2019 NBA Draft Prep

Post #1941 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:54 pm

I'm going to need Rashad Phillips to up his scouting game.

Is he seriously recording video on his phone of his TV screen? What is this, 2015? Geesh....

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Post #1942 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:59 pm

observer1995 wrote:If any freshman is the “next PG13” from this year, I think it’s Louis King, but he might not come out until after 19/20. I just started learning about him in the past week or so, and he’s interesting but raw.

Louis King is really nice. Had he not been recovering from last year's knee injury, he'd likely be a lottery target this year.

Should he stay in the draft, I'd be wiling to trade back into the 1st round for him.

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kg01 · Post #1943 » by **kg01** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:01 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:That's a lot of words and pictures in one post.

I'll simply respond with:

Noted.

Nice save, @jam. But here's what really happened when you saw that post ...

Spoiler:

observer1995 · Post #1944 » by **observer1995** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:03 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
observer1995 wrote:Yeah, I don't think I would be saying that in a piece to hype him up.

I'm not adverse to taking him, I just don't think he's going to have PG13 type upside even 3-4 years from now and the risk is very high that he busts. I clearly for the most part don't see the passing (I did say Batum, but with not as good passing skills) and he hasn't flashed to me in the half court with dribble driving (based off memory mostly which can be crappy for me, I admit). If you take him, okay, but right now the main things he has are being 6'8", wowing people in high school, and NBA range 3 point shooting which is not consistent even though his shot seems like it should translate.

I admit I could be wrong as I'm not a Nostradamus, but I don't see him being playable at all in his first year in the NBA. He's a three year project to me at this point, and even the three year project probably will not uncover a star, JMO. The three year project at best will likely uncover a better defending, worse passing Nicolas Batum.

And maybe uncovering a Batum is just fine, however. And maybe the detractors are all just being stupid and being at Duke truly did hurt him and he'll come out his rookie season holding his own mostly in a bench role and then blow up from there.

I suspect Cam would see immense growth and development were he to stay in school another year. Growing form his 1st year in the shadows into a greater offenseive role for one of the elite basketball programs in the world. I think you'd see the type of emergence we've seen from Culver De'Andre Hunter or, even Ja Morant.

Ja was maybe a lottery pick last season. A year later, he's a can't miss prospect (according to Timmy Legler anyway). An extra year of development (real development) would do wonders for Cam's draft stock.

Now this I can get on board with. About the only thing I can agree with is seeing him in a bigger role, everything else that has been said about with him at Duke, I honestly disagree with. Maybe in a bigger role, the passing that I haven't seen (both with the stats and in games I've watched), is actually for real, the athleticism would actually flash (as I really haven't seen it athletically with him either), and the ability to get layups would lead to better jumper percentages.

(and now maybe I admitted I was wrong, but I really don't see raw PG13, sorry but I just don't, the guy that is raw PG13 as a freshman this year is Louis King IMHO)

King Ken · Post #1945 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:03 pm

Mike Schmitz on Reddish:

While he's certainly a frustrating player at times with his volatile production, I actually see Reddish as a fairly high-floor prospect given his versatile shooting stroke, fluidity, positional size and sound on-ball defense. Watching Reddish shoot for a few days outside of games, I have little doubt he can become a prolific NBA shot-maker. His finishing struggles and turnover issues are fair criticisms, but every move Reddish makes is an NBA-caliber move, and the fact he can hop into transition 3s so smoothly makes him an ideal fit when surrounded by playmakers, and his ability to pull up from distance with grace gives him potential as a secondary shot-creator.

King Ken · Post #1946 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:06 pm

observer1995 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
observer1995 wrote:Yeah, I don't think I would be saying that in a piece to hype him up.

I'm not adverse to taking him, I just don't think he's going to have PG13 type upside even 3-4 years from now and the risk is very high that he busts. I clearly for the most part don't see the passing (I did say Batum, but with not as good passing skills) and he hasn't flashed to me in the half court with dribble driving (based off memory mostly which can be crappy for me, I admit). If you take him, okay, but right now the main things he has are being 6'8", wowing people in high school, and NBA range 3 point shooting which is not consistent even though his shot seems like it should translate.

I admit I could be wrong as I'm not a Nostradamus, but I don't see him being playable at all in his first year in the NBA. He's a three year project to me at this point, and even the three year project probably will not uncover a star, JMO. The three year project at best will likely uncover a better defending, worse passing Nicolas Batum.

And maybe uncovering a Batum is just fine, however. And maybe the detractors are all just being stupid and being at Duke truly did hurt him and he'll come out his rookie season holding his own mostly in a bench role and then blow up from there.

I suspect Cam would see immense growth and development were he to stay in school another year. Growing form his 1st year in the shadows into a greater offenseive role for one of the elite basketball programs in the world. I think you'd see the type of emergence we've seen from Culver De'Andre Hunter or, even Ja Morant.

Ja was maybe a lottery pick last season. A year later, he's a can't miss prospect (according to Timmy Legler anyway). An extra year of development (real development) would do wonders for Cam's draft stock.

Now this I can get on board with. About the only thing I can agree with is seeing him in a bigger role, everything else that has been said about with him at Duke, I honestly disagree with. Maybe in a bigger role, the passing that I haven't seen (both with the stats and in games I've watched), is actually for real, the athleticism would actually flash (as I really haven't seen it athletically with him either), and the ability to get layups would lead to better jumper percentages.

(and now maybe I admitted I was wrong, but I really don't see raw PG13, sorry but I just don't, the guy that is raw PG13 as a freshman this year is Louis King IMHO)

Louis King is more like Batum than PG-13

King Ken · Post #1947 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:22 pm

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EazyRoc · Post #1948 » by **EazyRoc** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:10 pm

The team that takes Cam in the Top 10 is going to be disappointed. He’s going to need time to develop and he has a totally different mental make-up than the guys he’s being compared to. It’s going to take the right situation and some delicate handling to squeeze the potential out of him.

King Ken · Post #1949 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:27 pm

EazyRoc wrote:The team that takes Cam in the Top 10 is going to be disappointed. He’s going to need time to develop and he has a totally different mental make-up than the guys he’s being compared to. It’s going to take the right situation and some delicate handling to squeeze the potential out of him.

Mentally, he is exactly like Kevin. That's what makes him so unique to me. Some one of his skill set is normally more internally arrogant. He literally just does what you ask of him. If you are asking him to create for himself, I don't think you will like the results for the most part. Him and Kevin personalities are extremely similar

Spud2nique · Post #1950 » by **Spud2nique** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:55 pm

kg01 wrote:Ooh Tim Legler on the Duke guys, draft ...

Zion - top pick although has no shot, can't/won't be able to shoot 3's at next level. Set-shot, no extension/elevation. works on college level because guys are scared he'll dunk on them.

RJ Barrett - There's like 7-8 RJ Barretts in the league right now. (Described him as a dime-a-dozen type)

Reddish - Meh, mid 1st rounder. Not sure what he can be because, right now, he's living off crumbs left by Zion/RJ

Morant - Can't miss prospect

Wait, Tim Legler said Cam is living off crumbs???? Riiiiiiight... Chris Webber..Rasheed Wallace..DC.. Bullets.. need I say more?

That’s like the kettle calling the pot.. or is it the pot?..

EazyRoc · Post #1951 » by **EazyRoc** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:00 pm

King Ken wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:The team that takes Cam in the Top 10 is going to be disappointed. He’s going to need time to develop and he has a totally different mental make-up than the guys he’s being compared to. It’s going to take the right situation and some delicate handling to squeeze the potential out of him.

Mentally, he is exactly like Kevin. That's what makes him so unique to me. Some one of his skill set is normally more internally arrogant. He literally just does what you ask of him. If you are asking him to create for himself, I don't think you will like the results for the most part. Him and Kevin personalities are extremely similar

Nah. KD has that dog in him in college. They are not the same.

King Ken · Post #1952 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:03 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
King Ken wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:The team that takes Cam in the Top 10 is going to be disappointed. He’s going to need time to develop and he has a totally different mental make-up than the guys he’s being compared to. It’s going to take the right situation and some delicate handling to squeeze the potential out of him.

Mentally, he is exactly like Kevin. That's what makes him so unique to me. Some one of his skill set is normally more internally arrogant. He literally just does what you ask of him. If you are asking him to create for himself, I don't think you will like the results for the most part. Him and Kevin personalities are extremely similar
Nah. KD has that dog in him in college. They are not the same.

Our Kevin, not Durant

King Ken · Post #1953 » by **King Ken** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:56 pm

By all merits and even the eye test, Cam Reddish is an average overall college Basketball player. Those types normally don't get drafted into the NBA unless they have rare athletic ability for their size, talent or size for position and usually all three.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/cam-reddish

Here are your usual average college guys who were drafted:
http://www.tankathon.com/players/deandre-jordan
http://www.tankathon.com/players/hassan-whiteside
http://www.tankathon.com/players/paul-george
http://www.tankathon.com/players/eric-bledsoe
http://www.tankathon.com/players/avery-bradley
http://www.tankathon.com/players/perry-jones
http://www.tankathon.com/players/andre-drummond
http://www.tankathon.com/players/malachi-richardson
http://www.tankathon.com/players/skal-labissiere
http://www.tankathon.com/players/jaylen-brown

None of these guys were good College Basketball players. All of them were average. Most either started for bad teams, started on good teams and played bad, or just sit on the bench like DeAndre Jordan.

As you seen, the NBA is just a completely different game. Out of these players only Bledsoe, PG24, Drummond, Jaylen Brown made all rookie which tells us something valuable. The NBA and the NCAA is TWO COMPLETELY different games. Of the others, all but three will get or did receive a 2nd contract that's bigger than their first.

The NCAA refs, ref favoring defense. The NBA refs strongly favor offense. The NCAA is strongly a skill based and polished game. The NBA is a freeflowing game based on tools, speed, talent, and skills. It's a game based on margins. The NCAA is a game based on teamwork and experience.

That's why I can watch a player who is elite at the college level like Jarrett Culver and see role player who will struggle to translate to someone like Reddish who will be average next year in the NBA while just being average the year before in college. Why? Because the NBA plays to his strengths. The NCAA's plays to his weaknesses at this stage of his development.

Cam Reddish has all star potential but not based on what he is consistently doing in college but what he can do, his tools, his bag, and his talent. We must separate the two at ALL TIMES!

We must remember, a good college player on average as a senior is someone like Lagerald Vick, Paschall from NOVA or a Sagaba Konate. He is a player who has made an all conference team and usually multiple times. Maybe even a CPOY. They are NBA prospects and are generally good Basketball players who are clearly one of the best in the conference. Note, most of these guys don't even make it into the NBA. That's just the facts.

Indyhawks26 · Post #1954 » by **Indyhawks26** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:41 pm

Cam Reddish reminds me of the pretty girl that teases you and in the end you get let down.None of us know how hard of a worker he is.Wouldn't make more sense drafting a guy who doesn't have as much talent but will be a gym rat?

Spud2nique · Post #1955 » by **Spud2nique** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:46 pm

Indyhawks26 wrote:Cam Reddish reminds me of the pretty girl that teases you and in the end you get let down.None of us know how hard of a worker he is.Wouldn't make more sense drafting a guy who doesn't have as much talent but will be a gym rat?

ok I WANTED Cam...now I picture him ..

CULVER IT IS!

Spud2nique · Post #1956 » by **Spud2nique** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:48 pm

Indyhawks26 wrote:Cam Reddish reminds me of the pretty girl that teases you and in the end you get let down.None of us know how hard of a worker he is.Wouldn't make more sense drafting a guy who doesn't have as much talent but will be a gym rat?

Ps Do you think we’d take a flyer on an ugly girl like Tacko in the 2nd? :lol:

I’m sorry I’m running wild with this I’m done.

Night Traen · Post #1957 » by **Night Traen** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:28 am

I'll trust Schlenk to find the hottest girls in the draft who will make nice wives in the end.

Spud2nique · Post #1958 » by **Spud2nique** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:34 am

Night Traen wrote:I'll trust Schlenk to find the hottest girls in the draft who will make nice wives in the end.

Schlenk might already have set up an arranged marriage.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #1959 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:01 am

This is exactly how I feel about Cam Reddish. Just look at the way he works. He's cruising out there. You can't tell me this guy wouldn't have dropped 40 without having more space in college. He has a natural burst that allows him to be effective no matter where he is on the court. The ability to come off hooks and curls. Instincts to fade into a corner 3. That's stuff Ray Allen and Reggie would do. He can be so good off the ball, and it's exactly what Trae needs. Plus he can put it on the deck easily. ISO ability. You name it.

Someone mentioned it before, but imagine this dude playing at a school where he's the #1 option, and he can work off shooters or a big man that can play from the high post and provide spacing. Kid would be in the running for #1 pick. Duke loses to UCF without Cam's 3 to put them within 1. The game just flows naturally for him. It's hard to showcase that talent when you're the only guy that can space the floor and your other star teammates depend on that. I hope he continues to be overshadowed and falls right into our lap. We'd be idiots not to take him at one of our picks.

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Geaux_Hawks · Post #1960 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:05 am

King Ken wrote:Mike Schmitz on Reddish:

While he's certainly a frustrating player at times with his volatile production, I actually see Reddish as a fairly high-floor prospect given his versatile shooting stroke, fluidity, positional size and sound on-ball defense. Watching Reddish shoot for a few days outside of games, I have little doubt he can become a prolific NBA shot-maker. His finishing struggles and turnover issues are fair criticisms, but every move Reddish makes is an NBA-caliber move, and the fact he can hop into transition 3s so smoothly makes him an ideal fit when surrounded by playmakers, and his ability to pull up from distance with grace gives him potential as a secondary shot-creator.

Is this not what we are trying to put next to Trae? Just picture perfect.

What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?