Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months

[Froob]

Embarrassing, just take the L and come back and do better.

[mszymko]

This is just a social media plug for herself, nothing more.

[JonFromVA]

But I thought Lebron was gonna activate playoff mode. So he said that even though he wasn't at 100 percent?

It just seems so convenient that this comes out once the playoffs is out of reach for the Lakers. There's always an excuse as to why he doesn't play well.

He didn't actually activate playoff mode because he didn't drop off social media, let alone start giving effort on defense; but there usually is an excuse when James' isn't playing up to snuff.

Why does the thought that he was something less than 100% after the injury insult people so much?

Is the narrative of the week more important than the truth?

Oh ...

[Sactowndog]

No one is going to a physical therapist right after straining a muscle or any other severe injury. The Lakers did not send Lebron to see a DPT.

Do you think Kawhi went to see a DPT when he didn't agree with the Spurs doctors assessment.

This is trolling. A PT is post-assessment not initial.....

Not trolling. The role of the DPT has changed. At this point I have tried to patiently explain the difference and have provided answers to the questions. But clearly you don’t care to learn and think you know it all.

First I will give you some advice, do not take what anyone says online as gospel, including myself. Everyone, including you, has an agenda.

Second, you have provided zero reference support for your claims other than your "say so" which means exactly nothing.

Third, a quick Google search of Doctor of Physical Therapy shows on the first page of results that it is an "entry level" degree, which I agree with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Physical_Therapy

In the United States, a Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) degree is an entry-level professional degree. A DPT is a practitioner who is educated in many areas of rehabilitation. However, a Doctor of Physical Therapy is not a physician and cannot prescribe medications.

The Wiki page continues with a controversy concerning the usage of "Doctor" in the DPT degree:

The use of the title doctor by physical therapists and other non-physician health care professionals is controversial.[26] In a letter to The New York Times, the president of the American Physical Therapy Association responded:

"To provide accurate information to consumers, the American Physical Therapy Association has taken a proactive approach and provides clear guidelines for physical therapists regarding the use of the title "Doctor." These guidelines state that physical therapists, in all clinical settings, who hold a Doctor of Physical Therapy degree (DPT) shall indicate they are physical therapists when using the title "Doctor" or "Dr," and shall use the titles in accord with jurisdictional law."[27]

In 2007, the DPT degree has been described as an example of "credential creep" or degree inflation in The Chronicle of Higher Education. Citing concerns that the DPT, and similar professional doctorates in areas such as occupational therapy, do not meet the standards of traditional doctorate degrees, the journal states: "The six-and-a-half-year doctor of physical therapy, or DPT, is rapidly replacing a six-year master's degree ... The American Physical Therapy Association ... has not set separate requirements for doctoral programs. To be accredited they need only to meet the same requirements as master's programs."

Other concerns with using "Doctor" is those who obtained PT degrees before the recent changes:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/physical-therapy-degrees-2696238

But My PT Has a Master's or Bachelors Degree
Your physical therapist may hold a degree that is not a doctorate level degree. Why? Because although the current requirement is that physical therapists obtain a doctorate level degree to sit for licensure, there is a grandfather clause that allows PTs who earned degrees prior to the doctorate requirement to continue to practice under their current degree and license. The transitional doctorate level degree for them is encouraged, but it is not required to remain in practice as a physical therapist.

This addresses your claims the career field has changed:

https://programs.online.utica.edu/articles/the-movement-toward-doctors-in-physical-therapy

Increasing Responsibilities
Over time, physical therapists have earned more responsibilities in health care systems. Beyond aiding patients with injuries or issues in mobility, P.T.s are acting as consultants, educators, and administrators. As the P.T. role is constantly expanding, the necessity for continued education is growing as reported by the APTA. Post Professional DPT degree coursework provides students with the skills they need to succeed in a variety of health care settings and hold a more prominent role in patient care.

https://blog.rehabselect.net/physiatrist-vs-physical-therapist-5-major-differences

Education
The first major difference between physiatrists and physical therapists is their medical training. A physiatrist is a licensed, board-certified medical doctor who has completed medical school and a required internship and residency. A physical therapist completes a three-year post-graduate degree in physical therapy and must earn their certification.

While both medical providers know the body’s musculoskeletal system inside and out, a physiatrist’s more extensive training gives them even greater in-depth knowledge about the structure and function of the human body. They also have an intimate understanding about how the nervous, cardiovascular, and other systems affect the musculoskeletal system.

As physical medicine and rehabilitation practitioners, physiatrists also have the ability to prescribe medication and perform additional non-surgical therapies like injections, which physical therapists don’t have. Physical therapists use advanced tools like traction and transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS), but they must refer you to your physiatrist who can administer prescription-level therapies. If you have complicated medical needs, you'll appreciate having a physiatrist at hand.

Role
A physiatrist takes the leading role in diagnosing, treating, and managing musculoskeletal issues. Your MD designs a comprehensive treatment plan based on their findings, oversees its execution, and assesses its effectiveness. They check in with you and your physical therapist at intervals during your inpatient stay to make sure their plan is working.

Your physical therapist is responsible for executing the treatment plan provided by your physiatrist. During physical therapy sessions, you can expect to perform the bulk of the actual physical rehabilitation techniques including specialized exercises and hands-on procedures.

I don't know why you are fighting this, but as I said, you have provided no support for your claims other than you are trolling......

Dude everything I posted was verbatim word of mouth from my daughter who has her DPT and just passed her boards. It’s correlated by my daughter in law that just got her MD.

Your welcome to take whatever you find on the internet as gospel but I’m pretty sure 1st hand experience is much better than whatever crap you cite.

[Impuniti]

Bloodbath West right? Are the Blazers any less of a 4th seed for being 3 games from 8th right now? Or wasn't the West competitive before December? Blame him for tanking the season but this refusal by some fans to acknowledge that he had them at home court advantage before going down is BS.

Well.. ye they are less of it. I don't think anyone takes them seriously for doing any damage in the playoffs this year.

Lol goalpost shifting. How many 4th seeds actually "do any damage" in the playoffs year to year? Since when has that been a criterion to legitimize a seed? Noone said the Lakers were on track to win a title. A 4th seed is a 4th seed. Just like the 3rd seed last year wasn't given any qualifiers for being 2 games from the 8th seed. You're only saying this stuff because it's LeBron.

What goal post shifting? People use the he was "4th before the injury" and I stated that they were 2 games from either being 8th or out of the playoffs. It a meaningless statement at that point of the year and when I add context, people like yourself catch feelings.

[contestedlayups]

Btw there’s no way any medical specialist can say anything about a patient publicly without that patient clearing it first.

So figure out who basically ordered her to put that out there.

Lol yup. HIPPA violation. Technically that woman should be fired by her employer, and Lebron should sue her. He won't, since he ordered the information to be "leaked" anyway.

[ASmartDoctor]

<---- Physical Therapist here (DPT). Happy to do an AMA because there is a buncha crap in this thread.

1. Many states, including the one I practice in, have "direct access." This means anyone can walk in without a script and be seen by a PT as a first line provider for musculoskeletal injuries.
2. Despite my username, which is a joke, it is very cringe worthy for PT's to call themselves "Doctor ___". However, we do have a clinical doctorate, similar to a pharmacist, dentist...
3. We do not diagnose injuries, rather we go around in somewhat of a loophole and diagnose movement impairments (decreased strength, inability to perform this...). Part of making those diagnoses is to establish an assessment and prognostic factors, which is what Lebron's PT was doing. We are also trained in screening to determine if an injury is not fit to be seen in PT and screening for red flag pathologies.
4. I have no idea why Bron's PT would talk about his injury, thats borderline HIPAA violation. However, it is not a HIPAA violation if Bron gave her permission... which makes me think he told her to leak that in order to make headlines of him playing through injury and/or his robustness.
5. JimmerAllstar has no idea what he is talking about.

[contestedlayups]

<---- Physical Therapist here (DPT). Happy to do an AMA because there is a buncha crap in this thread.

1. Many states, including the one I practice in, have "direct access." This means anyone can walk in without a script and be seen by a PT as a first line provider for musculoskeletal injuries.
2. Despite my title, which is a joke, it is very cringe worthy for PT's to call themselves "Doctor ___". However, we do have a clinical doctorate, similar to a pharmacist, dentist...
3. We do not diagnose injuries, rather we go around in somewhat of a loophole and diagnose movement impairments (decreased strength, inability to perform this...). Part of making those diagnoses is to establish an assessment and prognostic factors, which is what Lebron's PT was doing. We are also trained in screening to determine if an injury is not fit to be seen in PT and screening for red flag pathologies.
4. I have no idea why Bron's PT would talk about his injury, thats borderline HIPAA violation. However, it is not a HIPAA violation if Bron gave her permission... which makes me think he told her to leak that in order to make headlines of him playing through injury and/or his robustness.
5. JimmerAllstar has no idea what he is talking about.

Number 4 is exactly what I'm talking about. Ridiculous.

[Baski]

Well.. ye they are less of it. I don't think anyone takes them seriously for doing any damage in the playoffs this year.

Lol goalpost shifting. How many 4th seeds actually "do any damage" in the playoffs year to year? Since when has that been a criterion to legitimize a seed? Noone said the Lakers were on track to win a title. A 4th seed is a 4th seed. Just like the 3rd seed last year wasn't given any qualifiers for being 2 games from the 8th seed. You're only saying this stuff because it's LeBron.

What goal post shifting? People use the he was "4th before the injury" and I stated that they were 2 games from either being 8th or out of the playoffs. It a meaningless statement at that point of the year and when I add context, people like yourself catch feelings.

You're shifting the goalposts by trying to diminish them with statements that apply to current and past 4th seeds as some kind of negative when in every other discussion it would 100% be seen as "Man the West is brutal".
Again there was no such qualifier for the 3rd-7th seed last season. There was no knocking them for failing to separate themselves from the pack or as you have (new criterion, shocker ) qualified "not doing any damage in the playoffs". Sit there and pretend this isn't solely about LeBron though. More power to you.

[michaelm]

But I thought Lebron was gonna activate playoff mode. So he said that even though he wasn't at 100 percent?

It just seems so convenient that this comes out once the playoffs is out of reach for the Lakers. There's always an excuse as to why he doesn't play well.

He didn't actually activate playoff mode because he didn't drop off social media, let alone start giving effort on defense; but there usually is an excuse when James' isn't playing up to snuff.

Why does the thought that he was something less than 100% after the injury insult people so much?

Is the narrative of the week more important than the truth?

Oh ...

Of course he can be playing while not 100%, he has done it his whole career and usually managed to play at a high level. He is now older, and has a different type of injury than he has had previously, and one that is particularly troublesome for an explosive athlete.

Some who are quibbling are likely still annoyed by the widespread attitude on here from Cavs/LeBron partisans towards Curry in regard to the 2016 finals ie that he was playing and hence couldn’t/didn’t have any impairment from a very definite injury which he suffered live on national TV and which kept him out for over 2 weeks earlier in the play-offs, and that it was obligatory to attribute his form in the GSW finals loss to choking and nothing else. This of course does not mean you or any other individual poster on this thread deserves to be tarred with the same brush.

I will say that Curry himself made no injury excuses, while LeBron usually manages to have it put out when he has an injury, for example the hand injury in the finals last year and the current injury, speaking about which would have been professional misconduct by the physiotherapist concerned if she spoke without his approval as others have said. I don’t doubt both injuries were/are genuine.

[JonFromVA]

But I thought Lebron was gonna activate playoff mode. So he said that even though he wasn't at 100 percent?

It just seems so convenient that this comes out once the playoffs is out of reach for the Lakers. There's always an excuse as to why he doesn't play well.

He didn't actually activate playoff mode because he didn't drop off social media, let alone start giving effort on defense; but there usually is an excuse when James' isn't playing up to snuff.

Why does the thought that he was something less than 100% after the injury insult people so much?

Is the narrative of the week more important than the truth?

Oh ...

Of course he can be playing while not 100%, he has done it his whole career and usually managed to play at a high level. He is now older, and has a different type of injury than he has had previously, and one that is particularly troublesome for an explosive athlete.

Some who are quibbling are likely still annoyed by the widespread attitude on here from Cavs/LeBron partisans towards Curry in regard to the 2016 finals ie that he was playing and hence couldn’t/didn’t have any impairment from a very definite injury which he suffered live on national TV and which kept him out for over 2 weeks earlier in the play-offs, and that it was obligatory to attribute his form in the GSW finals loss to choking and nothing else. This of course does not mean you or any other individual poster on this thread deserves to be tarred with the same brush.

I will say that Curry himself made no injury excuses, while LeBron usually manages to have it put out when he has an injury, for example the hand injury in the finals last year and the current injury, speaking about which would have been professional misconduct by the physiotherapist concerned if she spoke without his approval as others have said. I don’t doubt both injuries were/are genuine.

Curry's injury was well known and he clearly looked limited to me in the 2016 finals, but yes, I'm in the minority of Cavs fans who recognized that. Of course, I had no problem pointing out the nagging injuries the Cavs were dealing with as well. Heck, Steph's physical injury may very well have contributed to his mental errors as well.

It's understandable that players don't like to talk about their injuries at the time for fear of their opponent trying to exploit it and/or to avoid the sort of attacks that come with "making excuses". There's little to gain, but some of us do like to know what's really going on so we can come to better judgements/conclusions.

[cdubbz]

It’s laughable how much Lebron tries to paint this picture of himself and change the narrative.

Soft cast after the NBA FInals and this? No one was bothering him but he had to say something lol

[Nutty Nats Fan]

This is just a social media plug for herself, nothing more.

LOL, no.

It is Lebron James authorizing her to leak this info, to make excuses for him.

If it was "just a social media plug for herself," she would be losing her job, license, and being sued by Lebron.

[BigShaq34]

So after Space Jam 2 flops, Lebron's optometrist is going to come out and say that Lebron was legally blind for the past 6 months.
GTFO.


BTW, this chick is a physical therapist. She has no training in determining how severe an injury is and how long it should take to recover. Her job is to put together exercises so the injury can heal properly. Physical therapists are not medical doctors.

it amazes me how stupid people can be, along with the morons that and 1 this post

[picc]

I actually overlooked at first that this was put out there by someone who worked FOR Lebron, and was most probably done at his behest. Wow. For some reason I thought it was just some random physician chiming in.

**** you if you still like this guy.

[XxIronChainzxX]

Embarrassing, just take the L and come back and do better.

What’s sad is that the excuse isn’t even coming from him.

[johanliebert]

It’s laughable how much Lebron tries to paint this picture of himself and change the narrative.

Soft cast after the NBA FInals and this? No one was bothering him but he had to say something lol

Not at all I’ve seen organizations do the same and it’s usually to smear a players name.

[Perishable517]

And the excuses begin to roll in....

Heh

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[michaelm]

So after Space Jam 2 flops, Lebron's optometrist is going to come out and say that Lebron was legally blind for the past 6 months.
GTFO.


BTW, this chick is a physical therapist. She has no training in determining how severe an injury is and how long it should take to recover. Her job is to put together exercises so the injury can heal properly. Physical therapists are not medical doctors.

it amazes me how stupid people can be, along with the morons that and 1 this post

Have to disagree about how likely the physiotherapist is to be informed.

Physiotherapists who specialise in sports injuries usually have a good idea about the diagnosis and prognosis of sports injuries, and if she is treating LeBron she pretty much has to be elite in her field, and would have been informed by the involved physician or physicians in any case.

How long such an injury takes to heal/needs to be rehabilitated is pretty much directly within her purview as the main party supervising/administering said rehabilitation.

[michaelm]

He didn't actually activate playoff mode because he didn't drop off social media, let alone start giving effort on defense; but there usually is an excuse when James' isn't playing up to snuff.

Why does the thought that he was something less than 100% after the injury insult people so much?

Is the narrative of the week more important than the truth?

Oh ...

Of course he can be playing while not 100%, he has done it his whole career and usually managed to play at a high level. He is now older, and has a different type of injury than he has had previously, and one that is particularly troublesome for an explosive athlete.

Some who are quibbling are likely still annoyed by the widespread attitude on here from Cavs/LeBron partisans towards Curry in regard to the 2016 finals ie that he was playing and hence couldn’t/didn’t have any impairment from a very definite injury which he suffered live on national TV and which kept him out for over 2 weeks earlier in the play-offs, and that it was obligatory to attribute his form in the GSW finals loss to choking and nothing else. This of course does not mean you or any other individual poster on this thread deserves to be tarred with the same brush.

I will say that Curry himself made no injury excuses, while LeBron usually manages to have it put out when he has an injury, for example the hand injury in the finals last year and the current injury, speaking about which would have been professional misconduct by the physiotherapist concerned if she spoke without his approval as others have said. I don’t doubt both injuries were/are genuine.

Curry's injury was well known and he clearly looked limited to me in the 2016 finals, but yes, I'm in the minority of Cavs fans who recognized that. Of course, I had no problem pointing out the nagging injuries the Cavs were dealing with as well. Heck, Steph's physical injury may very well have contributed to his mental errors as well.

It's understandable that players don't like to talk about their injuries at the time for fear of their opponent trying to exploit it and/or to avoid the sort of attacks that come with "making excuses". There's little to gain, but some of us do like to know what's really going on so we can come to better judgements/conclusions.

Sure. We pretty much agree.

GSW mainly lost because of stellar play by LeBron and Kyrie including LeBron’s defense on Curry, with good support from other Cavs players including TT’s rebounding. The fair thing is to assume the Cavs would have triumphed regardless since they did beat everyone who turned up to play them, including the version of Curry who actually turned up. I mainly invoke Curry being somewhat hampered in the 2016 finals when others insist he choked and nothing else, not infrequently the same posters who discounted the first GSW title on the basis of injuries to Cavs players. I have been annoyed by such double standards from some LeBron/Cavs fans, but not from you as I said.