Trae Young

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nybluemeadow · Post #1324 » by **nybluemeadow** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:16 am

After a two month shooting slump from Doncic, Trae Young officially becomes a better shooter than Doncic.

Year Average...

Luka: 41%FG, 32% 3FG
Trae: 42%FG, 33% 3FG

Post #1325 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:19 am

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big-shot-ROB · Post #1326 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:34 am

Lol big-O

Chi town · Post #1327 » by **Chi town** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:03 pm

Trae Young has become a star. Top 10 offensive player since the ASG. He is the worst defender in the league... and it doesn’t matter. Offense wins now with all the rule changes. Playoff basketball is different and we will see what it looks like this season with refs calling everything to get scoring up.

Question... Who projects more like Trae? Morant or Garland?

Morant has the passes and full court vision much like Trae. I think Morant actually has better vision but he’s just not as good as a passer yet.

Garland has the 3 ball with Trae range. This 3 comes a variety of ways too... pull ups, PnR, off ball, off screens, step backs etc. Trae started the year chucking 3s and shooting mid 20%. Hawks hit reset and made him work his game from the inside out as a result Trae shot way less 3s until he gained confidence. Now he’s bombing away again but making 40% of his 3s.

Can either Morant or Garland become as good as Trae is since the ASG?

Stillwater · Post #1328 » by **Stillwater** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:33 pm

Chi town wrote:Trae Young has become a star. Top 10 offensive player since the ASG. He is the worst defender in the league...

I agree with the last part...

He aint no damn star.30 points and 10 assists mean nothing if he gives up more baskets than he creates.

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jonjames · Post #1331 » by **jonjames** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:20 pm

Had trae young as top 2 player coming out of this draft..was shocked ppl rated him so low.

doordoor123 · Post #1332 » by **doordoor123** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:25 pm

Chi town wrote:Trae Young has become a star. Top 10 offensive player since the ASG. He is the worst defender in the league... and it doesn’t matter. Offense wins now with all the rule changes. Playoff basketball is different and we will see what it looks like this season with refs calling everything to get scoring up.

Question... Who projects more like Trae? Morant or Garland?

Morant has the passes and full court vision much like Trae. I think Morant actually has better vision but he’s just not as good as a passer yet.

Garland has the 3 ball with Trae range. This 3 comes a variety of ways too... pull ups, PnR, off ball, off screens, step backs etc. Trae started the year chucking 3s and shooting mid 20%. Hawks hit reset and made him work his game from the inside out as a result Trae shot way less 3s until he gained confidence. Now he’s bombing away again but making 40% of his 3s.

Can either Morant or Garland become as good as Trae is since the ASG?

I disagree with the bold part of your comment. The NBA isn’t only about offense, the best teams in the league are great defensive teams. But when a player is unstoppable scoring, it makes them more valuable to have on the floor. It was the same thing back in the day with guys like Allen Iverson. But you can hide a player like Young by putting defenders around him, like what happened with Isaiah Thomas when he was on the Celtics. Plus, as I said in another post, he’s still only in his rookie year. Guys like Damian Lillard and D’Angelo Russell who were once terrible defenders got better. Young hasn’t even gone through a full year of strength training yet and hasn’t had an offseason to work on his body mass. So lets hit the breaks on that kind of talk with young. With the verticality and rebounding prowess he has for a guard, he has the ability to be a better pick and roll defender. It’s just going to take time for a rookie.

clyde21 · Post #1333 » by **clyde21** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:10 pm

people need to chill on Young, he's posting some crazy offensive numbers right now but it's not impacting winning at all...granted he's a rookie obviously but let's chill on 'defense doesn't matter' stuff.

despite his box score metrics, he has a -1.5 BPM, a sub-par .058 WS/48, has a -10 Net Rating and a -2.6 On/Off. he's actually 8th on his own team in On/Off out of anyone that's played meaningful minutes.

and really, box score numbers this season have been completely out of whack. rule changes obviously, but teams haven't really adjusted to them yet and it feels like half the league is either tanking or just packing it in for the POs at this point. these numbers don't really mean as much people think they do.

CptCrunch · Post #1334 » by **CptCrunch** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:37 pm

clyde21 wrote:people need to chill on Young, he's posting some crazy offensive numbers right now but it's not impacting winning at all...granted he's a rookie obviously but let's chill on 'defense doesn't matter' stuff.

despite his box score metrics, he has a -1.5 BPM, a sub-par .058 WS/48, has a -10 Net Rating and a -2.6 On/Off. he's actually 8th on his own team in On/Off out of anyone that's played meaningful minutes.

and really, box score numbers this season have been completely out of whack. rule changes obviously, but teams haven't really adjusted to them yet and it feels like half the league is either tanking or just packing it in for the POs at this point. these numbers don't really mean as much people think they do.

Smells a bit like Booker tbh. Very good young player but not loved by advanced stats.

clyde21 · Post #1335 » by **clyde21** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:45 pm

paulbball wrote:
clyde21 wrote:people need to chill on Young, he's posting some crazy offensive numbers right now but it's not impacting winning at all...granted he's a rookie obviously but let's chill on 'defense doesn't matter' stuff.

despite his box score metrics, he has a -1.5 BPM, a sub-par .058 WS/48, has a -10 Net Rating and a -2.6 On/Off. he's actually 8th on his own team in On/Off out of anyone that's played meaningful minutes.

and really, box score numbers this season have been completely out of whack. rule changes obviously, but teams haven't really adjusted to them yet and it feels like half the league is either tanking or just packing it in for the POs at this point. these numbers don't really mean as much people think they do.

Smells a bit like Booker tbh. Very good young player but not loved by advanced stats.

i mean I don't want to take anything away fro him, he's been really good for a rook and certainly much better than I thought he would be, but people that are saying he's having better rookie seasons than Steph or CP3 and using raw stats from today's league to prove it are doing it wrong.

Post #1336 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:00 pm

clyde21 wrote:people need to chill on Young, he's posting some crazy offensive numbers right now but it's not impacting winning at all...

It kinda is, though.

Hawks fans are literally hoping to lose every game as we aim for multiple top-10 picks this summer.

But Trae has led the Hawks to be surprisingly effective, particularly since the All Star break.

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Our little rag tag team has one of the best offenses in the league and is flirting with a .500 record over the past 6 weeks (post-All Star break).

Ball4life32 · Post #1337 » by **Ball4life32** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:10 pm

clyde21 wrote:people need to chill on Young, he's posting some crazy offensive numbers right now but it's not impacting winning at all...granted he's a rookie obviously but let's chill on 'defense doesn't matter' stuff.

despite his box score metrics, he has a -1.5 BPM, a sub-par .058 WS/48, has a -10 Net Rating and a -2.6 On/Off. he's actually 8th on his own team in On/Off out of anyone that's played meaningful minutes.

and really, box score numbers this season have been completely out of whack. rule changes obviously, but teams haven't really adjusted to them yet and it feels like half the league is either tanking or just packing it in for the POs at this point. these numbers don't really mean as much people think they do.

This isn’t all correct. It’s pretty well known that Trae was historically bad in the first 30 games or so. If you post the season numbers of course that bad start will have a big effect on the season numbers. Pretty sure at one point in December, Trae had a -6+ BPM. Now it’s at -1.5 BPM like you said.

Hawks started the season 3-16 (no Collins / Trae bad start / Huerter not getting mins yet). They were getting blown out almost every night. Compare to where they are now and it’s night and day.

Hawks are 8-9 since the all star break depsite semi tanking and are #1 in the NBA in points averaging 120+ points a game. Also as of a couple weeks ago they were #2 in the NBA in 3 pointers in 2019 behind the Rockets(not sure if that’s still correct)

I can assure you this all because of Trae and the Hawks aren’t capable of doing that without him....And he’s doing this all in only 30-32 MPG because of the tank.

clyde21 · Post #1338 » by **clyde21** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:16 pm

Atlhawks09 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:people need to chill on Young, he's posting some crazy offensive numbers right now but it's not impacting winning at all...granted he's a rookie obviously but let's chill on 'defense doesn't matter' stuff.

despite his box score metrics, he has a -1.5 BPM, a sub-par .058 WS/48, has a -10 Net Rating and a -2.6 On/Off. he's actually 8th on his own team in On/Off out of anyone that's played meaningful minutes.

and really, box score numbers this season have been completely out of whack. rule changes obviously, but teams haven't really adjusted to them yet and it feels like half the league is either tanking or just packing it in for the POs at this point. these numbers don't really mean as much people think they do.

This isn’t all correct. It’s pretty well known that Trae was historically bad in the first 30 games or so. If you post the season numbers of course that bad start will have a big effect on the season numbers. Pretty sure at one point in December, Trae had a -6+ BPM. Now it’s at -1.5 BPM like you said.

Hawks started the season 3-16 (no Collins / Trae bad start / Huerter not getting mins yet). They were getting blown out almost every night. Compare to where they are now and it’s night and day.

Hawks are 8-9 since the all star break depsite semi tanking and are #1 in the NBA in points averaging 120+ points a game. Also as of a couple weeks ago they were #2 in the NBA in 3 pointers in 2019 behind the Rockets(not sure if that’s still correct)

I can assure you this all because of Trae and the Hawks aren’t capable of doing that without him....And he’s doing this all in only 30-32 MPG because of the tank.

yea, Trae definitely has been better the second half of year vs. the first so those numbers might be skewed a bit, but the point is box score metrics across the board this year have been completely inflated. it's a pointless exercise to compare stats this year to any year before it. heck, I wouldn't even compare stats this season to LAST year, let alone 10 or 15 years ago. it's been that bad.

observer1995 · Post #1339 » by **observer1995** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:45 pm

There are positive signs that Young might not be a stat stuffer, they’re just tough to find since he was so bad to start out it trashed his metrics to the point of no return for 18/19. One is, and I know it’s a very arbitrary date, but since December 12th, instead of the Hawks getting trashed on the floor when he plays, it’s more on the lines of a -1.1 +/- (compared to a -9.8 to start out) and a -2 net rating (-5.8 on the full year) The other is in how the 3-man lineup looks with Young/Huerter/Collins. Two rookies and a second-year player, and for the whole season, it almost breaks even at -0.5. It certainly looks ahead of Booker in his first and second years without really diving into Booker’s stats and just looking at +/-.

NOW, you can argue that teams not giving a fart in the second half (shutting it down in both the tanking and PO case mentally mostly) is helping both cases and you should question the improvement, but with the Hawks starting out with poor lineups that have rarely, if ever been used (I’m not going to argue him, but they were playing lineups similar to what Dallas is rolling out there of late early on), since, I think you simply just need more information. I think it’s a lot fairer to look at how it’s been since Huerter had settled into starting and although he was moved to the starting lineup before, he started to settle in ironically on the same December 12th date.

Post #1340 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 1:10 pm

For the 2nd straight month, Trae avg 23 ppg and 9 apg. That 27 game sample is a full third of the NBA season. Hawks are just a smidge under .500 during that span also.

Is this the level of production we should expect from him moving forward?

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