Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

beg pardon ?

Until Mitch actually attempts a single shot I think the order I had is correct, but ... like I said in the OP, it's close ... and we'll see in the future.

so because frank attempts, and not makes too often, jumpers.... he's better ? is that it ? you realize by this logic he's also better than shaq in his prime.

no. we're both better than this - given your back catalogue of posts. let's think again.

I think it is close (evaluating right now) as to whether overall Frank or Mitch is going to be better long term. At the moment they are both (per advanced stats) very good at defence. Those stats aren't great - but they kinda correlate with our eye-tests. So those indicators should weigh somewhat. The offensive stats don't say much on either side (afiacs). In the best of all world they will be playing with each other (on d).

My real point was that Frank and Mitch are the two players the Knicks should strive to hang on to (modulo the Pels insisting on one of them for AD) because this is the upside of infinity that no other current Knicks player gives you a chance at.

[blueNorange]

i don't think the pelicans are asking frank over mitch in any trade discussions ...

and if they are, you trade frank and don't question why.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

i don't think the pelicans are asking frank over mitch in any trade discussions ...

and if they are, you trade frank and don't question why.

This is dumb. If the Pels want to trade AD for almost all of the Knicks assets then, unless the Pills-FO is much more strategic than I give them credit for, then Frank will be part of that trade - for salary cap reasons. Whether the Pels also try to exthort Mitch is another story. I imagine the Pills will be able to hold that off.

[god shammgod]

Until Mitch actually attempts a single shot I think the order I had is correct, but ... like I said in the OP, it's close ... and we'll see in the future.

so because frank attempts, and not makes too often, jumpers.... he's better ? is that it ? you realize by this logic he's also better than shaq in his prime.

no. we're both better than this - given your back catalogue of posts. let's think again.

I think it is close (evaluating right now) as to whether overall Frank or Mitch is going to be better long term. At the moment they are both (per advanced stats) very good at defence. Those stats aren't great - but they kinda correlate with our eye-tests. So those indicators should weigh somewhat. The offensive stats don't say much on either side (afiacs). In the best of all world they will be playing with each other (on d).

My real point was that Frank and Mitch are the two players the Knicks should strive to hang on to (modulo the Pels insisting on one of them for AD) because this is the upside of infinity that no other current Knicks player gives you a chance at.

it's fine to think frank has value and that the knicks should hold on to him. that's a reasonable position. but i assure you, if i could poll every single gm in the league, every single one of them would tell you that mitch has more value than frank. a good number of them would tell you knox has more value and knox is terrible.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Ok lemme explain something.
Frank does not have the value of his draft position. I don't think that's a stretch to suggest.
Donovan Mitchell likes the kid. Their games would mesh well in theory.

A kid who just happens to be a point guard who projects to play well off another star-type lead guard.
He's undervalued and likely available for peanuts.
If they did get Frank for #20 overall they'd feel like they won that trade (look at this draft).

They've formed what looks like a real friendship and appreciation for each other's games.
Donovan is on record of saying he wants to get guys to Utah. I don't think a KD or Kawhi would consider. So.....

Donovan Mitchell is a young, exciting franchise talent oozing with marketability untapped from playing in a small pond like Utah.
The world isn't as small as they want you to think. If he were playing in LA or NYC he'd be a mega rockstar.
You'd best keep him happy if you want to keep him long term. Ok, following?

They have Neto and Exum under contract next year. Exum is hurt again btw.
They actually project to have some decent cap space BUT they are in Utah.
So no free agent is going to want to go to Utah. Maybe Jabari Parker and Dwayne Dedmon?

But that's about as far as it goes for the list of young, Black professional basketball millionaires who would want to go play in Utah in their primes or approaching them.

So you likely get a guy via trade. Not an overpaid has-been but a young player on a rookie scale deal, one who would maybe see his future in Salt Lake (because culture and comfort matter). One you can add to the core along with Donovan and Rudy.
That would be a win.

Stylistically they are a perfect fit. And he wouldn't cost much.

And again, if you are investing time and resource in a player, you'd better anticipate his potential comfort level in the locker room.
It matters in a major way.....so yes, the French thing does factor. Does "international flavor" matter to the Spurs culture, Toronto, Dallas, etc?

When selecting a player for our very own coach, you think the players' background doesn't matter? After all we've seen and been lead to speculate, would you REEEALLLLYYY go out and force say, another euro big man on Fiz? Language, culture and other cultural gaps do exist, it's still the real world. And yeah, you'd wish it wasn't the case but it would be foolish to ignore recent history (Gasol, Kanter).
Now yes, in realGM speak, I just said Fiz hates White people. And that's cool too.

....and seriously, some would argue Frank is worth much more than a late first in a weak draft.....and some would say he's worth a second rounder with protection. Until he's traded or not, we have no idea. But it makes all the sense in the world.

Now blooodclaat eediat ball boy.....
STFU and GTFO

Is the Ballboy insult supposed to bother me? What are you 10? You certainly do know how to ramble on. Your rational still sounds unrealistic. A first round pick for Frank because he is friends with a player and he is french. You let me know when this dream comes true.

STFU and GTFO!

*slow nod of approval*

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Classy

It's board tradition ballboy. Everyone goes through it. Now...kindly STFU and GTFO!

Oh I have no problem with what you're saying. Its a forum. The internet where you can say anything at all without repercussions. You wouldn't say it to me in person so continue. Too bad you can't make a coherent basketball point.

Cmon man, it's all in fun and it is tradition here.

Ahhh brings me back to my days as a ballboy, when me old school mum would make us beans and mash before a rousing game of meat helmet rugby with the other children......there was no internet back then, you know.....

Just PCP.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

so because frank attempts, and not makes too often, jumpers.... he's better ? is that it ? you realize by this logic he's also better than shaq in his prime.

no. we're both better than this - given your back catalogue of posts. let's think again.

I think it is close (evaluating right now) as to whether overall Frank or Mitch is going to be better long term. At the moment they are both (per advanced stats) very good at defence. Those stats aren't great - but they kinda correlate with our eye-tests. So those indicators should weigh somewhat. The offensive stats don't say much on either side (afiacs). In the best of all world they will be playing with each other (on d).

My real point was that Frank and Mitch are the two players the Knicks should strive to hang on to (modulo the Pels insisting on one of them for AD) because this is the upside of infinity that no other current Knicks player gives you a chance at.

it's fine to think frank has value and that the knicks should hold on to him. that's a reasonable position. but i assure you, if i could poll every single gm in the league. every single one of them would tell you that mitch has more value than frank. a good number of them would tell you knox has more value and knox is terrible.

Mkay .. but if your poll was correct then that would just show you how badly gms in the league evaluate talent.And that misevaluation would probably be striking.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Knox .. I'm pretty sure he's the #3 that the Knicks should hang on to. Again .. I like Dot's game and I think Trier will have a career in the league. But you have to look at KK, for all his flaws.

fwiw, I think there's a gap between the long term value of Mitch and Frank x Kev ... a.o.r.n. but really maybe not that much in expected value - the notional value that they will have under reasonable probability distributions

[god shammgod]

no. we're both better than this - given your back catalogue of posts. let's think again.

I think it is close (evaluating right now) as to whether overall Frank or Mitch is going to be better long term. At the moment they are both (per advanced stats) very good at defence. Those stats aren't great - but they kinda correlate with our eye-tests. So those indicators should weigh somewhat. The offensive stats don't say much on either side (afiacs). In the best of all world they will be playing with each other (on d).

My real point was that Frank and Mitch are the two players the Knicks should strive to hang on to (modulo the Pels insisting on one of them for AD) because this is the upside of infinity that no other current Knicks player gives you a chance at.

it's fine to think frank has value and that the knicks should hold on to him. that's a reasonable position. but i assure you, if i could poll every single gm in the league. every single one of them would tell you that mitch has more value than frank. a good number of them would tell you knox has more value and knox is terrible.

Mkay .. but if your poll was correct then that would just show you how badly gms in the league evaluate talent.And that misevaluation would probably be striking.

i'm not a frank hater at all but be honest, has frank improved at all from year 1 ? in anything tangible ? i think his defense was even better last year honestly. this hasn't been a good year.

[BBALLER4FR]

no. we're both better than this - given your back catalogue of posts. let's think again.

I think it is close (evaluating right now) as to whether overall Frank or Mitch is going to be better long term. At the moment they are both (per advanced stats) very good at defence. Those stats aren't great - but they kinda correlate with our eye-tests. So those indicators should weigh somewhat. The offensive stats don't say much on either side (afiacs). In the best of all world they will be playing with each other (on d).

My real point was that Frank and Mitch are the two players the Knicks should strive to hang on to (modulo the Pels insisting on one of them for AD) because this is the upside of infinity that no other current Knicks player gives you a chance at.

it's fine to think frank has value and that the knicks should hold on to him. that's a reasonable position. but i assure you, if i could poll every single gm in the league. every single one of them would tell you that mitch has more value than frank. a good number of them would tell you knox has more value and knox is terrible.

Mkay .. but if your poll was correct then that would just show you how badly gms in the league evaluate talent.And that misevaluation would probably be striking.

Yeeeaaahhhh. I'm watching you.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

it's fine to think frank has value and that the knicks should hold on to him. that's a reasonable position. but i assure you, if i could poll every single gm in the league. every single one of them would tell you that mitch has more value than frank. a good number of them would tell you knox has more value and knox is terrible.

Mkay .. but if your poll was correct then that would just show you how badly gms in the league evaluate talent.And that misevaluation would probably be striking.

i'm not a frank hater at all but be honest, has frank improved at all from year 1 ? in anything tangible ? i think his defense was even better last year honestly. this hasn't been a good yyear.

His defense was better last year (statistically) because of the time when he played with KP - when they had league-elite defence no matter who the other 3 players were.

On the general point, let me get back to you tomorrow.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Classy

It's board tradition ballboy. Everyone goes through it. Now...kindly STFU and GTFO!

Oh I have no problem with what you're saying. Its a forum. The internet where you can say anything at all without repercussions. You wouldn't say it to me in person so continue. Too bad you can't make a coherent basketball point.

I would say it directly to your face if there's reason to. That's irrelevant. It's a board tradition. That's all. No one is playing internet tough guy...except you. Now take your lumps and get over it. Just like every other poster here has.

[Knickgm2190]

It's board tradition ballboy. Everyone goes through it. Now...kindly STFU and GTFO!

Oh I have no problem with what you're saying. Its a forum. The internet where you can say anything at all without repercussions. You wouldn't say it to me in person so continue. Too bad you can't make a coherent basketball point.

I would say it directly to your face if there's reason to. That's irrelevant. It's a board tradition. That's all. No one is playing internet tough guy...except you. Now take your lumps and get over it. Just like every other poster here has.

As I said you can say what you want but if you want to actually talk knicks in person you let me know. That being said, I'm here to talk basketball. So unless you have something intelligent to say don't say it to me.

[NYKAL]

It's board tradition ballboy. Everyone goes through it. Now...kindly STFU and GTFO!

Oh I have no problem with what you're saying. Its a forum. The internet where you can say anything at all without repercussions. You wouldn't say it to me in person so continue. Too bad you can't make a coherent basketball point.

I would say it directly to your face if there's reason to. That's irrelevant. It's a board tradition. That's all. No one is playing internet tough guy...except you. Now take your lumps and get over it. Just like every other poster here has.

gotta support my fellow vet, STFU & GTFO was a tradition when I arrived and has continued to be one. ALL THE BALL BOYS suffer it. TRADITION, just move past the hazing and you'll be good.

[Knickgm2190]

Oh I have no problem with what you're saying. Its a forum. The internet where you can say anything at all without repercussions. You wouldn't say it to me in person so continue. Too bad you can't make a coherent basketball point.

I would say it directly to your face if there's reason to. That's irrelevant. It's a board tradition. That's all. No one is playing internet tough guy...except you. Now take your lumps and get over it. Just like every other poster here has.

gotta support my fellow vet, STFU & GTFO was a tradition when I arrived and has continued to be one. ALL THE BALL BOYS suffer it. TRADITION, just move past the hazing and you'll be good.

Hazing....I'm no pledge. People want to play games they need to pick up a playstation. I'm here to talk knicks. I give common respect to everyone. I'm not the one who needs to move on.

[Knicksfan20]

Hazing....I'm no pledge. People want to play games they need to pick up a playstation. I'm here to talk knicks. I give common respect to everyone. I'm not the one who needs to move on.

Man... take your sensitive ass elsewhere. STFU & GTFO

[Knickgm2190]

Hazing....I'm no pledge. People want to play games they need to pick up a playstation. I'm here to talk knicks. I give common respect to everyone. I'm not the one who needs to move on.

Man... take your sensitive ass elsewhere. STFU & GTFO

I have every right to post on this forum as you do.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Oh I have no problem with what you're saying. Its a forum. The internet where you can say anything at all without repercussions. You wouldn't say it to me in person so continue. Too bad you can't make a coherent basketball point.

I would say it directly to your face if there's reason to. That's irrelevant. It's a board tradition. That's all. No one is playing internet tough guy...except you. Now take your lumps and get over it. Just like every other poster here has.

As I said you can say what you want but if you want to actually talk knicks in person you let me know. That being said, I'm here to talk basketball. So unless you have something intelligent to say don't say it to me.

Ok...then STFU and GTFO.

[Billy Goat]

frank is gonna have to figure out how to shoot or how to become such a force on defense that people will live with him not shooting. if not he probably won't last in the league. i do think we've probably seen the last of him here. they're gonna want his money used for a veteran role player when kd & kyrie come. they aren't gonna surround those two with nothing but young kids. it's gonna be a mix.

He has to figure out how to get on the court first. Minor strains at 20 years old and sitting out basically the entire season just is a bad look all around. He wont last in the league.

[King of Canada]

I would say it directly to your face if there's reason to. That's irrelevant. It's a board tradition. That's all. No one is playing internet tough guy...except you. Now take your lumps and get over it. Just like every other poster here has.

As I said you can say what you want but if you want to actually talk knicks in person you let me know. That being said, I'm here to talk basketball. So unless you have something intelligent to say don't say it to me.

Ok...then STFU and GTFO.

Knickgm2190 - welcome to the board. The STFU and GTFOs might throw you off, but it's all love! There's no hazing and all posters are welcome to post their opinions within the board etiquette. Just take your STFU and GTFOs and proceed. It's all in fun.

Let's get this back on topic. Hot take - Frank hopefully will be on the roster next year, but in the Ron Baker role with time to grow?