Devin Booker - The Kaiser of Empty Stats

[Sulico]

Bro its not even that...This is an old thread that he bumped to fuel the hatred. Check the date.

Ah, didn’t see that. Same concept...still weird.

No that's what im saying its even weirder... The hate for book is unreal... Like a poster said in another thread, "wtf did book do to you to make you hate him so much?!"

Or something along those lines.

But nobody is hating on Booker. People say that he is average player in this league, like top 200 player, who got overpaid by bad front office. And that opinion is very well confirmed by his advanced stats.
It's people like you who thinks that this opinion is hate when we voice it to disprove uneducated fans that say he's next Kobe or something like that.
Oh, and opinion that he will not get much better is not hate either, it's just analysis of his progression during 4 years he's been in the league.

[darmani]

Ah, didn’t see that. Same concept...still weird.

No that's what im saying its even weirder... The hate for book is unreal... Like a poster said in another thread, "wtf did book do to you to make you hate him so much?!"

Or something along those lines.

But nobody is hating on Booker. People say that he is average player in this league, like top 200 player, who got overpaid by bad front office. And that opinion is very well confirmed by his advanced stats.
It's people like you who thinks that this opinion is hate when we voice it to disprove uneducated fans that say he's next Kobe or something like that.
Oh, and opinion that he will not get much better is not hate either, it's just analysis of his progression during 4 years he's been in the league.

Epic post.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

[Arteezy]

Booker= Empty stats
Doncic in a 30 win team, padding rebounds like DeAndre Jordan and shooting 40%-30%= Future superstar

Fun thing

Listen that Mavs team right now is not that good. Booker couldn't win 29 games with Drew Bledsoe on his team. Dallas starting 5 is Brunson/Jackson/Powell/Dirk and Luka. And btw keep in mind shooting % are usually low for most players entering the league regardless of how good they become. From what I've seen it takes 2-3 years to better it. The example I can present to you right now is Durant, who shot really low % on lottery Supersonics... It is what it is tho.

****, not even Tom Brady could won 29 games in a season, let alone Drew Bledsoe.

[contestedlayups]

I don't get the Kevin Martin comparisons. Booker and Martin have the same career FG% yet Booker averages 5 more attempts per game. Not to mention, Booker blows Martin out of the water in assist numbers, showing his feel for the game and his playmaking abilities. I guess its because they're scoring guards on teams in the Western Conference but Martin somehow never made an all-star team and it's the same story thus far for Booker? Booker is much further along than Martin ever was.

[NBAFan93]

Someone is going to steal him in the next 18-36 months.

Yeah - I bet he demands a trade soon and it was probably his plan all along to do so when he signed that contract. Just wanted to lock the money in. He’ll say some stuff about “wanting to win” and people will go nuts wanting their teams to trade for him like he’s some superstar franchise savior - he’ll become massively overrated and people will be calling him a top 10 player lol.

Meanwhile this guy has never had to play a meaningful NBA game past Thanksgiving in his entire career...smh.

[MemphisX]

He is the new Kevin Love...

[Fo-Real]

No that's what im saying its even weirder... The hate for book is unreal... Like a poster said in another thread, "wtf did book do to you to make you hate him so much?!"

Or something along those lines.

But nobody is hating on Booker. People say that he is average player in this league, like top 200 player, who got overpaid by bad front office. And that opinion is very well confirmed by his advanced stats.
It's people like you who thinks that this opinion is hate when we voice it to disprove uneducated fans that say he's next Kobe or something like that.
Oh, and opinion that he will not get much better is not hate either, it's just analysis of his progression during 4 years he's been in the league.

Epic post.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Too late for many fine sir, they keep removing it. Or did I just..... DAMNIT!! Ill be quiet starting n.........

[RiseOfTheEmpire]

Devin Booker is in his 4th season in the NBA and he signed a $158 million maximum contract extension last summer. He is still good young player but he is clearly not a franchise player material or a superstar. since he came into the league his stats never translated in wins, his team never won more than 24 games with him and that's unacceptable for a guy that talks like his the Man of the team or a star... he is the 3rd in the entire league in turnovers per game and plays one of worst defense in the league... This guy is the Kaiser of Empty Stats.

If this kid isn't the epitome of this 2K stat chasing look at the box score I did what I could I don't got teammates era then I don't know what is.

Usually, the good young players follow in the footsteps of the GOAT of their generation, it's why every guard, from little Stephon to forward sized Tracy McGrady were gunners, scorers, gimme the last **** shot guys from the last era. (MJ)

You can come to my conclusion yourself.

[kg01]

Someone is going to steal him in the next 18-36 months.

Yeah - I bet he demands a trade soon and it was probably his plan all along to do so when he signed that contract. Just wanted to lock the money in. He’ll say some stuff about “wanting to win” and people will go nuts wanting their teams to trade for him like he’s some superstar franchise savior - he’ll become massively overrated and people will be calling him a top 10 player lol.

Meanwhile this guy has never had to play a meaningful NBA game past Thanksgiving in his entire career...smh.

I think he has the raw talent/tools to be a tremendous winning player. It'll just take probably the rest of his contract to de-program all the losing habits he's learned so it may not be worth acquiring him once he does demand a trade.

And, yes, I think that (trade demand) is coming. Anybody in Arizona seen any 'R Paul' license plates driving around in the desert?

[caltab]

Someone is going to steal him in the next 18-36 months.

Yeah - I bet he demands a trade soon and it was probably his plan all along to do so when he signed that contract. Just wanted to lock the money in. He’ll say some stuff about “wanting to win” and people will go nuts wanting their teams to trade for him like he’s some superstar franchise savior - he’ll become massively overrated and people will be calling him a top 10 player lol.

Meanwhile this guy has never had to play a meaningful NBA game past Thanksgiving in his entire career...smh.

I think he has the raw talent/tools to be a tremendous winning player. It'll just take probably the rest of his contract to de-program all the losing habits he's learned so it may not be worth acquiring him once he does demand a trade.

And, yes, I think that (trade demand) is coming. Anybody in Arizona seen any 'R Paul' license plates driving around in the desert?

Booker has 5 full years left on his contract - he would probably be the first player ever to make a trade demand with that kind of time left and would have absolutely zero leverage. Besides, I see nothing in his demeanor and statements that would lead me to remotely think he’s unhappy. He seems to like being a big fish in the Phoenix market. The suns may also be on the verge of a turnaround if they land Morant/ Zion or pick up a PG in FA/trade. The roster has rarely been at full strength and was showing signs before Oubre got hurt. I am not sure if Oubre and TJ have played more than a game or two together. Booker has made statements in the past that he wants to bring a super team to Phoenix, not leave to join one.

[RiseOfTheEmpire]

Trash supporting cast, too many coaching changes, no point guards... Surround him with solid players/veterans and he’ll win more games.

Sounds familiar.....

I remember when we were looking for the next Jordan...maybe Vince, maybe Kobe, maybe Steve **** Francis? Well, he sure chucked like it....this was the same thing that was said for these guys because they would come up short compared to the best of that era.

The one thing Lebrons stats did translate to was wins, padded or otherwise, he was that special. These jokers, like Westbrook for example, are going to follow in the footsteps of the TMacs.....amazing stats and accolades, but no championships.

Unless they team up, of course.

Circle of life.

[The_Hater]

Ah, didn’t see that. Same concept...still weird.

No that's what im saying its even weirder... The hate for book is unreal... Like a poster said in another thread, "wtf did book do to you to make you hate him so much?!"

Or something along those lines.

But nobody is hating on Booker. People say that he is average player in this league, like top 200 player, who got overpaid by bad front office. And that opinion is very well confirmed by his advanced stats.
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I think Booker is overrated too but anyone who thinks he is only (around) the 200th best player in the league is clearly hating on the guy.

He's not as good as his counting stats and he hasn't shown the ability to raise his team like a true star would but he's still a very good, very skilled NBA player who would probably be thought of quite differently if he had a lesser role on a much better team.

[Archx]

I think people are giving up on Booker way too soon. I would at least wait until Ayton gains more NBA experience and PHX FO actually puts together a competent roster. At the moment, PHX are not playing for much but they are trying hard to win games and Booker is doing most what he can with the team that surrounds him. He has proven that he can score, he has proven that he can set up his team mates, but there is still huge challenge ahead of him. What can he do with a proper team around him? So saying Booker is an empty stat guy or that he is overrated or whatever, is a bit premature in my opinion. And don't forget, PHX for most of the season were starting with 3 rookies.

[NBAFan93]

Yeah - I bet he demands a trade soon and it was probably his plan all along to do so when he signed that contract. Just wanted to lock the money in. He’ll say some stuff about “wanting to win” and people will go nuts wanting their teams to trade for him like he’s some superstar franchise savior - he’ll become massively overrated and people will be calling him a top 10 player lol.

Meanwhile this guy has never had to play a meaningful NBA game past Thanksgiving in his entire career...smh.

I think he has the raw talent/tools to be a tremendous winning player. It'll just take probably the rest of his contract to de-program all the losing habits he's learned so it may not be worth acquiring him once he does demand a trade.

And, yes, I think that (trade demand) is coming. Anybody in Arizona seen any 'R Paul' license plates driving around in the desert?

Booker has 5 full years left on his contract - he would probably be the first player ever to make a trade demand with that kind of time left and would have absolutely zero leverage. Besides, I see nothing in his demeanor and statements that would lead me to remotely think he’s unhappy. He seems to like being a big fish in the Phoenix market. The suns may also be on the verge of a turnaround if they land Morant/ Zion or pick up a PG in FA/trade. The roster has rarely been at full strength and was showing signs before Oubre got hurt. I am not sure if Oubre and TJ have played more than a game or two together. Booker has made statements in the past that he wants to bring a super team to Phoenix, not leave to join one.

Well if he does indeed stay there long term and works towards making them better I would find that very respectable. Hopefully he proves my cynical assumptions wrong.

[caltab]

Well if he does indeed stay there long term and works towards making them better I would find that very respectable. Hopefully he proves my cynical assumptions wrong.

I think suns are very likely to be this years Sacramento/ New Jersey next year. They just have too much young talent with another high draft pick incoming. An actual point guard and power forward will make a big difference. They may be able to get one in the draft and have enough cap space to get the other in free agency. FA PG like Rubio, Booker, Oubre, Zion, Ayton or Ja, Booker, Oubre, FA PF, Ayton would finally have Phoenix back to respectability.

[kg01]

I think suns are very likely to be this years Sacramento/ New Jersey next year. They just have too much young talent with another high draft pick incoming. An actual point guard and power forward will make a big difference. They may be able to get one in the draft and have enough cap space to get the other in free agency. FA PG like Rubio, Booker, Oubre, Zion, Ayton or Ja, Booker, Oubre, FA PF, Ayton would finally have Phoenix back to respectability.

It could happen. I'm dubious on that especially hearing whispers that Igor may be a 1-and-done coach (which I think would be totally unfair even if he has shown growing pains as a coach).

[Sulico]

No that's what im saying its even weirder... The hate for book is unreal... Like a poster said in another thread, "wtf did book do to you to make you hate him so much?!"

Or something along those lines.

But nobody is hating on Booker. People say that he is average player in this league, like top 200 player, who got overpaid by bad front office. And that opinion is very well confirmed by his advanced stats.
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I think Booker is overrated too but anyone who thinks he is only (around) the 200th best player in the league is clearly hating on the guy.

He's not as good as his counting stats and he hasn't shown the ability to raise his team like a true star would but he's still a very good, very skilled NBA player who would probably be thought of quite differently if he had a lesser role on a much better team.

This year I would agree, as I place him around top150, as his RPM suggest.
Last year and year before that he was around top 250 so I just rounded off.

[caltab]

I think suns are very likely to be this years Sacramento/ New Jersey next year. They just have too much young talent with another high draft pick incoming. An actual point guard and power forward will make a big difference. They may be able to get one in the draft and have enough cap space to get the other in free agency. FA PG like Rubio, Booker, Oubre, Zion, Ayton or Ja, Booker, Oubre, FA PF, Ayton would finally have Phoenix back to respectability.

It could happen. I'm dubious on that especially hearing whispers that Igor may be a 1-and-done coach (which I think would be totally unfair even if he has shown growing pains as a coach).

They only have like a 25 percent shot at Zion or Ja, but if they get one of those two I think it will finally happen. Either would be a huge opportunity for the franchise. They could use it to help bring in a real GM like Griffin who may see it as an opportunity to look like a genius turning around the franchise without needing to actually do as much as their record suggests. Phoenix used to be a destination market as well, they could probably convince an actual respectable 2nd tier FA to come here with a core of Booker, Ayton, Oubre and Zion/Morant.

[The_Hater]

But nobody is hating on Booker. People say that he is average player in this league, like top 200 player, who got overpaid by bad front office. And that opinion is very well confirmed by his advanced stats.
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I think Booker is overrated too but anyone who thinks he is only (around) the 200th best player in the league is clearly hating on the guy.

He's not as good as his counting stats and he hasn't shown the ability to raise his team like a true star would but he's still a very good, very skilled NBA player who would probably be thought of quite differently if he had a lesser role on a much better team.

This year I would agree, as I place him around top150, as his RPM suggest.
Last year and year before that he was around top 250 so I just rounded off.

You're still grossly underrating him. He's at worst a top 75 player and probably top 50.

His advanced offensive stats are all either good or very good despite your previous claim. OBPM, TS%, WS, VORP and assist rate all look strong. Defensively he's a disaster but he's playing on a team which is a defensive disaster as well which doesn't help his individual stats.

But finding players who can post 26/6 with a 58 TS% all while being the complete focus of the opposing defense isn't easy. In large part he's been forced into such a big offensive role because the Suns have been such a complete disaster the past 3 seasons. They haven't had anything resembling a starting PG all season and the teams 2nd best offensive players has been sidelined since January. The last 2 games he was out on the floor with a starting lineup composed of 3 rookies and Dragan Bender who is likely playing his last NBA season. Last night he scored 50 points on 29 shots and was +8 but you're still railing on him here.

He's overrated by many fans on this forum no doubt but he's being grossly underrated by you right now.

[kg01]

I think suns are very likely to be this years Sacramento/ New Jersey next year. They just have too much young talent with another high draft pick incoming. An actual point guard and power forward will make a big difference. They may be able to get one in the draft and have enough cap space to get the other in free agency. FA PG like Rubio, Booker, Oubre, Zion, Ayton or Ja, Booker, Oubre, FA PF, Ayton would finally have Phoenix back to respectability.

It could happen. I'm dubious on that especially hearing whispers that Igor may be a 1-and-done coach (which I think would be totally unfair even if he has shown growing pains as a coach).

They only have like a 25 percent shot at Zion or Ja, but if they get one of those two I think it will finally happen. Either would be a huge opportunity for the franchise. They could use it to help bring in a real GM like Griffin who may see it as an opportunity to look like a genius turning around the franchise without needing to actually do as much as their record suggests. Phoenix used to be a destination market as well, they could probably convince an actual respectable 2nd tier FA to come here with a core of Booker, Ayton, Oubre and Zion/Morant.

Listening to him on the radio, it seems clear he hates Sarver. He basically doesn't hide it which is kinda jarring because he even finds a way to speak positively about CLE's owner. I'd be surprised to see him back there.

There's certainly raw talent there that a competent GM could do some thangs with.