Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months

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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#161 » by sule » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:11 am

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A Medical Doctor is a person with a doctorate in the field of Medicine. That could include an MD, DPT, DVM.....

To say they are equivalent to a Doctor of Philosophy may qualify as the stupidest thing posted on this board. Given you are based in Turkey it’s not a surprise.


No.


Love how the Canadians and Turks are commenting on how the US healthcare system works.


I'm a Canadian working and trained in the U.S. Healthcare system. I know a thing or two about how it works and each specialties' role.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#162 » by knuckles862 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:26 am

I like how the fan boys keep saying "everyone keeps forgetting we were the 4th seed before the injury" how can we forget it's been said a million times :crazy:
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#163 » by Sactowndog » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:35 am

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No.


Love how the Canadians and Turks are commenting on how the US healthcare system works.


I'm a Canadian working and trained in the U.S. Healthcare system. I know a thing or two about how it works and each specialties' role.


True I meant to say a doctorate in Medicine as opposed to a Doctorate in humanities which is a PHD in Philosohy
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#164 » by carlquincy » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:21 am

As a Lakers fan, IDGAF.

The season is lost when Lebron, then followed by Lonzo went down.

Just come back next year stronger.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#165 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:41 am

clyde21 wrote:Steph had the same exact injury earlier this season and it was six weeks


And steph hasn't looked the same as before it post injury either...

Throw in Steph isn't 34 nor does he have as much muscle on his frame.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#166 » by magicman1978 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:07 am

I thought he was diagnosed with a grade 2 strain. Recovery from a grade 3 (complete tear) might be 6 months for us mere mortals, but for pro athletes, its usually a lot less. There was a clinical study done on NFL players who had complete tears and the recovery ranged from 4-12 weeks.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#167 » by clyde21 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:27 am

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clyde21 wrote:Steph had the same exact injury earlier this season and it was six weeks


And steph hasn't looked the same as before it post injury either...

Throw in Steph isn't 34 nor does he have as much muscle on his frame.


okay? doesn't seem like a '6 month injury' either way.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#168 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:38 am

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clyde21 wrote:Steph had the same exact injury earlier this season and it was six weeks


And steph hasn't looked the same as before it post injury either...

Throw in Steph isn't 34 nor does he have as much muscle on his frame.


okay? doesn't seem like a '6 month injury' either way.


I mean come on, these are nba athletes using the best "tools" they can. Clearly 6 months isn't the norm for these guys. I'm sure she's doing a bit of marketing for both of them, but directionally I think it's clear both aren't 100% and lebron being older and bigger makes it all the worse.

I mean look we can all smell some BS, but there's plenty of truth here too.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#169 » by Jaqua92 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:43 am

Don't be naive peeps. This is just a narrative push and legacy damage control, this comes out shortly after the Lakers officially are out of playoff running? LeBron...who came into the garden reading a self help book in the ECF?

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Post#170 » by Jedi32 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:43 am

knuckles862 wrote:I like how the fan boys keep saying "everyone keeps forgetting we were the 4th seed before the injury" how can we forget it's been said a million times :crazy:

lol on realgm does stating facts = being a fanboy :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#171 » by clyde21 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:49 am

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And steph hasn't looked the same as before it post injury either...

Throw in Steph isn't 34 nor does he have as much muscle on his frame.


okay? doesn't seem like a '6 month injury' either way.


I mean come on, these are nba athletes using the best "tools" they can. Clearly 6 months isn't the norm for these guys. I'm sure she's doing a bit of marketing for both of them, but directionally I think it's clear both aren't 100% and lebron being older and bigger makes it all the worse.

I mean look we can all smell some BS, but there's plenty of truth here too.


of course he's not a 100%, but that's completely different than being a '6 month injury'. being cleared to play and being 100% are two different things.

also, why does this even matter? I seem to remember all the LeBron guys saying us Warriors fans were using 'excuses' when we pointed out that Steph wasn't 100% in the 2016 POs...and he had sustained FOUR different injuries.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#172 » by RakimAbdulJabar » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:28 am

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knuckles862 wrote:I like how the fan boys keep saying "everyone keeps forgetting we were the 4th seed before the injury" how can we forget it's been said a million times :crazy:

lol on realgm does stating facts = being a fanboy :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:


Maybe there could be some context placed on that piece of information because it really doesn't mean much to be in 4th place just 30 games into the season.

The Lakers were 20-14 followed by
Clippers 19-14
Blazers 19-15
Rockets 18-15
Kings 18-15

The Spurs were just outside the playoff picture at 18-16

So the difference between being 4th and not being in the playoffs was being 6 games over .500 vs being 2 games over .500

Not exactly some insurmountable crazy position they were in

Then you look at the teams they'd beaten at that point, less than half their wins were against teams in the top 8 at the time

Suns x 2
Mavs x 2
Blazers x 2
Heat x 2
Cavs
Wolves
Kings
Hawks
Grizzlies
Hornets
Pelicans
Jazz
Pacers
Nuggets
Spurs
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#173 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:04 am

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okay? doesn't seem like a '6 month injury' either way.


I mean come on, these are nba athletes using the best "tools" they can. Clearly 6 months isn't the norm for these guys. I'm sure she's doing a bit of marketing for both of them, but directionally I think it's clear both aren't 100% and lebron being older and bigger makes it all the worse.

I mean look we can all smell some BS, but there's plenty of truth here too.


of course he's not a 100%, but that's completely different than being a '6 month injury'. being cleared to play and being 100% are two different things.

also, why does this even matter? I seem to remember all the LeBron guys saying us Warriors fans were using 'excuses' when we pointed out that Steph wasn't 100% in the 2016 POs...and he had sustained FOUR different injuries.


Not sure why you're directing that last part at me. I've said Curry was injured 10,000 times here in response to the silly crap he's taken. But for consistency lebron looks like he's playing hurt to me too. I'm a huge fan of curry and I legit can't STAND lebron as a player, but the guy's hurt. I honestly don't know why he's playing and yeah when you're 280 and a freak injuries don't impact results as much but they also don't heal as fast.

I also already agreed that for nba players it isn't a 6 month thing, but it VERY likely is for the average guy with such an injury...who also is likely NOT as young as lebron, as genetically gifted as him, and doesn't have time for all the PT because they have a job. The 6 months is also likely for 100% recovery and guess what...injuries take sometimes years if not decades for them to go away for us normal folk. I still have back pain from god knows what I did when i was 19 and learning how to squat and that was more than a few years ago...
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#174 » by michaelm » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:31 am

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clyde21 wrote:
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I mean come on, these are nba athletes using the best "tools" they can. Clearly 6 months isn't the norm for these guys. I'm sure she's doing a bit of marketing for both of them, but directionally I think it's clear both aren't 100% and lebron being older and bigger makes it all the worse.

I mean look we can all smell some BS, but there's plenty of truth here too.


of course he's not a 100%, but that's completely different than being a '6 month injury'. being cleared to play and being 100% are two different things.

also, why does this even matter? I seem to remember all the LeBron guys saying us Warriors fans were using 'excuses' when we pointed out that Steph wasn't 100% in the 2016 POs...and he had sustained FOUR different injuries.


Not sure why you're directing that last part at me. I've said Curry was injured 10,000 times here in response to the silly crap he's taken. But for consistency lebron looks like he's playing hurt to me too. I'm a huge fan of curry and I legit can't STAND lebron as a player, but the guy's hurt. I honestly don't know why he's playing and yeah when you're 280 and a freak injuries don't impact results as much but they also don't heal as fast.

I also already agreed that for nba players it isn't a 6 month thing, but it VERY likely is for the average guy with such an injury...who also is likely NOT as young as lebron, as genetically gifted as him, and doesn't have time for all the PT because they have a job. The 6 months is also likely for 100% recovery and guess what...injuries take sometimes years if not decades for them to go away for us normal folk. I still have back pain from god knows what I did when i was 19 and learning how to squat and that was more than a few years ago...

Absolutely agree. I am no fan of the LeBron industry or of the style of basketball he has mostly played, although he appears to be one of the more decent billionaires in the world off court, but he is freakishly athletic and a great player, is obviously playing injured and to suggest that he has suddenly become a bad player particularly given his form was fine prior to the injury is ludicrous.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#175 » by Baski » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:51 am

infinite11285 wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...

A PT takes it upon herself to post about LeBron's injury that caused him to miss a month of playing time, and that gets contorted into LeBron making excuses for a bad season?

What?


Par for the course. LeBron is basically the Anunnaki's herald preparing the earth for their inevitable descent to these people
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Post#176 » by Wallace_Wallace » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:52 am

knuckles862 wrote:I like how the fan boys keep saying "everyone keeps forgetting we were the 4th seed before the injury" how can we forget it's been said a million times :crazy:


Just wanted to make sure you see it for the a 1,000,001st time..............The Lakers were the 4th seed before LeBron's injury :lol:
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#177 » by Flash17 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:15 pm

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Impuniti wrote:Weren't they 2 games away from 8th then?


So seeds are less telling if there are a lesser amount of games between one and the next sequentially lower seed? If so, please lay out the acceptable amount of games needed between each seed for that seed to be considered legit.

You nerds will do anything to push your agenda against LeBron, wow.

Seek therapy if my post actually bothers you. That early into the season when you're 2 games away from being out of the playoffs and listing something as a positive is laughable.


Seek therapy if you want to act like such a clown behind a computer screen.
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#178 » by VinBaker6 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:31 pm

If this is true then Curry was hurt in 2016 and LeBron's biggest accomplishment comes with an asterisk.

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Post#179 » by G35 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:02 pm

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Yes a DPT legally can based on signs and symptoms. Technically it’s an estimate because grade is based on amount of damage to the tissue. But most often is used as an estimate cus they won’t MRI every small soft tissue injury.


No one is going to a physical therapist right after straining a muscle or any other severe injury. The Lakers did not send Lebron to see a DPT.

Do you think Kawhi went to see a DPT when he didn't agree with the Spurs doctors assessment.

This is trolling. A PT is post-assessment not initial.....


Not trolling. The role of the DPT has changed. At this point I have tried to patiently explain the difference and have provided answers to the questions. But clearly you don’t care to learn and think you know it all.


First I will give you some advice, do not take what anyone says online as gospel, including myself. Everyone, including you, has an agenda.

Second, you have provided zero reference support for your claims other than your "say so" which means exactly nothing.

Third, a quick Google search of Doctor of Physical Therapy shows on the first page of results that it is an "entry level" degree, which I agree with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Physical_Therapy

In the United States, a Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) degree is an entry-level professional degree. A DPT is a practitioner who is educated in many areas of rehabilitation. However, a Doctor of Physical Therapy is not a physician and cannot prescribe medications.


The Wiki page continues with a controversy concerning the usage of "Doctor" in the DPT degree:

The use of the title doctor by physical therapists and other non-physician health care professionals is controversial.[26] In a letter to The New York Times, the president of the American Physical Therapy Association responded:

"To provide accurate information to consumers, the American Physical Therapy Association has taken a proactive approach and provides clear guidelines for physical therapists regarding the use of the title "Doctor." These guidelines state that physical therapists, in all clinical settings, who hold a Doctor of Physical Therapy degree (DPT) shall indicate they are physical therapists when using the title "Doctor" or "Dr," and shall use the titles in accord with jurisdictional law."[27]

In 2007, the DPT degree has been described as an example of "credential creep" or degree inflation in The Chronicle of Higher Education. Citing concerns that the DPT, and similar professional doctorates in areas such as occupational therapy, do not meet the standards of traditional doctorate degrees, the journal states: "The six-and-a-half-year doctor of physical therapy, or DPT, is rapidly replacing a six-year master's degree ... The American Physical Therapy Association ... has not set separate requirements for doctoral programs. To be accredited they need only to meet the same requirements as master's programs."



Other concerns with using "Doctor" is those who obtained PT degrees before the recent changes:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/physical-therapy-degrees-2696238

But My PT Has a Master's or Bachelors Degree
Your physical therapist may hold a degree that is not a doctorate level degree. Why? Because although the current requirement is that physical therapists obtain a doctorate level degree to sit for licensure, there is a grandfather clause that allows PTs who earned degrees prior to the doctorate requirement to continue to practice under their current degree and license. The transitional doctorate level degree for them is encouraged, but it is not required to remain in practice as a physical therapist.


This addresses your claims the career field has changed:

https://programs.online.utica.edu/articles/the-movement-toward-doctors-in-physical-therapy

Increasing Responsibilities
Over time, physical therapists have earned more responsibilities in health care systems. Beyond aiding patients with injuries or issues in mobility, P.T.s are acting as consultants, educators, and administrators. As the P.T. role is constantly expanding, the necessity for continued education is growing as reported by the APTA. Post Professional DPT degree coursework provides students with the skills they need to succeed in a variety of health care settings and hold a more prominent role in patient care.



https://blog.rehabselect.net/physiatrist-vs-physical-therapist-5-major-differences

Education
The first major difference between physiatrists and physical therapists is their medical training. A physiatrist is a licensed, board-certified medical doctor who has completed medical school and a required internship and residency. A physical therapist completes a three-year post-graduate degree in physical therapy and must earn their certification.

While both medical providers know the body’s musculoskeletal system inside and out, a physiatrist’s more extensive training gives them even greater in-depth knowledge about the structure and function of the human body. They also have an intimate understanding about how the nervous, cardiovascular, and other systems affect the musculoskeletal system.

As physical medicine and rehabilitation practitioners, physiatrists also have the ability to prescribe medication and perform additional non-surgical therapies like injections, which physical therapists don’t have. Physical therapists use advanced tools like traction and transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS), but they must refer you to your physiatrist who can administer prescription-level therapies. If you have complicated medical needs, you'll appreciate having a physiatrist at hand.

Role
A physiatrist takes the leading role in diagnosing, treating, and managing musculoskeletal issues. Your MD designs a comprehensive treatment plan based on their findings, oversees its execution, and assesses its effectiveness. They check in with you and your physical therapist at intervals during your inpatient stay to make sure their plan is working.

Your physical therapist is responsible for executing the treatment plan provided by your physiatrist. During physical therapy sessions, you can expect to perform the bulk of the actual physical rehabilitation techniques including specialized exercises and hands-on procedures.



I don't know why you are fighting this, but as I said, you have provided no support for your claims other than you are trolling......
I'm so tired of the typical......
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Re: Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months 

Post#180 » by Hindenburg » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:24 pm

If the Lakers miss the playoffs next year too, are we going to have another random physio girl come out and say "recovery should have taken 6 years, not 6 months"? :lol:

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