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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#81 » by Illmatic12 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:44 pm

Culver's game is reminiscent of pre-injury Gordon Hayward . I think he'll be a late bloomer like Hayward was in Utah and will eventually develop into that level of player.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#82 » by King Ken » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:18 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Culver's game is reminiscent of pre-injury Gordon Hayward . I think he'll be a late bloomer like Hayward was in Utah and will eventually develop into that level of player.

Heyward was a tremendous slasher at Butler who had a far more projectable shooting form. His ability to draw fouls off of the dribble drive was tremendous as a prospect.

I also don't see LeVert, a much better shooter out of UM with a superior shooting form.

His range is Steve Smith and Evan Turner. Just due to the change in how the game is played in 2019, Evan Turner is his 95% precentile. Both were elite college players as well.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#83 » by Chi town » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:25 am

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Illmatic12 wrote:Culver's game is reminiscent of pre-injury Gordon Hayward . I think he'll be a late bloomer like Hayward was in Utah and will eventually develop into that level of player.

Heyward was a tremendous slasher at Butler who had a far more projectable shooting form. His ability to draw fouls off of the dribble drive was tremendous as a prospect.

I also don't see LeVert, a much better shooter out of UM with a superior shooting form.

His range is Steve Smith and Evan Turner. Just due to the change in how the game is played in 2019, Evan Turner is his 95% precentile. Both were elite college players as well.


I don’t see Turner at all. Culver is smooth, makes his teammates better, and always makes everything look easy. Turner is a ball stopper that makes everything look like hard work.

I like the Hayward comp. Have forgotten his injury game. Culver will have to get that hitch out of his shot though.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#84 » by Illmatic12 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:09 am

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Illmatic12 wrote:Culver's game is reminiscent of pre-injury Gordon Hayward . I think he'll be a late bloomer like Hayward was in Utah and will eventually develop into that level of player.

Heyward was a tremendous slasher at Butler who had a far more projectable shooting form. His ability to draw fouls off of the dribble drive was tremendous as a prospect.

I also don't see LeVert, a much better shooter out of UM with a superior shooting form.

His range is Steve Smith and Evan Turner. Just due to the change in how the game is played in 2019, Evan Turner is his 95% precentile. Both were elite college players as well.

Evan Turner doesn't have the same feel for the game. He slows the game down and tries to force passes , and chucks too many midrange jumpers. In general, what scouts missed with Turner is that he's not really a true "point forward", rather than reading the defense he predetermines what he's going to do before the play starts and is too predictable

Culver has an innate ability to play within the flow of the game. He's one of those guys who will just keep making the right play over and over, and before you know it he has 20pts 5 ast 5 reb but never seemed like he was forcing it.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#85 » by King Ken » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:40 am

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Illmatic12 wrote:Culver's game is reminiscent of pre-injury Gordon Hayward . I think he'll be a late bloomer like Hayward was in Utah and will eventually develop into that level of player.

Heyward was a tremendous slasher at Butler who had a far more projectable shooting form. His ability to draw fouls off of the dribble drive was tremendous as a prospect.

I also don't see LeVert, a much better shooter out of UM with a superior shooting form.

His range is Steve Smith and Evan Turner. Just due to the change in how the game is played in 2019, Evan Turner is his 95% precentile. Both were elite college players as well.

Evan Turner doesn't have the same feel for the game. He slows the game down and tries to force passes , and chucks too many midrange jumpers. In general, what scouts missed with Turner is that he's not really a true "point forward", rather than reading the defense he predetermines what he's going to do before the play starts and is too predictable

Culver has an innate ability to play within the flow of the game. He's one of those guys who will just keep making the right play over and over, and before you know it he has 20pts 5 ast 5 reb but never seemed like he was forcing it.

Turner did force too many passes even at Ohio State but a number of these things, Culver does too. I thought the scouts got it right on Turner, he is a point forward. I am not sure what you mean by true point forward?

It's a lot easier to play within the flow when you are physically better than most. Turner was pretty smooth and let the game come to him at Ohio State. I see a lot of underrating Turner. He was a beast in college like Culver but it's easy when you can physically impose your will at that level with that level of polish and skill. At their size, they can't do it in the NBA. Maybe if they were Luka or Iso Joe's size but not as they are built.





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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#86 » by King Ken » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:43 am

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Illmatic12 wrote:Culver's game is reminiscent of pre-injury Gordon Hayward . I think he'll be a late bloomer like Hayward was in Utah and will eventually develop into that level of player.

Heyward was a tremendous slasher at Butler who had a far more projectable shooting form. His ability to draw fouls off of the dribble drive was tremendous as a prospect.

I also don't see LeVert, a much better shooter out of UM with a superior shooting form.

His range is Steve Smith and Evan Turner. Just due to the change in how the game is played in 2019, Evan Turner is his 95% precentile. Both were elite college players as well.


I don’t see Turner at all. Culver is smooth, makes his teammates better, and always makes everything look easy. Turner is a ball stopper that makes everything look like hard work.

I like the Hayward comp. Have forgotten his injury game. Culver will have to get that hitch out of his shot though.

There is nothing that suggest Hayward is a reasonable comp for him. They don't even have the same athletic type of archetype.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/06/draft-notes-realistic-jarrett-culver/

Everything will look like hard work for Culver too in the NBA.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#87 » by clyde21 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:16 am

people are comparing Culver to Evan Turner as if it's some sort of dig but Turner was drafted 2nd overall for a reason too.

but there are diffrences...for one Culver's about a year and half younger than Turner when is going to be drafted. also Culver has gone through a pretty big growth spurt the last couple of years and you can tell he's starting to get used to using his body in the paint on offense and on defense on the perimeter. Culver's projects to be a better defender than Turner as well. Turner has a pretty mediocre wingspan at 6-8 for his position while Culver should come at a ~7" wingspan going by the eyeball test.

also you can tell Turner never really worked on his body once he got in the NBA and at times he's actually looked slow and out of shape so his lack of development in that department shouldn't really be projected onto Culver either.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#88 » by Chi town » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:09 pm

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King Ken wrote:Heyward was a tremendous slasher at Butler who had a far more projectable shooting form. His ability to draw fouls off of the dribble drive was tremendous as a prospect.

I also don't see LeVert, a much better shooter out of UM with a superior shooting form.

His range is Steve Smith and Evan Turner. Just due to the change in how the game is played in 2019, Evan Turner is his 95% precentile. Both were elite college players as well.


I don’t see Turner at all. Culver is smooth, makes his teammates better, and always makes everything look easy. Turner is a ball stopper that makes everything look like hard work.

I like the Hayward comp. Have forgotten his injury game. Culver will have to get that hitch out of his shot though.

There is nothing that suggest Hayward is a reasonable comp for him. They don't even have the same athletic type of archetype.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/06/draft-notes-realistic-jarrett-culver/

Everything will look like hard work for Culver too in the NBA.


Hayward didn’t look that athletic in college either. He grew into his body and his strength helped him a ton.

The open floor and flow of the nba game will help culver too. He’s high IQ that pops even more in the pros.

I like the Joe Johnson camp too.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#89 » by King Ken » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:44 pm

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Chi town wrote:
I don’t see Turner at all. Culver is smooth, makes his teammates better, and always makes everything look easy. Turner is a ball stopper that makes everything look like hard work.

I like the Hayward comp. Have forgotten his injury game. Culver will have to get that hitch out of his shot though.

There is nothing that suggest Hayward is a reasonable comp for him. They don't even have the same athletic type of archetype.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/06/draft-notes-realistic-jarrett-culver/

Everything will look like hard work for Culver too in the NBA.


Hayward didn’t look that athletic in college either. He grew into his body and his strength helped him a ton.

The open floor and flow of the nba game will help culver too. He’s high IQ that pops even more in the pros.

I like the Joe Johnson camp too.

Hayward had excellent straight line speed and shooting threat opened up his dribble drive lanes. That and his ability to draw fouls made it possible for him to translate into the NBA as a #2 option the way he did.

Joe Johnson was 225 as a prospect and developed to become 240. Add the fact that Joe has always been an excellent shooter with a very projectable shooting form, you just have a completely different comparison.

His hope is clear. That he transforms his shooting form, becomes an elite difficult shot maker from range and gains at least 15 to 20 more pounds to play within 230-235 range. If he can't meet these marks, his potential is shot for me. The NBA is a game of margins. Culver is on the other side for me unfortunately compared to his college marks
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#90 » by Illmatic12 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:52 pm

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Chi town wrote:
King Ken wrote:There is nothing that suggest Hayward is a reasonable comp for him. They don't even have the same athletic type of archetype.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/06/draft-notes-realistic-jarrett-culver/

Everything will look like hard work for Culver too in the NBA.


Hayward didn’t look that athletic in college either. He grew into his body and his strength helped him a ton.

The open floor and flow of the nba game will help culver too. He’s high IQ that pops even more in the pros.

I like the Joe Johnson camp too.

Hayward had excellent straight line speed and shooting threat opened up his dribble drive lanes. That and his ability to draw fouls made it possible for him to translate into the NBA as a #2 option the way he did.

Joe Johnson was 225 as a prospect and developed to become 240. Add the fact that Joe has always been an excellent shooter with a very projectable shooting form, you just have a completely different comparison.

His hope is clear. That he transforms his shooting form, becomes an elite difficult shot maker from range and gains at least 15 to 20 more pounds to play within 230-235 range. If he can't meet these marks, his potential is shot for me. The NBA is a game of margins. Culver is on the other side for me unfortunately compared to his college marks

I don't think any of those improvements are particularly unlikely. In fact I'd say they're all fairly likely.

The thing you like about Culver are his physical tools. The kid is going to be huge . He's got to be pushing 6'8 , long wingspan and his frame is extremely broad .. you look his shoulders , they are wide and at 20yo he is capable of packing on more muscle. He could stand side-by-side with an NBA 4 like Harrison Barnes or Tobias Harris and not look out of place.


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If Culver projects to be PF-sized , he immediately becomes much more valuable defensively which is where any Evan Turner comps falls apart. His offensive-upside as a secondary-creator is icing on the cake.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#91 » by King Ken » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:00 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
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Hayward didn’t look that athletic in college either. He grew into his body and his strength helped him a ton.

The open floor and flow of the nba game will help culver too. He’s high IQ that pops even more in the pros.

I like the Joe Johnson camp too.

Hayward had excellent straight line speed and shooting threat opened up his dribble drive lanes. That and his ability to draw fouls made it possible for him to translate into the NBA as a #2 option the way he did.

Joe Johnson was 225 as a prospect and developed to become 240. Add the fact that Joe has always been an excellent shooter with a very projectable shooting form, you just have a completely different comparison.

His hope is clear. That he transforms his shooting form, becomes an elite difficult shot maker from range and gains at least 15 to 20 more pounds to play within 230-235 range. If he can't meet these marks, his potential is shot for me. The NBA is a game of margins. Culver is on the other side for me unfortunately compared to his college marks

I don't think any of those improvements are particularly unlikely. In fact I'd say they're all fairly likely.

The thing you like about Culver are his physical tools. The kid is going to be huge . He's got to be pushing 6'8 , long wingspan and his frame is extremely broad .. you look his shoulders , they are wide and at 20yo he is capable of packing on more muscle. He could stand side-by-side with an NBA 4 like Harrison Barnes or Tobias Harris and not look out of place.


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If Culver projects to be PF-sized , he immediately becomes much more valuable defensively which is where any Evan Turner comps falls apart. His offensive-upside as a secondary-creator is icing on the cake.

If you feel those Marks can be reach. You got an excellent #2 who can add tremendous value.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#92 » by doordoor123 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:31 pm

Culver is probably 6’6, a lot of college players look bigger on screen because they play with smaller players. It’s an illusion because we’re used to seeing in the NBA. Guy like Yogi Ferrell looked bigger in college. DeAndre Hunter looks like he’s 6’9, but he’s 6’7.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#93 » by clyde21 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:23 pm

Culver looks bigger on screen than Huerter did last year who came in at 6-6.25 without shoes.

I think Culver comes in at 6-7 without shoes.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#94 » by kobyz » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:40 pm

Very similar prospect to SGA of last year draft...
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#95 » by No-Man » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:14 pm

I keep coming back to Jimmy Butler, I mentioned it back in November, but he is going to be ridiculously strong if he puts in the work, just has that type of body, and with his ball skills/fluidity/feel, he kinda gives me that type of vibe
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#96 » by kobyz » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:00 pm

Fischella wrote:I keep coming back to Jimmy Butler, I mentioned it back in November, but he is going to be ridiculously strong if he puts in the work, just has that type of body, and with his ball skills/fluidity/feel, he kinda gives me that type of vibe

just not the same athlete
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#97 » by peZt » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:59 pm

Haven't seen enough of him. Is he a good fit with the Hawks as a secondary ball handler next to Trae? Or wouldn't he get the touches he needs
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#98 » by CP War Hawks » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:34 pm

Probably will have the frame of Joe Johnson with similar athletic measurables. Joe has the better offensive tools while Culver seems to have better defensive tools.
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Post#99 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:48 pm

You're picking between Culver and Barrett - which do you choose and what's the main deciding factor?
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Post#100 » by doordoor123 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:01 pm

Ruzious wrote:You're picking between Culver and Barrett - which do you choose and what's the main deciding factor?


I think we’re all underrating Barrett, so Barrett is my answer. Look, Barrett might not be a good defender right now, but it’s not a foregone conclusion. He’s 19. I’m watching D’Angelo Russell the other day remembering how terrible a defender he was when he was drafted and he’s actually pretty good now. It’s all about wanting to be good on that end and having the coaching staff supporting that kind of development. And I believe he can become a better shooter. Plus what he can do on offense and on the boards very few guards can do. I would much rather bet on Barrett.

I do still really like Culver and honestly I don’t see much downside to him, I just believe in the guy who wants to be great, is the godson of Steve Nash, and the guy who has been highly recruited for a while. I also just like his tools more.

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