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Political Roundtable Part XXV

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Post#781 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:10 am

Nate 33, monste, and I are the only posters that have been correct this entire time!!! The 3 of us are the only ones that have had president trumps back on this the entire time. The 3 of us never promulgated these lies to the american people. we are the only patriots in this thread. :D

and everyone here knows it. every single one of you bought the collusion lie or you actively attempted to wish it into existed. Everyone here besides nate 33, monste, and myself. We can go back and quote every single one of you to a man. but why...you all know who you are. Extremely partisan hacks or liars or both. Thank God that Nate33, Monste, and myself have been here to tell the truth!!! True americans! That value honest reporting and relaying of truth!!!

If the rest of you guys had an honest bone in your body you would all come out like 90% of the pundits on CNN for the past 3 hours who have called this a massive victory for the president. and that mueller's report is crystal clear: "no collusion. no conspiracy."

and each of you know there is nothing there. But what you want is to keep driving interest in investigating trump in the high hopes that you keep finding more and more and more and more and more to bludgeon him....death of a thousand little paper cuts and keep driving negative coverage.

^^^^all of which is fine....i could care less. But just say so. Why do you guys insist on lying to each and pretending that you actually think trump obstructed.

No underlying crime? then there can be no obstruction. simple logic. The president (of all people) is allowed to defend himself politically and publically and as loud as he wishes espeically when a vicious 2 year lie is casted upon him by the political opposition that was in power!!!! . <--i hope and pray the the initiation of this investigation is fully investigated.

nate33 and I specifically brought you all of this information correctly for 2 years!!! We had better information and used better logic than all of you. All of you would be better served listening to nate33 and I more often. Our politicians and journalists and their sources are more honest and accurate. :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXV 

Post#782 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:16 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXV 

Post#783 » by dckingsfan » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:20 am

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Pointgod wrote:I’d argue that the Republican Party in its current iteration needs to be destroyed and burned to the ground, then rebuilt into something else. So yes I want to see Republicans get crushed at all levels of government for their own good.

And it’s ridiculous to claim that the GND is worse for the country than Trump. As it stands it’s a very broad policy proposal not actually proposed law. I’d expect that the details hammered out and flaws that you see in the GND will be addressed when it can be realistically passed.

Well, this proves my point in two ways. First, "destroy the other side" and a willful ignorance of the GND proposal and how it sets back CCUS and mitigation to chase something that is unachievable (kind of like the wall).

The moderates of both parties need to step in and subdue the irrationality. If someone from one party actually has a discussion with someone from the other party that is a good thing - those that immediately call out that person for "conspiring with the enemy" need to be berated.

If you believe that we need to have a dialog about global warming and climate change, well, you are going to need Rs to get it done. If the Ds take back POTUS in 2020, it is highly unlikely they will grab the senate:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-senate-will-be-competitive-again-in-2020-but-republicans-are-favored/

And you don't do that by making a proposal like the GND. Where you ignore two thirds of the solution and set a panic timeline.

All though it’s not an actual policy proposal I’m happy to discuss the GND in separate conversation thread.

As for the Republican Party, yes I stand by what I said. It needs to be destroyed and rebuilt into something else. It’s become the party of Trump and they’ve continually put politics and party over country and done everything to subvert Democracy. Everything from gerrymandering, voter supression (see Georgia and Florida) and outright voter fraud (see North Carolina) and hamstringing Democratically elected officials (see Wisconsin). IMO the reason the party needs to be destroyed on all levels of government is to send a clear message that their corruption and subversion of Democracy can’t be rewarded. Imagine the precedent it sets of Trump gets re-elected and Republicans don’t get wiped out country wide? It’s a signal that corruption is accepted and they can literally do whatever they want because there are no consequences. And this doesn’t just set the precedent for future Republican Presidents, why would a Democratic President and Congress follow the rule of law and Democratic norms when the voters have signalled it doesn’t matter. Want to make money off the Presidency? Doesn’t matter because Trump did it. Want to appoint Supreme Court justices that will personally protect your interests? Obstruct Justice why not? As long as Congress has your back why bother with Democracy? If you want to save the patient cut off the rot and that rot begins with the current Republican Party.

You have some solid points... but, IMO the GND is material. We are going to replace Trump with some type of ideology - if you want to call it a manifesto that rivals MAGA, fine. Both are equal hack jobs IMO. Net Zero CO2 in 10 years or the Wall - I can't really tell which is the bigger redirect.

But your second paragraph basically says - you don't care where we go as long as Trump and the Rs are wiped out. I have no problem with the latter - but I want to see a reasonable direction on the former before I go full up and down the ticket. If the GND is the direction of the Ds - then I will continue to pick candidate by candidate.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXV 

Post#785 » by closg00 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:31 am

gtn130 wrote:We haven’t seen the report and Barr is a partisan hand-picked to end the investigation. I never thought Mueller would take down Trump but this four page letter today contains very little of substance.


Exactly, Barr was responsible for the Iran/Contra pardons and he got to be AG by penning a piece attacking the investigation. I don't trust him with Mueller's evidence/report.
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Post#786 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:42 am

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Post#787 » by closg00 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:43 am

All that we have is Barr's summary of Mueller's work, it also appears that Mueller punted to Barr on obstruction. Now we'll see if Barr releases the full report, if he doesn't....
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Post#788 » by closg00 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:45 am

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Post#789 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:46 am

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gtn130 wrote:We haven’t seen the report and Barr is a partisan hand-picked to end the investigation. I never thought Mueller would take down Trump but this four page letter today contains very little of substance.


Exactly, Barr was responsible for the Iran/Contra pardons and he got to be AG by penning a piece attacking the investigation. I don't trust him with Mueller's evidence/report.


:( :( I am happy for trump and supporters of him like myself but i am sincerely concerned about the well being of those who continue to insist that trump colluded. so i must ask, bro, are you ok today? Sincerely. :( :(
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXV 

Post#790 » by closg00 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:10 am

STD, I want to see Mueller's report, not Barr's summary of Mueller's work. Given how Barr became AG, pardon me if I don't take his word.
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Post#791 » by closg00 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:25 am

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Post#792 » by closg00 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:30 am

The House determines questions of Presidential abuse of power, not his AG.
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Post#793 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:42 am

closg00 wrote:STD, I want to see Mueller's report, not Barr's summary of Mueller's work. Given how Barr became AG, pardon me if I don't take his word.



totally understand. If when you see the mueller report will you accept it if it says "no american conspired or colluded with russians"?

Until then will you accept the AG summary that quotes the mueller report directly and immediately stop promulgating lies that Trump colluded? Like, for example, will you stop posting seth ambramson conspiracy theories like you have posted almost daily for 2 years??
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Post#795 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:22 am

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Post#797 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:29 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXV 

Post#798 » by TGW » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:49 am

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Maybe Rachel Maddow, Shiff and Melber can focus on more important things, although I doubt it. The grift isn't completed yet...keep milking it until the tit is dry.
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Post#799 » by TGW » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:51 am

closg00 wrote:STD, I want to see Mueller's report, not Barr's summary of Mueller's work. Given how Barr became AG, pardon me if I don't take his word.


Seriously man? He literally takes verbage from the report:

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"

Unless he totally made that statement up, these are the findings of the report. IDK where-else the russiagaters can go with this.
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