2019 NBA Draft Prep

Post #1881 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:57 pm

Nathan2331 wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:King Ken ur boy Clarke with 36 and 8!!!! Yikes! I’ll be the first to admit I didn’t think he could ever score 36 in a college game, at least not in the tourney. I didn’t think he had that type of offense.

Hachi was quiet and Clarke went off!

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I saw a lot of bad defense in that game. Clarke is a solid player, but he will never see 30+ in the NBA. Hard time believing he will do that again in the tourney.
His defense is legit though. I'm not a fan of the idea of Collins at center, but if you are, Clarke would be a great fit defensively if you can't get Zion.

I'm noticing that there are a number of defensive big men who would pair great with Trae...but not so much with Collins.

That's what makes it so tough to solidify out front court.

Brandon Clarke is a beast, though.

Fun fact: 2 years ago, at San Jose State, he was playing SG!!!

Post #1882 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:58 pm

Cam Reddish's game is so smooth.

So much talent...

Post #1883 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:03 pm

Zion is gonna struggle against length in the NBA.

Not against the Dedmons of the world but against Giannis, Embiid, Anthony Davis, Marc Gasol, Mitchell Robinson, Hassan Whiteside, etc.

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Geaux_Hawks · Post #1884 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:32 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Cam Reddish's game is so smooth.

So much talent...

I think he makes too much sense. Get him out of that clogged offense at Duke and let him actually work.

Indyhawks26 · Post #1885 » by **Indyhawks26** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:31 am

I would take Dawkins over Reddish. I know I sound nuts but I was really impressed with Dawkins. Taco Fall he'll play in the NBA. He just can change the dynamics of a game so much at 7 ft 6. I know there have been the Shawn Bradley's,Bols etc etc.. but Taco is a solid 300 plus pounds. Can't teach 7 ft 6 probably won't be a starter a team can play him part time and he can effect the game.

Nathan2331 · Post #1886 » by **Nathan2331** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:42 am

Indyhawks26 wrote:I would take Dawkins over Reddish. I know I sound nuts but I was really impressed with Dawkins. Taco Fall he'll play in the NBA. He just can change the dynamics of a game so much at 7 ft 6. I know there have been the Shawn Bradley's,Bols etc etc.. but Taco is a solid 300 plus pounds. Can't teach 7 ft 6 probably won't be a starter a team can play him part time and he can effect the game.

If Edy couldn't survive, I doubt Fall will. Doesn't move well enough.

King Ken · Post #1887 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:39 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
Nathan2331 wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:
I saw a lot of bad defense in that game. Clarke is a solid player, but he will never see 30+ in the NBA. Hard time believing he will do that again in the tourney.
His defense is legit though. I'm not a fan of the idea of Collins at center, but if you are, Clarke would be a great fit defensively if you can't get Zion.

I'm noticing that there are a number of defensive big men who would pair great with Trae...but not so much with Collins.

That's what makes it so tough to solidify out front court.

Brandon Clarke is a beast, though.

Fun fact: 2 years ago, at San Jose State, he was playing SG!!!

Clarke can defend the wing at the next level at an elite clip

King Ken · Post #1888 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:42 am

Indyhawks26 wrote:I would take Dawkins over Reddish. I know I sound nuts but I was really impressed with Dawkins. Taco Fall he'll play in the NBA. He just can change the dynamics of a game so much at 7 ft 6. I know there have been the Shawn Bradley's,Bols etc etc.. but Taco is a solid 300 plus pounds. Can't teach 7 ft 6 probably won't be a starter a team can play him part time and he can effect the game.

Dawkins? Naw, he will be an UFA. I am not sure he comes out. He is not on any draft boards and he is 23 and will be 24 before the season starts. I am not sure it would make sense. He is likely never getting drafted. Might as well develop yourself till you are ready to contribute ASAP.

King Ken · Post #1889 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:44 am

Nathan2331 wrote:
Indyhawks26 wrote:I would take Dawkins over Reddish. I know I sound nuts but I was really impressed with Dawkins. Taco Fall he'll play in the NBA. He just can change the dynamics of a game so much at 7 ft 6. I know there have been the Shawn Bradley's,Bols etc etc.. but Taco is a solid 300 plus pounds. Can't teach 7 ft 6 probably won't be a starter a team can play him part time and he can effect the game.
If Edy couldn't survive, I doubt Fall will. Doesn't move well enough.

Fall is much bigger and longer. 10 ft standing reach and a 8ft 4in wingspan. He doesn't have a grade but I wouldn't be surprised if teams look at him in SL.

King Ken · Post #1890 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:45 am

Jamaaliver wrote:Zion is gonna struggle against length in the NBA.

Not against the Dedmons of the world but against Giannis, Embiid, Anthony Davis, Marc Gasol, Mitchell Robinson, Hassan Whiteside, etc.

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Terrible comparison. So which players have a 8'4 wingspan and a 10ft standing reach and is over 300 pounds

observer1995 · Post #1891 » by **observer1995** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:47 am

If Collins can figure out how to defend without fouling, you don't have to pair a shotblocker with him, and personally, I'd prefer to take him out of defending in space. He is a bad defender in space and could be fine at the rim.

And nah, even if it hasn't shown this year, he can block shots well. It seems as if he chose to not try on defense as hard because the offense needed him badly. Last 8 games, he's been trying more on defense and while he's blocking shots more, it's also led to his fouling issue reappearing.

So his make or break is going to be figuring it out on defense without fouls.

Nathan2331 · Post #1892 » by **Nathan2331** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:51 am

King Ken wrote:
Nathan2331 wrote:
Indyhawks26 wrote:I would take Dawkins over Reddish. I know I sound nuts but I was really impressed with Dawkins. Taco Fall he'll play in the NBA. He just can change the dynamics of a game so much at 7 ft 6. I know there have been the Shawn Bradley's,Bols etc etc.. but Taco is a solid 300 plus pounds. Can't teach 7 ft 6 probably won't be a starter a team can play him part time and he can effect the game.
If Edy couldn't survive, I doubt Fall will. Doesn't move well enough.

Fall is much bigger and longer. 10 ft standing reach and a 8ft 4in wingspan. He doesn't have a grade but I wouldn't be surprised if teams look at him in SL.

I'm sure he'll get a shot, and he deserves one, I just don't think it'll work out for him. I hope I'm wrong though. I thought Edy should've stuck around for longer than the Hawks tried to make him work.

Regarding Brandon Clarke, if his perimeter defense is elite along with his help defense, why isn't he more highly regarded. It seems like he should be getting more consideration from us, all he's missing is shooting and playmaking.

King Ken · Post #1893 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:02 am

Nathan2331 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Nathan2331 wrote:If Edy couldn't survive, I doubt Fall will. Doesn't move well enough.

Fall is much bigger and longer. 10 ft standing reach and a 8ft 4in wingspan. He doesn't have a grade but I wouldn't be surprised if teams look at him in SL.
I'm sure he'll get a shot, and he deserves one, I just don't think it'll work out for him. I hope I'm wrong though. I thought Edy should've stuck around for longer than the Hawks tried to make him work.

Regarding Brandon Clarke, if his perimeter defense is elite along with his help defense, why isn't he more highly regarded. It seems like he should be getting more consideration from us, all he's missing is shooting and playmaking.

He is highly regarded. He is in a numbers of top 10-15 lists which means A LOT for a 22 year old. The issue with Clarke is, his NBA position that I believe he is, he has to transition into as far as shooting is concerned. But his defense is ready. He will be a Day 1 impact on the defensive end. A high end blend of DMC and Shawn Marion.

A number of people want to put him at 4 or 5 and I don't believe it's going to happen. He is 6'8 215 and that's his max weight. He is a 3 as far as the NBA is concerned.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/brandon-clarke

Fall will get chances, especially on teams who like to drop bigs in coverage like Philly, Utah, Denver, etc. A pacey team that likes to space like us would have no interest in him.

Indyhawks26 · Post #1894 » by **Indyhawks26** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:04 am

Wow had no idea Dawkins was that much older. He still showed up and could knock shots down. He'll get a shot at the NBA.

Indyhawks26 · Post #1895 » by **Indyhawks26** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:08 am

How about Bol bol alot of teams rank him in top 12His height the ability to block shots and stroke it from outside would be a gamble with alot of payoff. Culver is playing well looks like he's boosting his stock Hunter not so much.

King Ken · Post #1896 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:36 am

Indyhawks26 wrote:How about Bol bol alot of teams rank him in top 12His height the ability to block shots and stroke it from outside would be a gamble with alot of payoff. Culver is playing well looks like he's boosting his stock Hunter not so much.

Watched TTU tonight, wasn't impressed again in Culver. I didn't watch his masterpiece in the 1st round. Hopefully I can soon.

Hunter is what he is. A very high end role player who will make an impact ASAP but still needs more development. Doesn't have star or superstar potential.

Bol Bol talent, ability and skill is top 5. He is in my top 5 prospects. But it's the other parts of the game both on and off the court that are troublesome for Bol.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #1897 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:40 am

Yeah Culver isn't that impressive to me. I've seen a bigger Caris Lavert thrown out as comparison. Lavert isn't overly spectacular himself. I think Hunter has more upside than him, and I'm not a huge fan of drafting Hunter top 10 either.

Post #1898 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:01 am

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Night Traen · Post #1899 » by **Night Traen** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:03 am

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King Ken · Post #1900 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:04 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Yeah Culver isn't that impressive to me. I've seen a bigger Caris Lavert thrown out as comparison. Lavert isn't overly spectacular himself. I think Hunter has more upside than him, and I'm not a huge fan of drafting Hunter top 10 either.

We have to remember, outside of the three PGs, (Morant, Garland and White) there aren't a lot of 5-10 talent like last year.

This is your top 5:
Zion, R.J, Morant, Bol and Reddish. The PGs like Garland and White. Outside of that. You have Clarke who has all star potential.

After that, who else has All Star potential, idk? Maybe Langford. Maybe Okpala, Bassey or Little. This is a tremendous draft class as of now. Maybe the best Senior and upperclassman class we have had since the 90s. But this draft is low on All Star level potential. I am happy that college coaches are prepping their upperclassmen for the NBA now. It makes evaluating much better.

The depth in this class is insane. The amount of potential rotation players even that won't get drafted is high end. The NCAA is in a good place and you see it while watching the games. But man, the lack of high after the top 5 and the PGs is damning.

What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?