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Post#21 » by IlliniNRG » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:41 am

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Wow, another Cub fan that disagrees, shocker!


Re: point 3 about the NL Central being the worst division in baseball - It's a crummy division because of the pitching. The hitting is about average for the national league. Also, Zambrano's ERA+ is better this year than Schilling's, and Zambrano is 14 years younger.

Overrated or not, it's a good deal for the Cubs. They just locked up a 26-year-old innings eater with a lifetime 3.37 ERA, and the free agent pitching market this offseason is awful.

Snubbing your nose and saying "we didn't want him anyway" is just sour grapes.
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Post#22 » by Chach » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:12 pm

GYBE wrote:You could be right. I'd prefer the health of Zambrano, and you never know how quickly a pitcher will break down after passing 40 years old.

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That is exactly what I worry about with Zambrano. A ton of innings on that arm at such a young age. Plus that first month and a half this season with the lower arm slot and what not. That worries me long term.

Schilling for 2>Zambrano for 5 or 6

The only thing that surprised me was that Zambrano only got five years, I really thought he was going to get a Zito-esque deal and probably would have on the FA market. But by signing and not having other teams see his shoulder makes me wonder if there is something in there to be worried about. mahalo
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Post#23 » by GYBE » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:26 pm

No doubt he has a ton of innings on his arm...but is there a stronger pitcher in the game than Z? I don't profess to be an expert on pitching injuries, but aren't they more likely with smaller guys? He's like an ox.

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Post#24 » by Chach » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:49 pm

GYBE wrote:No doubt he has a ton of innings on his arm...but is there a stronger pitcher in the game than Z? I don't profess to be an expert on pitching injuries, but aren't they more likely with smaller guys? He's like an ox.

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Strong is nice and all but innings are innings just the same. Because of the bullpen usage in 2002, he went from 110 innings to 215 innings in 2003 at age 22. I don't care how "strong" you are, that is **** irresponsible as a organization can get. Yes he threw 150 innings in 2001 but to have a guy double his workload in a year at such a young age, history tells us, is a recipe for disaster. When you look at the number of inning he has had at such a young age, with high pitch counts because he has so many walks and strikeouts, and the arm slot situation early this year, I would be very worried about Zambrano's future.

I worry a little about CC Sabathia but a lot less than Zambrano. He went from about 70 innings to 140 at age 20-21 and it was 16-27 starts escalation. Other than that one year, Cleveland was very responsible with his innings count and development (although that might have been simply his lack of refinement keeping him out of later innings). Dwight Gooden is the poster boy for watching innings. He went from just under 80 to 190 innings at 17-18 and that really shortened his career considerably, or atleast his peak. He pitched well in the late 80s and early 90s but he could have been one of the all time greats if the Mets were just more responsible with him.

Also, because a lot of the concern about Z's health is the future health of his shoulder, THAT worries me too. I would much rather see him having elbow issues and need TJ surgery because that is a well walked path. You lose him for two years and he can come back stronger than ever. But the fact that the focus is more on his shoulder, the black hole of baseball injuries; well that worries me a lot too. I am so glad the Sox didn't sign him. mahalo
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Post#25 » by studcrackers » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:46 pm

GYBE wrote:No doubt he has a ton of innings on his arm...but is there a stronger pitcher in the game than Z? I don't profess to be an expert on pitching injuries, but aren't they more likely with smaller guys? He's like an ox.

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well bartolo colon went about 9 years and then his arm turned to **** after he won his cy young. lets hope carlos zambrano doesnt go that route but its certainly a possibility.
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Post#26 » by GYBE » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:10 pm

Yeah, his arm died when he was 33. This contract only goes to 31 for Z. In any case, as previously stated, the Cubs want to win now. And I think Z is better than any replacement option in-house or in the FA market.

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Post#27 » by studcrackers » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:29 pm

well colon got hurt after about 9 years in the league and 1800 innings, zambrano is about 3 and a half season from that. im just sayin its something to be worried about.

also if i happen to make a post that pisses u off does that little emoticon at the bottom of your post change to something angry and furious?
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Post#28 » by GYBE » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:33 pm

I doubt it. I'm pretty comfortable in my coolness and not easily agitated.

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Post#29 » by HeelSox » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:39 am

so if I told you I slept with your sister......
"The guy is an idiot," Pedroia said regarding Cabrera. "I dropped my bat. It kind of freaked me out. I was upset they took him out of the game. He is good to hit. He's 9-15. The guy [stinks]."
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Post#30 » by HeelSox » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:39 am

hypothetically of course...
"The guy is an idiot," Pedroia said regarding Cabrera. "I dropped my bat. It kind of freaked me out. I was upset they took him out of the game. He is good to hit. He's 9-15. The guy [stinks]."
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Post#31 » by GYBE » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:45 am

I only have a brother. And if you slept with him, it would just be creepy since he's pretty young.

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Post#32 » by HeelSox » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:49 am

maybe that's how I roll......
"The guy is an idiot," Pedroia said regarding Cabrera. "I dropped my bat. It kind of freaked me out. I was upset they took him out of the game. He is good to hit. He's 9-15. The guy [stinks]."
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Post#33 » by trwi7 » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:08 am

GYBE wrote:I doubt it. I'm pretty comfortable in my coolness and not easily agitated.

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Do you wear sunglasses at night like Corey Hart?
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Post#34 » by SportsWorld » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:13 am

GYBE is nocturnal leave him alone.
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Post#35 » by trwi7 » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:58 am

SportsWorld wrote:GYBE is nocturnal leave him alone.


If he was nocturnal don't you think he'd be on here posting?
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Post#36 » by GYBE » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:20 pm

Yeah, because when I'm up all night on Saturday, I skip the parties and make a date with RealGM!

Seriously, I was getting wasted.

And HeelSox, my brother wants to know a/s/l?

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Post#37 » by Flash3 » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:57 pm

34Celtic wrote:14 mil a year for him is a bargain
How does $90M over 5 years, equal $14M?

It's more ~$18M/season.
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Post#38 » by Pierce 4 3 » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:46 pm

i wish he would've came to the Red Sox
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Post#39 » by 34Celtic » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:08 pm

Flash3 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How does $90M over 5 years, equal $14M?

It's more ~$18M/season.


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Post#40 » by HeelSox » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:08 pm

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And HeelSox, my brother wants to know a/s/l?


46/M(or F, I'm game for roleplay)/Montana.

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