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Post#501 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:04 pm

itlnsunsfan wrote:Been on the Wizards forum inquiring about a Beal trade. Looks like they want us to trade them this year's pick after we make the selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks. Told them that was too steep but they're set on making the argument that he's the second best guard in the league next to Harden.


They're probably right about that. I just don't view Beal/Booker as an ideal pairing so don't understand why we'd be the high bidder unless we're overpaying.... which is why I don't view Beal as a realistic trade target.
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Post#502 » by itlnsunsfan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:08 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:Been on the Wizards forum inquiring about a Beal trade. Looks like they want us to trade them this year's pick after we make the selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks. Told them that was too steep but they're set on making the argument that he's the second best guard in the league next to Harden.


They're probably right about that. I just don't few Beal/Booker as an ideal pairing so don't understand why we'd be the high bidder unless we're overpaying.... which is why I don't view Beal as a realistic trade target.


Brad is a good defender and averages more assists than Curry. I think he would pair well next to Booker, but I can see the counter argument that he's not a true pg.
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Post#503 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:16 pm

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itlnsunsfan wrote:Been on the Wizards forum inquiring about a Beal trade. Looks like they want us to trade them this year's pick after we make the selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks. Told them that was too steep but they're set on making the argument that he's the second best guard in the league next to Harden.


They're probably right about that. I just don't few Beal/Booker as an ideal pairing so don't understand why we'd be the high bidder unless we're overpaying.... which is why I don't view Beal as a realistic trade target.


Brad is a good defender and averages more assists than Curry. I think he would pair well next to Booker, but I can see the counter argument that he's not a true pg.


I'm not saying it wouldn't work; I just don't see it as a pairing that maximizes the potential of Booker and Beal.
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Post#504 » by itlnsunsfan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:20 pm

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They're probably right about that. I just don't few Beal/Booker as an ideal pairing so don't understand why we'd be the high bidder unless we're overpaying.... which is why I don't view Beal as a realistic trade target.


Brad is a good defender and averages more assists than Curry. I think he would pair well next to Booker, but I can see the counter argument that he's not a true pg.


I'm not saying it wouldn't work; I just don't see it as a pairing that maximizes the potential of Booker and Beal.


Maybe Jrue would be the ideal pairing candidate. Definitely seems like he would be more obtainable.
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Post#505 » by SunsLyf3 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:25 pm

itlnsunsfan wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:Been on the Wizards forum inquiring about a Beal trade. Looks like they want us to trade them this year's pick after we make the selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks. Told them that was too steep but they're set on making the argument that he's the second best guard in the league next to Harden.


They're probably right about that. I just don't few Beal/Booker as an ideal pairing so don't understand why we'd be the high bidder unless we're overpaying.... which is why I don't view Beal as a realistic trade target.


Brad is a good defender and averages more assists than Curry. I think he would pair well next to Booker, but I can see the counter argument that he's not a true pg.


The "x player averages more assists than curry" argument is extremely flawed. GS is built so that Curry doesn't have to be a playmaker and can be the prolific shooter he now is. Green, Iggy, Livingston are all above average playmakers and this year the offense is being ran through Cousins to an extent. Klay thompson is underrated playmaker as well. Curry literally just has to keep shooting 25 footers and they'll be succesful.
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Post#506 » by itlnsunsfan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:29 pm

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They're probably right about that. I just don't few Beal/Booker as an ideal pairing so don't understand why we'd be the high bidder unless we're overpaying.... which is why I don't view Beal as a realistic trade target.


Brad is a good defender and averages more assists than Curry. I think he would pair well next to Booker, but I can see the counter argument that he's not a true pg.


The "x player averages more assists than curry" argument is extremely flawed. GS is built so that Curry doesn't have to be a playmaker and can be the prolific shooter he now is. Green, Iggy, Livingston are all above average playmakers and this year the offense is being ran through Cousins to an extent. Klay thompson is underrated playmaker as well. Curry literally just has to keep shooting 25 footers and they'll be succesful.


But Booker is a very good playmaker as well. A similar dynamic can be seen in Portland that seems to work.
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Post#507 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:33 pm

itlnsunsfan wrote:
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Brad is a good defender and averages more assists than Curry. I think he would pair well next to Booker, but I can see the counter argument that he's not a true pg.


I'm not saying it wouldn't work; I just don't see it as a pairing that maximizes the potential of Booker and Beal.


Maybe Jrue would be the ideal pairing candidate. Definitely seems like he would be more obtainable.


Certainly seems that Jrue/Booker wouldn't be worse than Beal/Booker, and I think it's a given that Jrue would cost less in trade. But there are lots of options, I think.
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Post#508 » by Blonde » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:36 pm

Beal would be a great fit and I’d give up a lot to get him.
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Post#509 » by itlnsunsfan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:45 pm

Blonde wrote:Beal would be a great fit and I’d give up a lot to get him.


Would you trade this year's pick after we make our selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks? That's what the Wizards forum wants. If not, what would you be willing to part with?
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Post#510 » by Wilber85 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:12 pm

itlnsunsfan wrote:
Blonde wrote:Beal would be a great fit and I’d give up a lot to get him.


Would you trade this year's pick after we make our selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks? That's what the Wizards forum wants. If not, what would you be willing to part with?


OMG the wizards forum wants it!!!!! It must mean that's what we need to give up for it. A bunch of joe smo's proposing trades from their moms basement!!!!!!

I would be open to pick swap the 1st, Include Jackson, Warren, and future pick for Beal

That would give us #8 and we get Coby White.

Keep what we have right now! Sign Mirotic

Tyler Johnson, Coby White, Melton
Booker, Bridges
Beal, Bridges
Mirotic, Bender (Sign him)
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Post#511 » by Blonde » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:13 pm

itlnsunsfan wrote:
Blonde wrote:Beal would be a great fit and I’d give up a lot to get him.


Would you trade this year's pick after we make our selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks? That's what the Wizards forum wants. If not, what would you be willing to part with?


4 of our own firsts is obviously overboard. But I believe we’re in position where we have a core 3 locked up in Booker-Bridges-Ayton and if the opportunity arises to cash in on a young star locked in for several years we should be willing to overpay. I’d offer our pick this year after we make our selection, 2020, and Mil pick in 2020 + whatever they want between Warren/Jackson/Johnson/Okobo/King. If it came down to it I’d probably sub out the Mil pick for a protected first from us if needed. Beal is that good man, top 20 player and still young.
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Post#512 » by itlnsunsfan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:18 pm

Blonde wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:
Blonde wrote:Beal would be a great fit and I’d give up a lot to get him.


Would you trade this year's pick after we make our selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks? That's what the Wizards forum wants. If not, what would you be willing to part with?


4 of our own firsts is obviously overboard. But I believe we’re in position where we have a core 3 locked up in Booker-Bridges-Ayton and if the opportunity arises to cash in on a young star locked in for several years we should be willing to overpay. I’d offer our pick this year after we make our selection, 2020, and Mil pick in 2020 + whatever they want between Warren/Jackson/Johnson/Okobo/King. If it came down to it I’d probably sub out the Mil pick for a protected first from us if needed. Beal is that good man, top 20 player and still young.


That's about where I'm at as well.
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Post#514 » by itlnsunsfan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:22 pm

Wilber85 wrote:
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Blonde wrote:Beal would be a great fit and I’d give up a lot to get him.


Would you trade this year's pick after we make our selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks? That's what the Wizards forum wants. If not, what would you be willing to part with?


OMG the wizards forum wants it!!!!! It must mean that's what we need to give up for it. A bunch of joe smo's proposing trades from their moms basement!!!!!!

I would be open to pick swap the 1st, Include Jackson, Warren, and future pick for Beal

That would give us #8 and we get Coby White.

Keep what we have right now! Sign Mirotic

Tyler Johnson, Coby White, Melton
Booker, Bridges
Beal, Bridges
Mirotic, Bender (Sign him)
Ayton, Holmes


While it doesn't represent the Wizards FO, and obviously an overpay, I think it's indicative that it would take a lot, especially with the way Beal has been playing this season.
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Post#515 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:35 pm

If either Beal or Holliday are made available the suns should have interest. I'm just not sure either will be this summer. Especially Beal he's playing the best ball of his life and looks like someone they should build around not move.

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Post#516 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:06 pm

My thoughts on what to do with our pick this year:

If available, draft Zion first and Ja Morant otherwise. If neither are available I'd try to trade down and swap picks with the Lakers for Ball and then draft Clarke.
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Post#517 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:37 pm

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itlnsunsfan wrote:
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They're probably right about that. I just don't few Beal/Booker as an ideal pairing so don't understand why we'd be the high bidder unless we're overpaying.... which is why I don't view Beal as a realistic trade target.


Brad is a good defender and averages more assists than Curry. I think he would pair well next to Booker, but I can see the counter argument that he's not a true pg.


The "x player averages more assists than curry" argument is extremely flawed. GS is built so that Curry doesn't have to be a playmaker and can be the prolific shooter he now is. Green, Iggy, Livingston are all above average playmakers and this year the offense is being ran through Cousins to an extent. Klay thompson is underrated playmaker as well. Curry literally just has to keep shooting 25 footers and they'll be succesful.


And of course Durant, who averages 5.7 apg..more than Curry. They have plenty of playmakers. Green averages over 7 assists.
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Post#519 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:39 am

itlnsunsfan wrote:
Blonde wrote:Beal would be a great fit and I’d give up a lot to get him.


Would you trade this year's pick after we make our selection, our 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks? That's what the Wizards forum wants. If not, what would you be willing to part with?

Probably not. I like Beal more than Jrue on this team but from a value standpoint (what we realistically give up in a trade), I think Jrue is definitely more bang for your buck. I don't think it would take much more than this year's pick and some mid-value asset to get Jrue whereas Beal is probably going to cost multiple 1sts.
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