Political Roundtable Part XXV

[montestewart]

Rs were banking more on this outcome than Ds were banking on the other. A Trump Over America tour, a bunch of proclamations and executive orders, more tax cut and deregulation proposals, and more smoke machines. "YOU MAD?" is basically the follow up plan. Going forward, the Trump speech cut up tapes will be fabulous.

PS: STD, your "sphinter" reference is sophomorically homophobic and makes light of sexual assault. Was that your intent?

no. god no. absolutley not. most of my closest friends are gay. and I believe in the kinsey scale. I think everyone is about 80% straight. I am pro homo. and fully support gay marriage. and said so many times!

Let's gravitate away from sexual metaphors of unpleasantness and start employing allusions that are more uniformly embraced as necessarily connoting unpleasantness. "Punch in the face" works pretty well, unless you're in a fight club.

[Ruzious]

Rs were banking more on this outcome than Ds were banking on the other. A Trump Over America tour, a bunch of proclamations and executive orders, more tax cut and deregulation proposals, and more smoke machines. "YOU MAD?" is basically the follow up plan. Going forward, the Trump speech cut up tapes will be fabulous.

PS: STD, your "sphinter" reference is sophomorically homophobic and makes light of sexual assault. Was that your intent?

no. god no. absolutley not. most of my closest friends are gay. and I believe in the kinsey scale. I think everyone is about 80% straight. I am pro homo. and fully support gay marriage. and said so many times!

Let's gravitate away from sexual metaphors of unpleasantness and start employing allusions that are more uniformly embraced as necessarily connoting unpleasantness. "Punch in the face" works pretty well, unless you're in a fight club.

"Alternatively", I'd like to request that before every time SD replies to one of my posts - he be required to punch himself in the balls. Fair?

[I_Like_Dirt]

I hear you... and then you have Trump wanting to expand the military and then we have those that want to increase social program spending and then Trump's tax stimulus and then another discussion on wild stimulus plans

Are there no grownups in the room - where did they all go? I guess you have Pelosi and PAYGO.

That's sort of the catch, though. The military and social programs are a bit separate in my view. I'm not actually opposed to expanding either one of them, I just want to see costs controlled a bit more on those fronts because they're totally out of control at this point. It's the stimulus that hurts. Tax cuts, lobbying for forms of tax evasion under other names, deregulation allowing for offloading of costs onto future generations or other parts of the economy. And keep in mind I'm all for simplifying regulation while strengthening it and increasing enforcement, just not deregulation for its own sake or for the sake of some immediate term economic benefit without assessing where the full costs of those benefits.

The economy is supposed to be roaring. But if it's truly a great economy we should be seeing some sort of collective benefit from it and we really aren't. Instead, we're seeing a staggering increase in wealth disparities and increasing amounts of subsidizing the economy - and a roaring economy shouldn't require levels of subsidies, in whichever form, to keep it roaring because it's really not a roaring economy at that point and instead just one that pretends to be one by leaning for public funds/supports without paying for those supports themselves.

[dckingsfan]

That's sort of the catch, though. The military and social programs are a bit separate in my view. I'm not actually opposed to expanding either one of them, I just want to see costs controlled a bit more on those fronts because they're totally out of control at this point.

Agreed, we can't continue to expand either at this point. They need to become sustainable against receipts.

It's the stimulus that hurts.

Yep, one of the stupidest stimulus of our time.

Tax cuts, lobbying for forms of tax evasion under other names, deregulation allowing for offloading of costs onto future generations or other parts of the economy. And keep in mind I'm all for simplifying regulation while strengthening it and increasing enforcement, just not deregulation for its own sake or for the sake of some immediate term economic benefit without assessing where the full costs of those benefits.

Yep, interesting that they want a cost/benefit assessment when putting on new regulation but not when taking them off.

The economy is supposed to be roaring. But if it's truly a great economy we should be seeing some sort of collective benefit from it and we really aren't. Instead, we're seeing a staggering increase in wealth disparities and increasing amounts of subsidizing the economy - and a roaring economy shouldn't require levels of subsidies, in whichever form, to keep it roaring because it's really not a roaring economy at that point and instead just one that pretends to be one by leaning for public funds/supports without paying for those supports themselves.

Well, roaring. We haven't had roaring in a long time. But they could have proved sustainable if they had reduced corporate and personal tax rates to a level that would have continued increasing receipts (actually, receipts are growing just not as fast as outlays).

But the wealth disparity isn't due to the stimulus - it is the fairness in the tax code. Something neither party seems inclined to fix - see the recent comments about increasing marginal rates but not fixing the tax code.

It is an ugly mess. A British MP (Jess Phillips) described it as: We are being ruled by idiots who only speak to other idiots and so don't know they are idiots.

[closg00]

The Barr Report is a scam, here is an excellent recap of the reasons why

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[Ruzious]

The Barr Report is a scam, here is an excellent recap of the reasons why

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I would replace the word All with ANYTHING.

[gtn130]

Yeah, it can't be said enough that we haven't seen the actual report. We've seen what the AG handpicked to end the investigation said about it.

[Pointgod]

I need STD and Nate in here to come and eat crow regarding Jussie Smollet. Looks like all charges dropped! Is the MAGA asshats going to admit they were wrong or they going to hide like cockroaches when the lights come on?

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[montestewart]

I need STD and Nate in here to come and eat crow regarding Jussie Smollet. Looks like all charges dropped! Is the MAGA asshats going to admit they were wrong or they going to hide like cockroaches when the lights come on?

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Your irony may be too nuanced for these parts.

[stilldropin20]

I need STD and Nate in here to come and eat crow regarding Jussie Smollet. Looks like all charges dropped! Is the MAGA asshats going to admit they were wrong or they going to hide like cockroaches when the lights come on?

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Your irony may be too nuanced for these parts.

i leave it to rahm emmanual, Democrat.

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[stilldropin20]

more importantly

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[montestewart]

I need STD and Nate in here to come and eat crow regarding Jussie Smollet. Looks like all charges dropped! Is the MAGA asshats going to admit they were wrong or they going to hide like cockroaches when the lights come on?

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Your irony may be too nuanced for these parts.

i leave it to rahm emmanual, Democrat.

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Case in point

[stilldropin20]

this is how winning is done!!

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[stilldropin20]

Your irony may be too nuanced for these parts.

i leave it to rahm emmanual, Democrat.

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Case in point

there's no irony about it. Nor nuance. Donald trump is completely innocent of colluding or conspiring to collude with russians. if there was even a shred of evidence to the contrary you'd see it. or you will see it. most likely would have already seen because the gang of 8 could see all of mueller's and intel's evidence for years. Yes...i'm talking about the evidence that Schiff pretended was direct evidence of collusion.


Worse, Trump was completely and entirely set up and framed by OBama and the OBama DOJ, nsa, cia as Obama was on his way out of office. has Obama no decency??? What obama did was literally 10 million times worse than anything Nixon did. Trump was given a 2.5 year colonoscopy and they attempted to ruin his presidency....heck...they literally tried to frame him then impeach him. Imagine that! The audacity of it!!!!

Jussie Smollet flat out lied and faked multiple hate crimes. I dont see any type of connection there at all. let alone any nuanced irony.

oh wait...i get it now...you guys still have NOT accepted that trump is actually 100% innocent of colluding or conspiring to collude!! You still think he did it!!

all i can say is prepare to be spit roasted on the boomerang. and think of it this way...if you've never been spit roasted, have you truly ever lived? I know lots a guys that would say a definitive no. So Get out there. try some new things. Live a little! Loosen up. and lube up! 2020 and 2024 gonna be fun! You'll get the trump/lindsay graham double stuff!! now if that's not something that'll get your juices flowin then i dont know what is.

[dobrojim]

Based on all this evidence that Mueller found there’s no doubt that Russia interfered in the election in an attempt to primarily discredit Clinton and second throw it to Trump. 7 Trump associates are going to jail and Roger Stone has been indicted based on lies related to the stolen emails from the DNC. Trump and his inner circle may not have been directly implicated, but they’ve chosen to surround themselves with criminals. It’s also a proven fact that Trump was doing a deal with Russia during the campaign, Jared had a back channel setup with Russia, The Steele dossier which hasn’t been discredited. The Mueller report needs to be released to the public and more investigations need to occur regarding the not so coincidental ties between Trump and Russia. I want to know why Mueller declined charges and also if any other investigations were farmed out to other departments. The public needs to know.

The most telling thing about the Russian interference is the Trump response to it.
His psyche won't allow him to admit he got help (even if he didn't know about).
The sanctity of our elections is so important that he has done zip-slant-doodily squat
about it. He won't admit or interfere if the Russians do the same thing again.
So they (Russians) are bound to try again. Why wouldn't they. It succeeded
the first time beyond their wildest dreams.

[stilldropin20]

Based on all this evidence that Mueller found there’s no doubt that Russia interfered in the election in an attempt to primarily discredit Clinton and second throw it to Trump. 7 Trump associates are going to jail and Roger Stone has been indicted based on lies related to the stolen emails from the DNC. Trump and his inner circle may not have been directly implicated, but they’ve chosen to surround themselves with criminals. It’s also a proven fact that Trump was doing a deal with Russia during the campaign, Jared had a back channel setup with Russia, The Steele dossier which hasn’t been discredited. The Mueller report needs to be released to the public and more investigations need to occur regarding the not so coincidental ties between Trump and Russia. I want to know why Mueller declined charges and also if any other investigations were farmed out to other departments. The public needs to know.

The most telling thing about the Russian interference is the Trump response to it.
His psyche won't allow him to admit he got help (even if he didn't know about).
The sanctity of our elections is so important that he has done zip-slant-doodily squat
about it. He won't admit or interfere if the Russians do the same thing again.
So they (Russians) are bound to try again. Why wouldn't they. It succeeded
the first time beyond their wildest dreams.

somebody. anybody. please show me one of these super swaying russian ads from one of the 13 troll in the basement. At this point i just gotta see one of these ads that is so damn good it could change a vote for hillary to a vote for trump. I just gotta see this super marketing genius and get him or her here on an H1B and start doing marketing for me. oh wait. cant do that...Mueller's got em on subpeona. well just gonna have to do it over the phone. These basement trolls are geniuses!!!!!

[dobrojim]

That's sort of the catch, though. The military and social programs are a bit separate in my view. I'm not actually opposed to expanding either one of them, I just want to see costs controlled a bit more on those fronts because they're totally out of control at this point.

I'm can't agree with any expansion of military spending.

The reasons:

It enables people in power to believe that many, most or all of our foreign policy challenges can
be solved by military intervention. No one ever asks, then what?

It's been so bloated for so long the idea of an actual audit is a joke.
More money cannot cure that. Actual accounting is needed for accountability.
Actual accounting cannot be done in a universe that large.

Military spending gives us the least bang for the buck of any govt spending
(except for interest payments).

No pol would propose this but it would make sense to say our military
budget should be capped at no larger than the next 3-5 (at most)
biggest national military budgets (admittedly pulling that number
out of my ass). They should consider that generous. If they can't
make us safe while outspending the next several countries
combined, adding more money is just throwing good money after bad.

[stilldropin20]

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pretty much.

[stilldropin20]

oh cool! look at this! buying votes!! standard operating procedures for the libs! Get your free stuff!! money for everyone!! raises for everyone!! Vote for me!!

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[stilldropin20]

btw, i'm running for president!!

Here's my platform:

1. $24,000 per year UBI for every single american that was born here
2. has at least 3 children.
3. and has been here living in this country for 35 years or longer
4. and is younger than 55.
5. or is a veterans of 2 years of honorable service or more.


if you dont qualify for that i offering $12,000 per year raises for all other americans that work 40 hours per week (FOR SMALL BUSINESSES) for more for at least 6 months straight. Everyone. You work for a small business? You get $1000 per month.

I am going to pay for it by:

1. removing all health care for everyone younger than 60 (you get a raise described above to buy your own healthcare)
2. removing all guaranteed college loans benefits. (colleges will have to guarantee their own loans and therefore have skin in the game for educating their student. Bad education? poorly vetted student? Too bad for you if they fail to repay their loans.
3. removing all disaster relief funding and passing a law that requires all insurance companies to unsure for disasters. and they cant go bankrupt. They must pay out for damages.