jackson was that he played better down the stretch last year but still bad and then it appeared he didn't work in the off season and looked like crap in summer league and has for most of the year and still looks bad in games outside of now hitting some 3s.

I think the hype of BSoTS and everyone that got heaped on him about how great he was - and he wasn't great...they were talking about raw, inefficient stats - but he was better and more efficient than he started, went to his head and he thought he was great.

He may get another chance simply because he doesn't have much trade value..so hopefully if he does he embraces it.

[Blonde]

We knew Josh was a raw bundle of talent with a high motor and questionable shooting when we got him. It's pretty obvious that the game hasn't slowed down for him yet though - the turnovers and volume of shots has to decrease. He shouldn't be shooting outside of catch & shoot 3s and open cuts.

I'm fine including him in a deal but not actively looking to trade him because he's close to a negative asset given his salary. In any case, he probably has no future as a starter on this team (Bridges, Oubre) if he doesn't take a significant leap. I don't think it's realistic to expect that leap, but he has shown enough flashes where you can see his potential to be an impact rotation player. The IQ just needs to catch up to the physical talent. Speaking of which, we can't afford to add another low IQ player via draft, trade, or free agency.

[alamin330]

You must be a hawks fan. Let me get this right you want to trade RJ Barrett who could end up being the best player in this draft but you’re not done. You want to throw in josh jackson who was voted to become the best player of his draft. But you didn’t stop there. You want to also throw in an extra first round pick. And In return all you want are two rookies who will probably be rotation players at best? Sounds like a great trade for the hawks
Jackson alone could get you either one of those guys. Coby White is a bust waiting to happen

lol I think everyone who voted would've loved to be able to take back that vote. if we're talking best player of his draft, Markkanen, Tatum, Fox, Mitchell and Collins are easily ahead of Jackson.

Man would we be looking good if we had any of those guys....especially Fox, Markkanen or Collins....I'd take Isaac too, or Ball.

well the vote is besides the point kind of. the point is that jackson has that type of potential which means he still has that kind of value

[lilfishi22]

lol I think everyone who voted would've loved to be able to take back that vote. if we're talking best player of his draft, Markkanen, Tatum, Fox, Mitchell and Collins are easily ahead of Jackson.

Man would we be looking good if we had any of those guys....especially Fox, Markkanen or Collins....I'd take Isaac too, or Ball.

well the vote is besides the point kind of. the point is that jackson has that type of potential which means he still has that kind of value

A lot of guys have potential. But if he's a negative on the floor most nights of the year, it's a tough proposition to get him on the court. If he's not hurting you and has that potential then fine but aside from a few games in his career, he's been inefficient, turns the ball over A LOT, takes ill-advised shots and isn't nearly the defender that people think he is.

[bwgood77]

DBacks night with the Suns on Thursday...

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[lilfishi22]

DBacks night with the Suns on Thursday...

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Good lord

So much better than that basic chick who does our time out competitions.

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feels so good knowing the lakers stupidly gave up Dlo and Randle

[timetoshinebaby]

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feels so good knowing the lakers stupidly gave up Dlo and Randle

Kind of funny that the Lakers might win more games without LeDouche than with him. Got 35 wins last year, 31 at the moment.

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Sunsreddit said Gambo announced THarris will be a top target this summer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/b3732d/gambo_said_the_suns_will_make_tobias_harris_one/

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Sunsreddit said Gambo announced THarris will be a top target this summer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/b3732d/gambo_said_the_suns_will_make_tobias_harris_one/

Thats laughable.

Going after Harris with what money exactly?

Philly didnt trade 4 picks (2 unprotected 1sts and 2 2nds) along with Landry Shamet, all to let him walk in FA. On top of that, if you are Harris, do you go back to the West and play for one of the worst teams the prior season, or stay with a very stacked Sixers squad which is a finals contender....or at the least a high seeded play-off team for the foreseeable future.

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Sunsreddit said Gambo announced THarris will be a top target this summer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/b3732d/gambo_said_the_suns_will_make_tobias_harris_one/

Thats laughable.

Going after Harris with what money exactly?

Philly didnt trade 4 picks (2 unprotected 1sts and 2 2nds) along with Landry Shamet, all to let him walk in FA. On top of that, if you are Harris, do you go back to the West and play for one of the worst teams the prior season, or stay with a very stacked Sixers squad which is a finals contender....or at the least a high seeded play-off team for the foreseeable future.

Exactly, we shouldn’t be giving up assets to clear cap for a very low possibility of signing Harris.

Makes me think that maybe this is part of negotiation mind games with Oubre. Trying to send message that we will find another player if you demand too much.

[lilfishi22]

Sunsreddit said Gambo announced THarris will be a top target this summer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/b3732d/gambo_said_the_suns_will_make_tobias_harris_one/

Thats laughable.

Going after Harris with what money exactly?

Philly didnt trade 4 picks (2 unprotected 1sts and 2 2nds) along with Landry Shamet, all to let him walk in FA. On top of that, if you are Harris, do you go back to the West and play for one of the worst teams the prior season, or stay with a very stacked Sixers squad which is a finals contender....or at the least a high seeded play-off team for the foreseeable future.

Exactly, we shouldn’t be giving up assets to clear cap for a very low possibility of signing Harris.

Makes me think that maybe this is part of negotiation mind games with Oubre. Trying to send message that we will find another player if you demand too much.

lol and Harris is exactly the wrong guy to use for negotiation tactics hahahaha at least use someone who's halfway available

Either Gambo or our front office are idiots. Or both

[bwgood77]

Sunsreddit said Gambo announced THarris will be a top target this summer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/b3732d/gambo_said_the_suns_will_make_tobias_harris_one/

Thats laughable.

Going after Harris with what money exactly?

Philly didnt trade 4 picks (2 unprotected 1sts and 2 2nds) along with Landry Shamet, all to let him walk in FA. On top of that, if you are Harris, do you go back to the West and play for one of the worst teams the prior season, or stay with a very stacked Sixers squad which is a finals contender....or at the least a high seeded play-off team for the foreseeable future.

Exactly, we shouldn’t be giving up assets to clear cap for a very low possibility of signing Harris.

Makes me think that maybe this is part of negotiation mind games with Oubre. Trying to send message that we will find another player if you demand too much.

If Gambo really said this on the radio today it would have been posted here and all over twitter. I'm guessing the guy made it up. Or maybe Gambo did mention it a long while back (sounds a little familiar) and the person is bringing it up now.

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Thats laughable.

Going after Harris with what money exactly?

Philly didnt trade 4 picks (2 unprotected 1sts and 2 2nds) along with Landry Shamet, all to let him walk in FA. On top of that, if you are Harris, do you go back to the West and play for one of the worst teams the prior season, or stay with a very stacked Sixers squad which is a finals contender....or at the least a high seeded play-off team for the foreseeable future.

Exactly, we shouldn’t be giving up assets to clear cap for a very low possibility of signing Harris.

Makes me think that maybe this is part of negotiation mind games with Oubre. Trying to send message that we will find another player if you demand too much.

If Gambo really said this on the radio today it would have been posted here and all over twitter. I'm guessing the guy made it up. Or maybe Gambo did mention it a long while back (sounds a little familiar) and the person is bringing it up now.

I listened to the show today. Gambo did indeed say that they would look to go after Harris this offseason. I would love to get Harris but I don’t see him leaving Phili.

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Uhh...... i dont know if you have heard........





Booker jumps from $3.3M this season to $27M next season.

Yeah, if Book would have waited I think we would have like $17 more or something.

Jesus, yeah that would’ve made a damn big difference.

I can’t blame him for not wanting the financial security though.

Unfortunate situation really. Kawhi Leonard waited to hit RFA so the Spurs could go and grab a max-level free agent. Turned out to be LaMarcus Aldridge. Afterwards he signed a max contract with the Spurs, he didn't even take phone calls during his RFA. The Nets could have signed D'Lo this summer, yet wanted to wait one more season, and now he's looking at a max contract from them. I doubt he is threatening to take the QO so he can play somewhere else. A different situation for Booker though, as we are still a bottom 3 team, and the worst team in the West. Plus, I bet we'd be seeing a lot of media heads talking about how Booker can be the next Kobe if he went to L.A, so I'm glad we inked him this past summer.

But damn, if we could have waited to sign Booker, yeah we'd have an extra $17M to play with.

[cberry78]

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feels so good knowing the lakers stupidly gave up Dlo and Randle

Sign me up for a DLo-Booker backcourt.