Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[prophet_of_rage]

Guys, he couldn't beat out the likes of Burke or Mudiay for the starting role. If you can't beat out these two guys who had a one foot out of the league, I have to question either you ability or motor.

Something is lacking on the offensive side but, his defense and team first attitude are enough for me to appreciate what he can do.

Not beating guys out for the starting role has less to do with ability and more to do with who the FO likes more

By pretty much all metrics, there's not much difference in our play if Frank's starting, but that's the thing

Fiz chose Mudiay because he made a promise to get him right, despite the fact that Mudiay is likely gone after this year because of the cap situation

We went 4-10 with Frank starting this year, 3-6 with him starting at PG (the one stretch of the year we actually played defense). Then Fiz changed the lineup and said "it wasn't winning anyways" and we've gone 10-50 since.

I'm not saying we win more games with Frank than those other guys, but it's not like we could be much worse.

The FO doesn't see Frank as a PG, which I've accepted. I still think it's a terrible idea to give up on a guy that shows that much defensive potential and is a jumpshot away from being a very good role player

You think Fiz plays Mudiay because of a pinky swear? Didn't he also tell Knox he would throw him to the wolves on defence. That didn't happen. Lot of things Fiz promised to people came to an end or disn't happen, but he is playing Mudiay because he promised to get him right?

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[Capn'O]

Frank was picked within where most experts had him, quite a few had us drafting Monk as well.

Of course in hindsight, yeah he was definitely the wrong pick especially when the team actually worked out a player drafted a few spots later that looks like a star in the making in D. Mitchell.

It happens, not upset by that. I'm at the point where Frank himself has to determine how good he'll be or if he'll be a good player at all.

Frank has solid defense, but that pegs him at best a role player. Knicks need more bang for their buck than that.

Time flies, Knicks will soon have to decide if the are gonna invest in Frank. Current Frank would get the bushes. He has to make real steps forward.

He just hasn't developed well. I don't see his physical profile and tools as being that much different from, say, SGA. But one guy has figured out how to leverage his body type to find room, when to attack, and when to shoot and the other guy hasn't. And you know what? I watch a lot of Clippers. Doc delegated him to corner duty, deferring to veteran guards, earlier in the season and has gradually moved him on the ball. He earned that trust with his play and development and Beverley >>>>>>>> Jarrett Jack and Trey Burke. So it ain't just on the coaching.

Frank still has time to figure some of that stuff out. I'm getting the sense it's just not gonna happen here.

[ChaosHamster]

Frank gonna cost too much money to just keep him around playing 5-10 minutes a game, if team gets competitive next season.

If its another rebuilding year, you keep him around.

[Cookies4Life]

His trade value is at an all time low, they need to keep this kid and give him some consistent burn next season. He needs to work on a myriad of things this summer but I'd like to see him back here. If we're going after 2 superstars and are able to attain them, Frank would make for a good fit with his low usage offensively and good defensive ability. He doesn't need the ball in his hands or even score to have a positive impact on the court.

The guy was a project coming into this league and he was projected at the very worst to be the #9 pick. Cuban even hired his former coach to coach the SL for the Mavs as he was under the pretense that Frank was going to fall to #9. So it's not like we selected him out of nowhere; he is who he is- a project lead guard with very good potential IMO. It would be nice if he made larger improvements this season, but him being injured as well as playing odd positions on the floor haven't been conducive to him succeeding. Hopefully they figure out how to utilize him more appropriately in the future.

[1999]

His trade value is at an all time low, they need to keep this kid and give him some consistent burn next season. He needs to work on a myriad of things this summer but I'd like to see him back here. If we're going after 2 superstars and are able to attain them, Frank would make for a good fit with his low usage offensively and good defensive ability. He doesn't need the ball in his hands or even score to have a positive impact on the court.

The guy was a project coming into this league and he was projected at the very worst to be the #9 pick. Cuban even hired his former coach to coach the SL for the Mavs as he was under the pretense that Frank was going to fall to #9. So it's not like we selected him out of nowhere; he is who he is- a project lead guard with very good potential IMO. It would be nice if he made larger improvements this season, but him being injured as well as playing odd positions on the floor haven't been conducive to him succeeding. Hopefully they figure out how to utilize him more appropriately in the future.

He was playing odd positions on the court because he’s not a pg. Agree to disagree but that’s what the eye test tells me and apparently the coaching staff. You can be a good passer without being a pg. His lack of creativity and ability to break down the defense and be a scoring threat (whether he can shoot or not) is a deal breaker.


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[1999]

His trade value is at an all time low, they need to keep this kid and give him some consistent burn next season. He needs to work on a myriad of things this summer but I'd like to see him back here. If we're going after 2 superstars and are able to attain them, Frank would make for a good fit with his low usage offensively and good defensive ability. He doesn't need the ball in his hands or even score to have a positive impact on the court.

The guy was a project coming into this league and he was projected at the very worst to be the #9 pick. Cuban even hired his former coach to coach the SL for the Mavs as he was under the pretense that Frank was going to fall to #9. So it's not like we selected him out of nowhere; he is who he is- a project lead guard with very good potential IMO. It would be nice if he made larger improvements this season, but him being injured as well as playing odd positions on the floor haven't been conducive to him succeeding. Hopefully they figure out how to utilize him more appropriately in the future.

He was playing odd positions on the court because he’s not a pg. Agree to disagree but that’s what the eye test tells me and apparently the coaching staff. You can be a good passer without being a pg. His lack of creativity and ability to break down the defense and be a scoring threat (whether he can shoot or not) is a deal breaker.


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Frank has to take responsibility for what the coaching staff sees him as ultimately. He has no “game” so to speak so that leaves Fiz and the coaching staff to make a role for him. Nobody made Magic play PF in the 80s even though he was a unicorn at the time. Franks game has to dictate the position he plays.


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[NYKAL]

Guys, he couldn't beat out the likes of Burke or Mudiay for the starting role. If you can't beat out these two guys who had a one foot out of the league, I have to question either you ability or motor.

Something is lacking on the offensive side but, his defense and team first attitude are enough for me to appreciate what he can do.

Not beating guys out for the starting role has less to do with ability and more to do with who the FO likes more

By pretty much all metrics, there's not much difference in our play if Frank's starting, but that's the thing

Fiz chose Mudiay because he made a promise to get him right, despite the fact that Mudiay is likely gone after this year because of the cap situation

We went 4-10 with Frank starting this year, 3-6 with him starting at PG (the one stretch of the year we actually played defense). Then Fiz changed the lineup and said "it wasn't winning anyways" and we've gone 10-50 since.

I'm not saying we win more games with Frank than those other guys, but it's not like we could be much worse.

The FO doesn't see Frank as a PG, which I've accepted. I still think it's a terrible idea to give up on a guy that shows that much defensive potential and is a jumpshot away from being a very good role player

You think Fiz plays Mudiay because of a pinky swear? Didn't he also tell Knox he would throw him to the wolves on defence. That didn't happen. Lot of things Fiz promised to people came to an end or disn't happen, but he is playing Mudiay because he promised to get him right?

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He's playing Mudiay and DSJ because he doesn't have ANYONE better to run the point.

[NYKAL]

STFU & GTFO - 50% of your posts aren't talking basketball. You love the sound of your own typing.

Why my reaching out to a new poster to say the tradition here wasn't that serious (I went through it along with many) would ruffle your feathers and motivate you to attack me is odd since, to my knowledge, we've never had an issue? Am I missing something?

Just in case this was directed at me - I was speaking to the pledge. We've never had any beef.

I figured it out way late but, yeah Glad I didn't say anything offensive in response. I can be an ass at times

[NYKAL]

Not beating guys out for the starting role has less to do with ability and more to do with who the FO likes more

By pretty much all metrics, there's not much difference in our play if Frank's starting, but that's the thing

Fiz chose Mudiay because he made a promise to get him right, despite the fact that Mudiay is likely gone after this year because of the cap situation

We went 4-10 with Frank starting this year, 3-6 with him starting at PG (the one stretch of the year we actually played defense). Then Fiz changed the lineup and said "it wasn't winning anyways" and we've gone 10-50 since.

I'm not saying we win more games with Frank than those other guys, but it's not like we could be much worse.

The FO doesn't see Frank as a PG, which I've accepted. I still think it's a terrible idea to give up on a guy that shows that much defensive potential and is a jumpshot away from being a very good role player

my post had nothing to do with the front office and everything to do with what I saw with my own eyes. Not a single poster here can honestly say he outplayed ANY of the people I mentioned. Burke and Booty both played better than he has witch isn't saying much at all.

That's cause you're just looking at individual offensive play

When Frank's on the court vs them, it's about even. By pretty much every metric

It doesn't matter if individually, Mudiay or Burke is better than Frank at scoring

I wouldn't say he outplayed them, but it's pretty apparent that despite that, we didn't play well with them either, so go with the kid that plays defense (hey remember when we were building a "defensive culture?" what happened to that?), is the youngest, and is actually under contract next year

I realize I wasn't as clear about it as I should have.....I PREFER Frank over any of our guards other than Dot. I think DSJ and Booty are better facilitators, at least Booty was up till the mid point of the season. Now all he wants to do is score and secure his next contract. Frank is a Plus on the floor whether he's facilitating or not. If DSJ or Booty can't score, they have absolutely nothing else to offer.

People think I don't like or want Frank because I'm critical of him. IMO he should have been starting as the 2 guard all season long. That way he's not forced out of his comfort zone and it give us a 2nd ball handler who can make the right pass. That way he'd be present to put the clamps on guys from the 1 thru 3

[NYKAL]

His trade value is at an all time low, they need to keep this kid and give him some consistent burn next season. He needs to work on a myriad of things this summer but I'd like to see him back here. If we're going after 2 superstars and are able to attain them, Frank would make for a good fit with his low usage offensively and good defensive ability. He doesn't need the ball in his hands or even score to have a positive impact on the court.

The guy was a project coming into this league and he was projected at the very worst to be the #9 pick. Cuban even hired his former coach to coach the SL for the Mavs as he was under the pretense that Frank was going to fall to #9. So it's not like we selected him out of nowhere; he is who he is- a project lead guard with very good potential IMO. It would be nice if he made larger improvements this season, but him being injured as well as playing odd positions on the floor haven't been conducive to him succeeding. Hopefully they figure out how to utilize him more appropriately in the future.

He was playing odd positions on the court because he’s not a pg. Agree to disagree but that’s what the eye test tells me and apparently the coaching staff. You can be a good passer without being a pg. His lack of creativity and ability to break down the defense and be a scoring threat (whether he can shoot or not) is a deal breaker.


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that's been my take since last season. I see a guy who "can" make the right pass but, not a guy who will set up or make the game easier for others. Now for the Carrot: He's team 1st, and a good to very good defender. Not ELITE as some like to claim but, pretty good. He's more valuable going forward than DSJ, or Booty.

Say we get a Kyrie....his usage is high and he'll take the bulk of shots from the guard spot but, with Frank running beside him, his lack of defense won't be so obvious. Then I'd want Kadeem backing him. Not sold on DSJ as the primary backup yet. He gave me hope in his first few games but, now I'm seeing another me 1st guard.

[DOT]

my post had nothing to do with the front office and everything to do with what I saw with my own eyes. Not a single poster here can honestly say he outplayed ANY of the people I mentioned. Burke and Booty both played better than he has witch isn't saying much at all.

That's cause you're just looking at individual offensive play

When Frank's on the court vs them, it's about even. By pretty much every metric

It doesn't matter if individually, Mudiay or Burke is better than Frank at scoring

I wouldn't say he outplayed them, but it's pretty apparent that despite that, we didn't play well with them either, so go with the kid that plays defense (hey remember when we were building a "defensive culture?" what happened to that?), is the youngest, and is actually under contract next year

I realize I wasn't as clear about it as I should have.....I PREFER Frank over any of our guards other than Dot. I think DSJ and Booty are better facilitators, at least Booty was up till the mid point of the season. Now all he wants to do is score and secure his next contract. Frank is a Plus on the floor whether he's facilitating or not. If DSJ or Booty can't score, they have absolutely nothing else to offer.

People think I don't like or want Frank because I'm critical of him. IMO he should have been starting as the 2 guard all season long. That way he's not forced out of his comfort zone and it give us a 2nd ball handler who can make the right pass. That way he'd be present to put the clamps on guys from the 1 thru 3

Probably

What we should be doing is letting guys play through mistakes cause we're gonna lose a lot either way

No reason Mitch, Frank, and Knox shouldn'tve been starting since day one. Then throw DSJ in too once we got him

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[HarthorneWingo]

Always thought Ntilikina/Trier could be interesting with Mitch and Knox on the floor. Thought the same thing about Ntilikina/DSJr.

Maybe the Pelicans will have success with these lineups.

[NYKAL]

Always thought Ntilikina/Trier could be interesting with Mitch and Knox on the floor. Thought the same thing about Ntilikina/DSJr.

Maybe the Pelicans will have success with these lineups.

Knox had one of his best games when he played a bit of point forward...sort of. Would like to see him work with the ball in his hands to set up his own shot. To often he's catch and shoot.

As for Frank, I just want him on the floor.

[2010]

Ntilikina returned from a 24-game absence Friday but reinjured his groin Sunday and is out indefinitely. There are eight games left, and Ntilikina could be traded on draft night to open cap space to potentially re-sign Emmanuel Mudiay, a Fizdale favorite.

Fizdale admitted Ntilikina’s struggles this season, both on the court and trying to get on the court, but still branded him “a winning player,” if not a true point guard.

Ntilikina is last in the NBA in effective field goal percentage, a stat that factors in 3-point field goals. He’s shooting 28.7 percent from 3-point range, which Fizdale knows must improve for the 6-6 Frenchman to be a stalwart as an off-the-ball wing because he’s proven an effective defender against bigger guards.

“It’s been a tough year, man,” Fizdale said. “Obviously just alone with injuries, that part has been a roller-coaster for him. He’s had his ups and downs obviously with his performance. But I asked him to do a lot of different things this year, and he took them on all well. With Frank, it’s going to be a measure of when we fill in these gaps, Frank is a winning player. He knows how to play the game. The biggest thing is to get his health right to set him up to have a great summer.”

[prophet_of_rage]

Ntilikina returned from a 24-game absence Friday but reinjured his groin Sunday and is out indefinitely. There are eight games left, and Ntilikina could be traded on draft night to open cap space to potentially re-sign Emmanuel Mudiay, a Fizdale favorite.

Fizdale admitted Ntilikina’s struggles this season, both on the court and trying to get on the court, but still branded him “a winning player,” if not a true point guard.

Ntilikina is last in the NBA in effective field goal percentage, a stat that factors in 3-point field goals. He’s shooting 28.7 percent from 3-point range, which Fizdale knows must improve for the 6-6 Frenchman to be a stalwart as an off-the-ball wing because he’s proven an effective defender against bigger guards.

“It’s been a tough year, man,” Fizdale said. “Obviously just alone with injuries, that part has been a roller-coaster for him. He’s had his ups and downs obviously with his performance. But I asked him to do a lot of different things this year, and he took them on all well. With Frank, it’s going to be a measure of when we fill in these gaps, Frank is a winning player. He knows how to play the game. The biggest thing is to get his health right to set him up to have a great summer.”

But Flat Soda sicks and sells Snake oil, though. So we can't believe this.

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[2010]

As for Frank, I just want him on the floor.

Yeah but the issue is Frank doesn't seem to want Frank on the floor.

[thebuzzardman]

Always thought Ntilikina/Trier could be interesting with Mitch and Knox on the floor. Thought the same thing about Ntilikina/DSJr.

Maybe the Pelicans will have success with these lineups.

Knox had one of his best games when he played a bit of point forward...sort of. Would like to see him work with the ball in his hands to set up his own shot. To often he's catch and shoot.

As for Frank, I just want him on the floor.

With league pass or a zip code near New Orleans, all this can be yours.

[HarthorneWingo]

As for Frank, I just want him on the floor.

Yeah but the issue is Frank doesn't seem to want Frank on the floor.

It's a coach's job to instill confidence in a young player, not destroy it. But how can you do that when the soda be flat?

[2010]

As for Frank, I just want him on the floor.

Yeah but the issue is Frank doesn't seem to want Frank on the floor.

It's a coach's job to instill confidence in a young player, not destroy it. But how can you do that when the soda be flat?

Isn’t it a player’s job to gain a coach’s confidence in him through his play?

[vallen]

lol Frank