Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[reub]

Frank just needs to get his groin fixed in the offseason.

[god shammgod]

it's less about age than nba experience but yeah, they're gonna want some actual veterans here. the knicks, if they get rid of frank, will have mitch, knox, dotson, trier, dennis smith jr, and whoever they pick this year. that's plenty of youth. they're gonna need a few guys with more experience if they're trying to compete soon. mudiay and mario are not exactly what i would call savy.

I know you don't like to hear it but they might just get rid of them all for AD.

Spoiler:

i don't think new orleans wants what we have. unless we get zion and msg is not giving him away for nothing. he's gonna be the most popular rookie since lebron. he's a license to print money.

[2010]

Frank just needs to get his groin fixed in the offseason.

He needs a good masseuse. I am sure Mr. Kraft could recommend.

[Thugger HBC]

Yeah, not to veer off the thread,

Spoiler:

but anyone trading Zion would be a damn fool. For the Knicks, being a multi billion dollar franchise it would be a perfect fit.

Ok, now back to Frank.

[thebuzzardman]

frank is gonna have to figure out how to shoot or how to become such a force on defense that people will live with him not shooting. if not he probably won't last in the league. i do think we've probably seen the last of him here. they're gonna want his money used for a veteran role player when kd & kyrie come. they aren't gonna surround those two with nothing but young kids. it's gonna be a mix.

Mario, Mudiay and LFT are veterans

You do realize Mudiay only just turned 23 a couple weeks ago right?

Yes, but he's still a 4 year veteran. Just like Mario, who is 24.
They are young vets.
I think the team brings them back.
Obviously they might want some "older" vets too, but at a certain price, Mudiay and Mario might represent x amount of experience, while still retaining x amount of upside, could go through 4 years of playing with KD & Kyrie, and still come out on the young end of their peak.

In fact, with them, and more so with Knox or Frank or DSJr or Mitch or Trier - I get the Knicks will have to make trades to rationalize and upgrade the roster, but I'd rather seem them sign KD & Kyrie, and use them to bring wins and competition, and then still retain a bunch of players who are still young at the end of a 4 year run. As opposed to trading nearly all of them for AD (which feels sort of like a pipe dream anyway)

[BLACKFEET 2010]

No frank will get trade for late first to teams such as thunder,suns,jazz, spurs, blazers, pacers and piston.

I could see Frank netting the Jazz first rounder this year. It’ll likely be around 20th. He’s Donovan Mitchell’s guy. And he’s French so with Gobert, boom, Frank walks into a ready made comfort level.

Please tell me you don't believe what you typed to be true. Everyone's opinion on this forum is important. No ones opinion on here is greater than or less than the next person. Saying that the Utah Jazz a billion dollar company will trade a first round pick for Frank because 1. He is Donovan Mitchell's guy and 2. He happens to be french sounds ridiculous.

Ok lemme explain something.
Frank does not have the value of his draft position. I don't think that's a stretch to suggest.
Donovan Mitchell likes the kid. Their games would mesh well in theory.

A kid who just happens to be a point guard who projects to play well off another star-type lead guard.
He's undervalued and likely available for peanuts.
If they did get Frank for #20 overall they'd feel like they won that trade (look at this draft).

They've formed what looks like a real friendship and appreciation for each other's games.
Donovan is on record of saying he wants to get guys to Utah. I don't think a KD or Kawhi would consider. So.....

Donovan Mitchell is a young, exciting franchise talent oozing with marketability untapped from playing in a small pond like Utah.
The world isn't as small as they want you to think. If he were playing in LA or NYC he'd be a mega rockstar.
You'd best keep him happy if you want to keep him long term. Ok, following?

They have Neto and Exum under contract next year. Exum is hurt again btw.
They actually project to have some decent cap space BUT they are in Utah.
So no free agent is going to want to go to Utah. Maybe Jabari Parker and Dwayne Dedmon?

But that's about as far as it goes for the list of young, Black professional basketball millionaires who would want to go play in Utah in their primes or approaching them.

So you likely get a guy via trade. Not an overpaid has-been but a young player on a rookie scale deal, one who would maybe see his future in Salt Lake (because culture and comfort matter). One you can add to the core along with Donovan and Rudy.
That would be a win.

Stylistically they are a perfect fit. And he wouldn't cost much.

And again, if you are investing time and resource in a player, you'd better anticipate his potential comfort level in the locker room.
It matters in a major way.....so yes, the French thing does factor. Does "international flavor" matter to the Spurs culture, Toronto, Dallas, etc?

When selecting a player for our very own coach, you think the players' background doesn't matter? After all we've seen and been lead to speculate, would you REEEALLLLYYY go out and force say, another euro big man on Fiz? Language, culture and other cultural gaps do exist, it's still the real world. And yeah, you'd wish it wasn't the case but it would be foolish to ignore recent history (Gasol, Kanter).
Now yes, in realGM speak, I just said Fiz hates White people. And that's cool too.

....and seriously, some would argue Frank is worth much more than a late first in a weak draft.....and some would say he's worth a second rounder with protection. Until he's traded or not, we have no idea. But it makes all the sense in the world.

Now blooodclaat eediat ball boy.....
STFU and GTFO

[Knickgm2190]

I could see Frank netting the Jazz first rounder this year. It’ll likely be around 20th. He’s Donovan Mitchell’s guy. And he’s French so with Gobert, boom, Frank walks into a ready made comfort level.

Please tell me you don't believe what you typed to be true. Everyone's opinion on this forum is important. No ones opinion on here is greater than or less than the next person. Saying that the Utah Jazz a billion dollar company will trade a first round pick for Frank because 1. He is Donovan Mitchell's guy and 2. He happens to be french sounds ridiculous.

Ok lemme explain something.
Frank does not have the value of his draft position. I don't think that's a stretch to suggest.
Donovan Mitchell likes the kid. Their games would mesh well in theory.

A kid who just happens to be a point guard who projects to play well off another star-type lead guard.
He's undervalued and likely available for peanuts.
If they did get Frank for #20 overall they'd feel like they won that trade (look at this draft).

They've formed what looks like a real friendship and appreciation for each other's games.
Donovan is on record of saying he wants to get guys to Utah. I don't think a KD or Kawhi would consider. So.....

Donovan Mitchell is a young, exciting franchise talent oozing with marketability untapped from playing in a small pond like Utah.
The world isn't as small as they want you to think. If he were playing in LA or NYC he'd be a mega rockstar.
You'd best keep him happy if you want to keep him long term. Ok, following?

They have Neto and Exum under contract next year. Exum is hurt again btw.
They actually project to have some decent cap space BUT they are in Utah.
So no free agent is going to want to go to Utah. Maybe Jabari Parker and Dwayne Dedmon?

But that's about as far as it goes for the list of young, Black professional basketball millionaires who would want to go play in Utah in their primes or approaching them.

So you likely get a guy via trade. Not an overpaid has-been but a young player on a rookie scale deal, one who would maybe see his future in Salt Lake (because culture and comfort matter). One you can add to the core along with Donovan and Rudy.
That would be a win.

Stylistically they are a perfect fit. And he wouldn't cost much.

And again, if you are investing time and resource in a player, you'd better anticipate his potential comfort level in the locker room.
It matters in a major way.....so yes, the French thing does factor. Does "international flavor" matter to the Spurs culture, Toronto, Dallas, etc?

When selecting a player for our very own coach, you think the players' background doesn't matter? After all we've seen and been lead to speculate, would you REEEALLLLYYY go out and force say, another euro big man on Fiz? Language, culture and other cultural gaps do exist, it's still the real world. And yeah, you'd wish it wasn't the case but it would be foolish to ignore recent history (Gasol, Kanter).
Now yes, in realGM speak, I just said Fiz hates White people. And that's cool too.

....and seriously, some would argue Frank is worth much more than a late first in a weak draft.....and some would say he's worth a second rounder with protection. Until he's traded or not, we have no idea. But it makes all the sense in the world.

Now blooodclaat eediat ball boy.....
STFU and GTFO

Is the Ballboy insult supposed to bother me? What are you 10? You certainly do know how to ramble on. Your rational still sounds unrealistic. A first round pick for Frank because he is friends with a player and he is french. You let me know when this dream comes true.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Please tell me you don't believe what you typed to be true. Everyone's opinion on this forum is important. No ones opinion on here is greater than or less than the next person. Saying that the Utah Jazz a billion dollar company will trade a first round pick for Frank because 1. He is Donovan Mitchell's guy and 2. He happens to be french sounds ridiculous.

Ok lemme explain something.
Frank does not have the value of his draft position. I don't think that's a stretch to suggest.
Donovan Mitchell likes the kid. Their games would mesh well in theory.

A kid who just happens to be a point guard who projects to play well off another star-type lead guard.
He's undervalued and likely available for peanuts.
If they did get Frank for #20 overall they'd feel like they won that trade (look at this draft).

They've formed what looks like a real friendship and appreciation for each other's games.
Donovan is on record of saying he wants to get guys to Utah. I don't think a KD or Kawhi would consider. So.....

Donovan Mitchell is a young, exciting franchise talent oozing with marketability untapped from playing in a small pond like Utah.
The world isn't as small as they want you to think. If he were playing in LA or NYC he'd be a mega rockstar.
You'd best keep him happy if you want to keep him long term. Ok, following?

They have Neto and Exum under contract next year. Exum is hurt again btw.
They actually project to have some decent cap space BUT they are in Utah.
So no free agent is going to want to go to Utah. Maybe Jabari Parker and Dwayne Dedmon?

But that's about as far as it goes for the list of young, Black professional basketball millionaires who would want to go play in Utah in their primes or approaching them.

So you likely get a guy via trade. Not an overpaid has-been but a young player on a rookie scale deal, one who would maybe see his future in Salt Lake (because culture and comfort matter). One you can add to the core along with Donovan and Rudy.
That would be a win.

Stylistically they are a perfect fit. And he wouldn't cost much.

And again, if you are investing time and resource in a player, you'd better anticipate his potential comfort level in the locker room.
It matters in a major way.....so yes, the French thing does factor. Does "international flavor" matter to the Spurs culture, Toronto, Dallas, etc?

When selecting a player for our very own coach, you think the players' background doesn't matter? After all we've seen and been lead to speculate, would you REEEALLLLYYY go out and force say, another euro big man on Fiz? Language, culture and other cultural gaps do exist, it's still the real world. And yeah, you'd wish it wasn't the case but it would be foolish to ignore recent history (Gasol, Kanter).
Now yes, in realGM speak, I just said Fiz hates White people. And that's cool too.

....and seriously, some would argue Frank is worth much more than a late first in a weak draft.....and some would say he's worth a second rounder with protection. Until he's traded or not, we have no idea. But it makes all the sense in the world.

Now blooodclaat eediat ball boy.....
STFU and GTFO

Is the Ballboy insult supposed to bother me? What are you 10? You certainly do know how to ramble on. Your rational still sounds unrealistic. A first round pick for Frank because he is friends with a player and he is french. You let me know when this dream comes true.

STFU and GTFO!

[Knickgm2190]

Ok lemme explain something.
Frank does not have the value of his draft position. I don't think that's a stretch to suggest.
Donovan Mitchell likes the kid. Their games would mesh well in theory.

A kid who just happens to be a point guard who projects to play well off another star-type lead guard.
He's undervalued and likely available for peanuts.
If they did get Frank for #20 overall they'd feel like they won that trade (look at this draft).

They've formed what looks like a real friendship and appreciation for each other's games.
Donovan is on record of saying he wants to get guys to Utah. I don't think a KD or Kawhi would consider. So.....

Donovan Mitchell is a young, exciting franchise talent oozing with marketability untapped from playing in a small pond like Utah.
The world isn't as small as they want you to think. If he were playing in LA or NYC he'd be a mega rockstar.
You'd best keep him happy if you want to keep him long term. Ok, following?

They have Neto and Exum under contract next year. Exum is hurt again btw.
They actually project to have some decent cap space BUT they are in Utah.
So no free agent is going to want to go to Utah. Maybe Jabari Parker and Dwayne Dedmon?

But that's about as far as it goes for the list of young, Black professional basketball millionaires who would want to go play in Utah in their primes or approaching them.

So you likely get a guy via trade. Not an overpaid has-been but a young player on a rookie scale deal, one who would maybe see his future in Salt Lake (because culture and comfort matter). One you can add to the core along with Donovan and Rudy.
That would be a win.

Stylistically they are a perfect fit. And he wouldn't cost much.

And again, if you are investing time and resource in a player, you'd better anticipate his potential comfort level in the locker room.
It matters in a major way.....so yes, the French thing does factor. Does "international flavor" matter to the Spurs culture, Toronto, Dallas, etc?

When selecting a player for our very own coach, you think the players' background doesn't matter? After all we've seen and been lead to speculate, would you REEEALLLLYYY go out and force say, another euro big man on Fiz? Language, culture and other cultural gaps do exist, it's still the real world. And yeah, you'd wish it wasn't the case but it would be foolish to ignore recent history (Gasol, Kanter).
Now yes, in realGM speak, I just said Fiz hates White people. And that's cool too.

....and seriously, some would argue Frank is worth much more than a late first in a weak draft.....and some would say he's worth a second rounder with protection. Until he's traded or not, we have no idea. But it makes all the sense in the world.

Now blooodclaat eediat ball boy.....
STFU and GTFO

Is the Ballboy insult supposed to bother me? What are you 10? You certainly do know how to ramble on. Your rational still sounds unrealistic. A first round pick for Frank because he is friends with a player and he is french. You let me know when this dream comes true.

STFU and GTFO!

Classy

[Jalen Bluntson]

Is the Ballboy insult supposed to bother me? What are you 10? You certainly do know how to ramble on. Your rational still sounds unrealistic. A first round pick for Frank because he is friends with a player and he is french. You let me know when this dream comes true.

STFU and GTFO!

Classy

It's board tradition ballboy. Everyone goes through it. Now...kindly STFU and GTFO!

[Worst_to_First]

STFU and GTFO!

Classy

It's board tradition ballboy. Everyone goes through it. Now...kindly STFU and GTFO!

Ballboys should spend time lurking first before posting.

I sure was happy when I got my STFUs and GTFOs after I made my first post. Made me feel part of the group.

[Knickgm2190]

STFU and GTFO!

Classy

It's board tradition ballboy. Everyone goes through it. Now...kindly STFU and GTFO!

Oh I have no problem with what you're saying. Its a forum. The internet where you can say anything at all without repercussions. You wouldn't say it to me in person so continue. Too bad you can't make a coherent basketball point.

[GONYK]

Frank is worth more to this team than they can trade him for.

That's not as complimentary to Frank as it might sound. I'm just saying that a borderline elite perimeter defender is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

That's why I am confused by the urgency to trade him.

[CDAZ]

Frank is worth more to this team than they can trade him for.

That's not as complimentary to Frank as it might sound. I'm just saying that a borderline elite perimeter defender is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

That's why I am confused by the urgency to trade him.

Maybe to clear cap to resign Trier or if mud takes his option?

[HarthorneWingo]

Frank just needs to get his groin fixed in the offseason.

He needs a good masseuse. I am sure Mr. Kraft could recommend.

"Full service"

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Frank is the #1 thing the knicks 'have', Mitch is the #2 (maybe switch if Mitch shows some FGA and a reasonable %made, but it's close either way). No one in their right mind should give a single toss about Dot or Izozo ... they are fine and will have decent NBA careers, but just don't matter because each are completely replaceable.

You should only (essentially ever) care about the (possibly) extraordinary. Given that the Knicks gave away KP, that's Frank and Mitch.

[god shammgod]

Frank is the #1 thing the knicks 'have', Mitch is the #2 (maybe switch if shows some FGA and a reasonable %made, but it's close either way). No one in their right mind should give a single toss about Dot or Izozo ... they are fine and will have decent NBA careers, but just don't matter because each are completely replaceable.

You should only (essentially ever) care about the (possibly) extraordinary. Given that the Knicks gave away KP, that's Frank and Mitch.

beg pardon ?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Frank is the #1 thing the knicks 'have', Mitch is the #2 (maybe switch if shows some FGA and a reasonable %made, but it's close either way). No one in their right mind should give a single toss about Dot or Izozo ... they are fine and will have decent NBA careers, but just don't matter because each are completely replaceable.

You should only (essentially ever) care about the (possibly) extraordinary. Given that the Knicks gave away KP, that's Frank and Mitch.

beg pardon ?

Until Mitch actually attempts a single shot I think the order I had is correct, but ... like I said in the OP, it's close ... and we'll see in the future.

[god shammgod]

Frank is the #1 thing the knicks 'have', Mitch is the #2 (maybe switch if shows some FGA and a reasonable %made, but it's close either way). No one in their right mind should give a single toss about Dot or Izozo ... they are fine and will have decent NBA careers, but just don't matter because each are completely replaceable.

You should only (essentially ever) care about the (possibly) extraordinary. Given that the Knicks gave away KP, that's Frank and Mitch.

beg pardon ?

Until Mitch actually attempts a single shot I think the order I had is correct, but ... like I said in the OP, it's close ... and we'll see in the future.

so because frank attempts, and not makes too often, jumpers.... he's better ? is that it ? you realize by this logic he's also better than shaq in his prime.

[Richard4444]

Dotson and IsoZo can be easily replaced. The problem is how much costs theirs replacements. We recently gave a 12M /ycontract to Courtney Lee that is not way better than Dotson. Dot and IsoZo are great cost controlled contracts.

Now I am more worried than never. I think there is a great chance to Mud get his 5,8M QO and stay for next year hurting our cap space.

Trade Frank is a must. He has a lot of potencial. But he will take a while to show it. And we will be a win now team if we get Durant.