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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#521 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:08 pm

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Naw. No chance. You keep thinking that though.


Lol because Tatum has shown so much promise this season


Lol imagine actually thinking you’d prefer the #2 pick to Tatum


To add, there have been 4 players ever who averaged at least 16/6/2 with a TS% above .55 at age 20:

LeBron
Magic
Durant
Webber

Tatum will be the fifth. Doncic the sixth next year, assuming gets his TS% up.

I get that he disappointed those who had unreaistic expectations on a 20 year old, but lets not be ridiculous just because we strive to be contrarian about everything.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#522 » by thelarrybirdx » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:38 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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Lol because Tatum has shown so much promise this season


Lol imagine actually thinking you’d prefer the #2 pick to Tatum


To add, there have been 4 players ever who averaged at least 16/6/2 with a TS% above .55 at age 20:

LeBron
Magic
Durant
Webber

Tatum will be the fifth. Doncic the sixth next year, assuming gets his TS% up.

I get that he disappointed those who had unreaistic expectations on a 20 year old, but lets not be ridiculous just because we strive to be contrarian about everything.


Yeah I understand he had a great rookie year. Yes, I know that he is young. But he has shown 0 improvement from last season, and in fact, I'd argue he has gotten worse. I'm not going to look into the advanced stats because I know they're worse than last season. His shot selection is up there with the worst in the league, he plays lazy defense way too often, and when he does get hot, he doesn't take advantage of it by continuing to shoot (please don't tell me this is Stevens' fault).

I understand why people still have high expectations for Tatum because like I said, his rookie season was special. I guess I'm just not as high on him as everyone else is on this board, and I don't think I'm in the minority when it comes to fans' of other teams opinions, either.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#523 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:17 pm

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SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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Lol imagine actually thinking you’d prefer the #2 pick to Tatum


To add, there have been 4 players ever who averaged at least 16/6/2 with a TS% above .55 at age 20:

LeBron
Magic
Durant
Webber

Tatum will be the fifth. Doncic the sixth next year, assuming gets his TS% up.

I get that he disappointed those who had unreaistic expectations on a 20 year old, but lets not be ridiculous just because we strive to be contrarian about everything.


Yeah I understand he had a great rookie year. Yes, I know that he is young. But he has shown 0 improvement from last season, and in fact, I'd argue he has gotten worse. I'm not going to look into the advanced stats because I know they're worse than last season. His shot selection is up there with the worst in the league, he plays lazy defense way too often, and when he does get hot, he doesn't take advantage of it by continuing to shoot (please don't tell me this is Stevens' fault).

I understand why people still have high expectations for Tatum because like I said, his rookie season was special. I guess I'm just not as high on him as everyone else is on this board, and I don't think I'm in the minority when it comes to fans' of other teams opinions, either.


Those were his stats from this season. And you are in the minority:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1818097

The #2 pick isnt even close to Tatum in terms of value by most objective fans.
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Post#524 » by bigboi » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:39 am

Where’s the moron that said Barrett is better than Zion lmao?


That said, if we’re being real. Barrett does look better than Tatum in college. If he didn’t have a tunnel vision problem, he would be much better
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Post#525 » by bucknersrevenge » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:19 am

Cam Johnson is a 5th yr senior and pretty much maxed-out on potential but he's super solid. I'll be damned if I wouldn't take a late 1st rnd or early 2nd round flyer on him. Has the chance to be a solid role player at the next level.
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Post#526 » by threrf23 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:04 am

bigboi wrote:Where’s the moron that said Barrett is better than Zion lmao?


I'm still saying that.
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Post#527 » by grindtime22 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:57 am

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That said, if we’re being real. Barrett does look better than Tatum in college. If he didn’t have a tunnel vision problem, he would be much better


I don't think he has looked much if any better than Tatum did in college. It may just be preference though. RJ has simply been willing to take every shot he possibly can, where Tatum wouldn't do the same. We know Barrett will never be passive, but he has shooting work to do before he will ever be an efficient scorer.

Tatum was 16.8 ppg on 45/34/85 56.6 TS%

Barrett is 22.9 ppg on 46/30/66 53.3 TS%

He has the tools. I think he is going to be a really good pro, but Tatum is a more sure thing IMO. They can both be maddening for opposite reasons. Tatum passes up a lot and Barrett passes up nothing. RJ has a freak to clean up any mess that his one track mind creates.
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Post#528 » by big-shot-ROB » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:26 am

My thoughts on what I've been reading lately.

- Wouldn't touch Barret with a stick at all. His defense isn't great, and the chucking mentality (along with a 66% FT) is bad. The only value he has, at least if it was my team picking, is trade value. Trade down and get another pick in the way.

- Hunter is damm solid and really underhyped. Top-5 for me. But we don't have a chance at him. High floor (Ariza like), though will need to continue to work to get to his medium potential (Otto Porter Jr.) and have a crazy development to reach mx potential (Kawhi-like).

- I'm starting to be sold on Morant, especially his passing, court awareness and leadership. But the shot looks iffy, and the frame is a real concern, he does not have wide shoulders, so I don't think he'll be able to add that much more strength and weight.

- Cam Reddish won't slip because of pure high school hype and "hyped" potential, but the guy does not even belong in the lottery.

- Bruno Fernando is a keeper. First pick we should make if he is available. The guy is a beast (greek-god built like, I stole that reference), has shot some threes with a good shooting form, is a monster on the glass, and though he is not a point guard nor Al-Horford level, last games he's executed some passes out of the post that are really interesting to see from a big his size.

- Herro will slip I think to the 20s picks. I think we should pick him up if we can. Potential to be a really good secondary creator/ball handler with great shot and had displayed a wide range of pull-ups moves that make me confident on his shot translating. Defense is a question mark, but worth the risk if you are drafting for a bench spark. Could be also Nik Stauskas thoughm where the first years in the league the athleticism and fast pace are too much for him to handle.

- In the second round there are multiple gems hidden. This year, and tied with who will declare, we might see more players establishing in the league in the second round than in the 10-20 range, specially if GMs fall in the potential freshman hype train.

- Kabangele, Konate, Thybulle, Agbaji, Okeke, Schofield, PJ Washington (I doubt he slips given his recent games), Cam Johnson would be amazing pick ups in the second round.
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Post#529 » by Roddy » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:17 am

Cam Reddish is not a lottery pick. This guy will be average at best in the NBA.

Barrett can score 20 ppg in the NBA. He is a top 3 pick for sure, behind Zion and Morant. His passing ability are very good.

I still pick Tre Jones with on of our mid-round pick. Perfect backup PG.
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Post#530 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:36 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:My thoughts on what I've been reading lately.

- Wouldn't touch Barret with a stick at all. His defense isn't great, and the chucking mentality (along with a 66% FT) is bad. The only value he has, at least if it was my team picking, is trade value. Trade down and get another pick in the way.

- Hunter is damm solid and really underhyped. Top-5 for me. But we don't have a chance at him. High floor (Ariza like), though will need to continue to work to get to his medium potential (Otto Porter Jr.) and have a crazy development to reach mx potential (Kawhi-like).

- I'm starting to be sold on Morant, especially his passing, court awareness and leadership. But the shot looks iffy, and the frame is a real concern, he does not have wide shoulders, so I don't think he'll be able to add that much more strength and weight.

- Cam Reddish won't slip because of pure high school hype and "hyped" potential, but the guy does not even belong in the lottery.

- Bruno Fernando is a keeper. First pick we should make if he is available. The guy is a beast (greek-god built like, I stole that reference), has shot some threes with a good shooting form, is a monster on the glass, and though he is not a point guard nor Al-Horford level, last games he's executed some passes out of the post that are really interesting to see from a big his size.

- Herro will slip I think to the 20s picks. I think we should pick him up if we can. Potential to be a really good secondary creator/ball handler with great shot and had displayed a wide range of pull-ups moves that make me confident on his shot translating. Defense is a question mark, but worth the risk if you are drafting for a bench spark. Could be also Nik Stauskas thoughm where the first years in the league the athleticism and fast pace are too much for him to handle.

- In the second round there are multiple gems hidden. This year, and tied with who will declare, we might see more players establishing in the league in the second round than in the 10-20 range, specially if GMs fall in the potential freshman hype train.

- Kabangele, Konate, Thybulle, Agbaji, Okeke, Schofield, PJ Washington (I doubt he slips given his recent games), Cam Johnson would be amazing pick ups in the second round.


Great post.

I am so low on Barrett, too, but see him going #2 due to his raw stats and teams needing wings. I dont see him performing well at all in the pro’s, and his selfishness is a giant red flag —during Duke’s loss to Gonzaga earlier this season, Zion didnt touch the ball over the last few minutes, largely due to Barrett, which told me everything I needed to know about him.

Reddish will go lottery and will suck in the NBA. He can kill it in an empty gym and some team needing a wing will fall in love with his pre-Duke tape and convince themselves that he was just a bad fit and got screwed by Barrett and Zion committing after him. Dude is too soft and raw and I wouldnt draft him in the first round.

Morant is going to get overhyped by people who had never seen him play [Culver too, FWIW]. His concerns still exist — hes a two foot jumper and isnt nearly as athletic off one foot and his pull-up shooting sucks. His pasing vision is what I like most and I expect him to explode in this regard when playing with better talent. Likely an unrealistic trade-up option, though I will definitely try because I think Kyrie is gone.

I love Hunter. He’s built for the NBA. Can come in day one as a 3&D and will contribute. Has some very nice upside as well. I do think we could cash in picks to trade up for him, especially if the MEM pick converts.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#531 » by sam_I_am » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:21 pm

Players I like who could fall to Celtics with luck:

Nasir Little
Rui Hashimora
Deandre Hunter
Romeo Langford
?Sekou Doumboya ( really haven’t seen him play )
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Post#532 » by bucknersrevenge » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:36 pm

Anyone watching Murray St vs FSU right now?? Game is straight fire. Ja is ballin his *** off. Really like Kabangele too. Didn't realize he was Mutombo's nephew.
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Post#533 » by grindtime22 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:56 pm

Jontay Porter tore the same ACL again

Damn, I really like his game for a big man. Usually an acl tear isn't the end of the world, but multiple tears and the family history can't be a coincidence, can it?
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#534 » by bucknersrevenge » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:09 pm

grindtime22 wrote:Jontay Porter tore the same ACL again

Damn, I really like his game for a big man. Usually an acl tear isn't the end of the world, but multiple tears and the family history can't be a coincidence, can it?


Was never a big fan of his to begin with but now you have to stay away. Check Kabengele from FSU. Better prospect IMO.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#535 » by bigboi » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:40 am

threrf23 wrote:
bigboi wrote:Where’s the moron that said Barrett is better than Zion lmao?


I'm still saying that.


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Post#536 » by Wes-J » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:51 pm

Bol Bol is by far and away the most talented fringe lottery projected player. Should be a no brainer should we get the chance.

Some combo of Bol Bol and Little/Dombouya/Hachimura/White would be a coup all things considering.
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Post#537 » by grindtime22 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:23 am

Are there any public sites with advanced stats for college basketball? I am looking for shot tracking, stats by play type kind of stuff. You always see these stats in the youtube scouting videos. This guy shoots 38% on spot up 3s, etc. The NBA stats are readily available on nba.com. Does somebody have these college stats behind a paywall somewhere?
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Post#538 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:40 pm

grindtime22 wrote:Are there any public sites with advanced stats for college basketball? I am looking for shot tracking, stats by play type kind of stuff. You always see these stats in the youtube scouting videos. This guy shoots 38% on spot up 3s, etc. The NBA stats are readily available on nba.com. Does somebody have these college stats behind a paywall somewhere?


Hoop-math and sports-reference are two of the better free sites.
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Post#539 » by thelarrybirdx » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:37 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Players I like who could fall to Celtics with luck:

Nasir Little
Rui Hashimora
Deandre Hunter
Romeo Langford
?Sekou Doumboya ( really haven’t seen him play )


As a realistic target, I'd really enjoy Reddish. I'd package the SAC, LAC, and BOS pick to move up to draft him.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#540 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:56 pm

thelarrybirdx wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Players I like who could fall to Celtics with luck:

Nasir Little
Rui Hashimora
Deandre Hunter
Romeo Langford
?Sekou Doumboya ( really haven’t seen him play )


As a realistic target, I'd really enjoy Reddish. I'd package the SAC, LAC, and BOS pick to move up to draft him.


i guess the 3 picks should be enough to move us to the 5-8 range. He's another SF/PF(more PF tho) and I think that if we don't go for Davis we gonna need to find a PG, regardless of Kyrie staying or going. If we draft Reddish and we don't trade 1 or 2 of Tatum/Brown/Hayward, we'd have 4 SFs on the team again next year.
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.

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