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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#1921 » by King Ken » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:51 pm

observer1995 wrote:I watched some good Reddish games to refresh my memory last night and this morning (since I can zone completely out with blowouts) and honestly, I hate to say it but the overall role I see there would not be too much different than the theoretical role with the Hawks. It’s not the role that some have told me to try to defend him (bail out threes mainly), it looks like his main role is to move off the basketball for jumpers (2’s and 3’s), attack closeouts, and threes and running to the basket for layups in transition.

Outside of adding occasional cuts to the basket and maybe the mystique of “more space in the NBA game”, I see no reason to expect there to be more to his role with the Hawks. There’s always a time for a first with the case I’ve posted about a couple times, and he could work out in the NBA, but I see the better defensive version of Batum with less passing, if he pans out to anything at all. Something like 15-18 PPG/5 REB/2.5 AST on 43-45% FG/35-38% 3PT/78-82% FT. Not 22+ PPG.

He did play well yesterday when he wasn’t out due to fouls, I’ll give credit for that, and I was watching, but I think I was focusing a lot more on UCF because of the mystique of Fall (although he’s unlikely to be an NBA player).

If any freshman is the “next PG13” from this year, I think it’s Louis King, but he might not come out until after 19/20. I just started learning about him in the past week or so, and he’s interesting but raw.

This deal with Reddish is incredibly interesting though. Chris Kirschner has said the Hawks like him, but Schlenk came from GSW and they usually drafted production, not potential. Does he choose to ignore him being underwhelming? Or does he go off of that production being a bit frightening and bypass him?

Every move we have seen as been based on potential for Senlenk and his PDS types for wings and guards.
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Post#1922 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:38 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:Reddish is possibly the most skilled offensive player in this draft. For real.



He clearly doesn't have 1st round skills. Even 2nd round skills...



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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#1923 » by jayu70 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:42 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Reddish is possibly the most skilled offensive player in this draft. For real.



He clearly doesn't have 1st round skills. Even 2nd round skills...



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I think he misspoke......riiight?
Pick #1 or pick#2 perhaps????
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Post#1924 » by jayu70 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:44 pm

saloonyk8 wrote:Marvin Williams had tons of potential

Unrealized potential. Marvin wasn't a basketball fan, it just seems he was just good at it so he played.
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Post#1925 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:45 pm

Isn't Marvin still in the NBA?
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Post#1927 » by Spud2nique » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:49 pm

jayu70 wrote:
saloonyk8 wrote:Marvin Williams had tons of potential

Unrealized potential. Marvin wasn't a basketball fan, it just seems he was just good at it so he played.


He never watched a game as a kid. RED FLAG!
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Post#1928 » by Spud2nique » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:50 pm

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Post#1929 » by kg01 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:52 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Isn't Marvin still in the NBA?


You don't draft somebody at #2 for his claim-to-fame to be "... still in the NBA."

Shiiii, Zaza is "still in the NBA". Shiiiiiiiiiiiii, Jimmer is (technically) "still in the NBA".
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Post#1930 » by kg01 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:14 pm

Ooh Tim Legler on the Duke guys, draft ...

Zion - top pick although has no shot, can't/won't be able to shoot 3's at next level. Set-shot, no extension/elevation. works on college level because guys are scared he'll dunk on them.

RJ Barrett - There's like 7-8 RJ Barretts in the league right now. (Described him as a dime-a-dozen type)

Reddish - Meh, mid 1st rounder. Not sure what he can be because, right now, he's living off crumbs left by Zion/RJ

Morant - Can't miss prospect
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Post#1931 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:17 pm

^Yowza. Those be some 'hot takes'.
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Post#1932 » by jayu70 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:17 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Isn't Marvin still in the NBA?

Unfortunately, he should have been more that his longevity.
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Post#1933 » by kg01 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:20 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:^Yowza. Those be some 'hot takes'.


I should say that he explained himself much better than I was able to convey in my post. I didn't disagree with much he said.
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Post#1934 » by King Ken » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:20 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Reddish is possibly the most skilled offensive player in this draft. For real.



He clearly doesn't have 1st round skills. Even 2nd round skills...



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We might have a different take on what skill and talent is.

Talent for me is the ability to do something naturally.

This is pure talent, not many can do this:

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Now he can't do this consistently whatsoever but the fact that it's in his bag is more than enough something to keep an eye on. It's only a skill in my eyes if this is something he is consistently doing.

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This is probably my favorite clip, it's elite. Few pros can do it effectively. Now Cam doesn't have this skill yet but he has the talent and the fluidity which means he will have this in his bag soon.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=26087671

These shots are why he is an elite 3 point prospect: Not many people can do this with time, situation, length, ability, etc:

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As for skill, I see R.J. having the most and it's not close on Duke. I think R.J. is the most skilled player in this draft. Last year, it was Luka then Trae. Zion is the most physically gifted and he's the most consistent with the best motor. All of them are special prospects but Cam would have always struggled in the NCAA's. He lacks too much polish.
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Post#1935 » by King Ken » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:23 pm

kg01 wrote:Ooh Tim Legler on the Duke guys, draft ...

Zion - top pick although has no shot, can't/won't be able to shoot 3's at next level. Set-shot, no extension/elevation. works on college level because guys are scared he'll dunk on them.

RJ Barrett - There's like 7-8 RJ Barretts in the league right now. (Described him as a dime-a-dozen type)

Reddish - Meh, mid 1st rounder. Not sure what he can be because, right now, he's living off crumbs left by Zion/RJ

Morant - Can't miss prospect

There aren't 7-8 R.J. Barretts long term tho. There aren't any. We are talking elite scoring and passing potential 2 guards who can get steals and rebound at a high clip aren't a dime. His game may look downloadable but it's not.

Cam really is a mid 1st rounder but his potential and his NBA fit just make him a legit top 5-8 pick in this draft. Even in last year's class, he would have been drafted ahead of Sexton and Knox.
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Post#1936 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:23 pm

That's a lot of words and pictures in one post.

I'll simply respond with:

Noted.
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Post#1937 » by observer1995 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:34 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Reddish is possibly the most skilled offensive player in this draft. For real.



He clearly doesn't have 1st round skills. Even 2nd round skills...



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Yeah, I don't think I would be saying that in a piece to hype him up.

I'm not adverse to taking him, I just don't think he's going to have PG13 type upside even 3-4 years from now and the risk is very high that he busts. I clearly for the most part don't see the passing (I did say Batum, but with not as good passing skills) and he hasn't flashed to me in the half court with dribble driving (based off memory mostly which can be crappy for me, I admit). If you take him, okay, but right now the main things he has are being 6'8", wowing people in high school, and NBA range 3 point shooting which is not consistent even though his shot seems like it should translate.

I admit I could be wrong as I'm not a Nostradamus, but I don't see him being playable at all in his first year in the NBA. He's a three year project to me at this point, and even the three year project probably will not uncover a star, JMO. The three year project at best will likely uncover a better defending, worse passing Nicolas Batum.

And maybe uncovering a Batum is just fine, however. And maybe the detractors are all just being stupid and being at Duke truly did hurt him and he'll come out his rookie season holding his own mostly in a bench role and then blow up from there.
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Post#1938 » by King Ken » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:35 pm

If there is a red flag I have on Cam, it would have to be his lack of rebounding. That said, Duke has four + rebounders in Zion, Tre, R.J. and Bolden. Javin is a good rebounder as well. Maybe it's just not needed. I do noticed that when shots go up and they go on D, Cam is always the 1st one back so maybe it's the gameplan.
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Post#1939 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:42 pm

observer1995 wrote:Yeah, I don't think I would be saying that in a piece to hype him up.

I'm not adverse to taking him, I just don't think he's going to have PG13 type upside even 3-4 years from now and the risk is very high that he busts. I clearly for the most part don't see the passing (I did say Batum, but with not as good passing skills) and he hasn't flashed to me in the half court with dribble driving (based off memory mostly which can be crappy for me, I admit). If you take him, okay, but right now the main things he has are being 6'8", wowing people in high school, and NBA range 3 point shooting which is not consistent even though his shot seems like it should translate.

I admit I could be wrong as I'm not a Nostradamus, but I don't see him being playable at all in his first year in the NBA. He's a three year project to me at this point, and even the three year project probably will not uncover a star, JMO. The three year project at best will likely uncover a better defending, worse passing Nicolas Batum.

And maybe uncovering a Batum is just fine, however. And maybe the detractors are all just being stupid and being at Duke truly did hurt him and he'll come out his rookie season holding his own mostly in a bench role and then blow up from there.



I suspect Cam would see immense growth and development were he to stay in school another year. Growing from his 1st year in the shadows into a greater offenseive role for one of the elite basketball programs in the world. I think you'd see the type of emergence we've seen from Culver De'Andre Hunter or, even Ja Morant.

Ja was maybe a lottery pick last season. A year later, he's a can't miss prospect (according to Timmy Legler anyway). An extra year of development (real development) would do wonders for Cam's draft stock.
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Post#1940 » by King Ken » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:43 pm

observer1995 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:

He clearly doesn't have 1st round skills. Even 2nd round skills...



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Yeah, I don't think I would be saying that in a piece to hype him up.

I'm not adverse to taking him, I just don't think he's going to have PG13 type upside even 3-4 years from now and the risk is very high that he busts. I clearly for the most part don't see the passing (I did say Batum, but with not as good passing skills) and he hasn't flashed to me in the half court with dribble driving (based off memory mostly which can be crappy for me, I admit). If you take him, okay, but right now the main things he has are being 6'8", wowing people in high school, and NBA range 3 point shooting which is not consistent even though his shot seems like it should translate.

I admit I could be wrong as I'm not a Nostradamus, but I don't see him being playable at all in his first year in the NBA. He's a three year project to me at this point, and even the three year project probably will not uncover a star, JMO. The three year project at best will likely uncover a better defending, worse passing Nicolas Batum.

And maybe uncovering a Batum is just fine, however. And maybe the detractors are all just being stupid and being at Duke truly did hurt him and he'll come out his rookie season holding his own mostly in a bench role and then blow up from there.

He has a lot more talent than Batum as a prospect. A lot more talent. Just a much better overall athlete as well. I am not seeing it.

As we saw with our raw Hawks (Collins as a rook, Trae and Kevin), development can come fast and plenty in the right situation. While there is a good chance he is not ready out of the box, he might be by December. I though Kevin was primed for the G-League. He's been nothing short of amazing since he broke the rotation but looked awful in the preseason. The NBA is a different ballgame and these kids got talent and fit in their favor.

Look at the gap between PG from college to Rookie year at the end.





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