Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[magnumt]

The first one is impossible. We dont have salary to give back NO for Jrue and Davis contracts.

The second one is the dream scenario.

Can't we simply absorb Holiday's contract into one of our max slots?

depending on how much was left exactly, yes. but holiday has value. you would have to pay for him and davis separately. without zion we can't even get davis alone probably.

No, 2010 is right we can just absorb him. Jrue makes about $5 LESS than the Max so we'd actually gain about +5 to the space on the 3rd slot (going from about $10 Million in that spot to about $15 Million).

We'd have to sign KD first and then make the Trade for AD & Jrue.

It's actually a very plausible and BETTER scenario. A Big 4 of AD, Jrue, KD and Zion.

--Mags

[god shammgod]

Can't we simply absorb Holiday's contract into one of our max slots?

depending on how much was left exactly, yes. but holiday has value. you would have to pay for him and davis separately. without zion we can't even get davis alone probably.

No, 2010 is right we can just absorb him. Jrue makes about $5 LESS than the Max so we'd actually gain about +5 to the space on the 3rd slot (going from about $10 Million in that spot to about $15 Million).

We'd have to sign KD first and then make the Trade for AD & Jrue.

It's actually a very plausible and BETTER scenario. A Big 4 of AD, Jrue, KD and Zion.

--Mags

i said depending on how much was left we could. and we don't have the assets without zion to get ad & jrue. we don't have the assets to just get davis.

as much as i like mitch. mitch, knox, dennis smith jr and a pick is not getting you anthony davis. and certainly not davis & jrue.

[K_ick_God]

Wow if that’s true then why would Tatum be enough? You’re leaving out the picks.

Think we have enough.

[magnumt]

depending on how much was left exactly, yes. but holiday has value. you would have to pay for him and davis separately. without zion we can't even get davis alone probably.

No, 2010 is right we can just absorb him. Jrue makes about $5 LESS than the Max so we'd actually gain about +5 to the space on the 3rd slot (going from about $10 Million in that spot to about $15 Million).

We'd have to sign KD first and then make the Trade for AD & Jrue.

It's actually a very plausible and BETTER scenario. A Big 4 of AD, Jrue, KD and Zion.

--Mags

i said depending on how much was left we could. and we don't have the assets without zion to get ad & jrue. we don't have the assets to just get davis.

as much as i like mitch. mitch, knox, dennis smith jr and a pick is not getting you anthony davis. and certainly not davis & jrue.

If that package isn't enough for NOLA, then by all means they can keep him.

--Mags

[Spree2Houston]

Teams never get fair value for superstars in terms of talent being brought back. They're basically looking for a few things
1) Future 1st rd Draft Picks
2) Cap Relief
3) Some young cost-controlled players who aren't due for upcoming contract extensions

Pelicans aren't going to keep Holiday around for a rebuild. They will try to dump as much salary as possible in any AD trade

[Sark]

Frank is the only Knick to end up as a strong passer.

[BKAY]

For the guys who support Frank returning. How would you guys feel if we ended up with this lineup after the dust clears this offseason:

1: Holiday
2: Ntilikina
3: Durant
4: Davis
5: Robinson

vs. this one:

1: Irving
2: Dotson
3: Durant
4: Williamson
5: Robinson

Which puts us in better position for a ring?

How would you even match salaries to absorb both Davis and Holiday? Whenever I see Davis trades, they are already stretching as is to make the salary work

[god shammgod]

Teams never get fair value for superstars in terms of talent being brought back. They're basically looking for a few things
1) Future 1st rd Draft Picks
2) Cap Relief
3) Some young cost-controlled players who aren't due for upcoming contract extensions

Pelicans aren't going to keep Holiday around for a rebuild. They will try to dump as much salary as possible in any AD trade

no but they can trade him separately and get value for him. he's a very good player, he's not tim hardaway jr. he's not a throw in. they'll try to dump salaries of guys on bad deals. that's not him. he was never involved in any scenario with the lakers.

[K_ick_God]

Teams never get fair value for superstars in terms of talent being brought back. They're basically looking for a few things
1) Future 1st rd Draft Picks
2) Cap Relief
3) Some young cost-controlled players who aren't due for upcoming contract extensions

Pelicans aren't going to keep Holiday around for a rebuild. They will try to dump as much salary as possible in any AD trade

no but they can trade him separately and get value for him. he's a very good player, he's not tim hardaway jr. he's not a throw in. they'll try to dump salaries of guys on bad deals. that's not him. he was never involved in any scenario with the lakers.

True but he’s not a great starter now. Hurt again.

I still think all 3 picks and maybe like Dotson Knox DJ would be very possible for just AD.

[K_ick_God]

Don’t agree at all about Mitch. He’s off the table. He’s not even in the same room as the table.

[god shammgod]

Teams never get fair value for superstars in terms of talent being brought back. They're basically looking for a few things
1) Future 1st rd Draft Picks
2) Cap Relief
3) Some young cost-controlled players who aren't due for upcoming contract extensions

Pelicans aren't going to keep Holiday around for a rebuild. They will try to dump as much salary as possible in any AD trade

no but they can trade him separately and get value for him. he's a very good player, he's not tim hardaway jr. he's not a throw in. they'll try to dump salaries of guys on bad deals. that's not him. he was never involved in any scenario with the lakers.

True but he’s not a great starter now. Hurt again.

I still think all 3 picks and maybe like Dotson Knox DJ would be very possible for just AD.

he was playing at a near all-star level this year. and this is not a serious injury, they probably could have waited till the summer for him to do it but encouraged him to do it now to further their tank. you guys are seriously underrating him.

[2010]

For the guys who support Frank returning. How would you guys feel if we ended up with this lineup after the dust clears this offseason:

1: Holiday
2: Ntilikina
3: Durant
4: Davis
5: Robinson

vs. this one:

1: Irving
2: Dotson
3: Durant
4: Williamson
5: Robinson

Which puts us in better position for a ring?

How would you even match salaries to absorb both Davis and Holiday? Whenever I see Davis trades, they are already stretching as is to make the salary work

Sign KD. Trade for AD with him occupying one max slot. Use salaries with moving trade parts to match Holiday's salary.

[prophet_of_rage]

Frank is the only Knick to end up as a strong passer.

But we blame Fiz for the offence looking like trash?

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[denterprise]

Frank has regressed. No rush to trade him but he is not a rotation player on a decent team. In a few years perhaps but he must improve his terrible shooting.

Tony Parker said Frank would do better with a team that had a good offensive system. Hopefully next year the Knicks will have a better offensive system in place giving him every opportunity to succeed. If all the pieces fall in place and this turns out to be true, we are going to be a force. My dream is to see Frank and Mitch play significant minutes together and shut teams down on defense.

[K_ick_God]

No, 2010 is right we can just absorb him. Jrue makes about $5 LESS than the Max so we'd actually gain about +5 to the space on the 3rd slot (going from about $10 Million in that spot to about $15 Million).

We'd have to sign KD first and then make the Trade for AD & Jrue.

It's actually a very plausible and BETTER scenario. A Big 4 of AD, Jrue, KD and Zion.

--Mags

i said depending on how much was left we could. and we don't have the assets without zion to get ad & jrue. we don't have the assets to just get davis.

as much as i like mitch. mitch, knox, dennis smith jr and a pick is not getting you anthony davis. and certainly not davis & jrue.

If that package isn't enough for NOLA, then by all means they can keep him.

--Mags

Yeah we can't fall into the trap of just getting some big names and not filling in the blanks, especially the defensive blanks. Neither Kyrie nor KD is great enough or a good enough defender for that threesome to work big if the rest of the team is thin.

It won't work. Philly is getting better and other teams are on the move. AD is hurt a lot. So is Kyrie.

We make a really good deal for AD or make no deal at all ... period. Same goes for KD and Kyrie. They are welcome to come but if it's at the price of giving up Mitch, they can go elsewhere.

I'm not interested in watching the Melo Rerun. No thanks. I'd rather watch a project like Knox and even Frank.

[Richard4444]

For the guys who support Frank returning. How would you guys feel if we ended up with this lineup after the dust clears this offseason:

1: Holiday
2: Ntilikina
3: Durant
4: Davis
5: Robinson

vs. this one:

1: Irving
2: Dotson
3: Durant
4: Williamson
5: Robinson

Which puts us in better position for a ring?

The first one is impossible. We dont have salary to give back NO for Jrue and Davis contracts.

The second one is the dream scenario.

Can't we simply absorb Holiday's contract into one of our max slots?

Yes. But would be hard. I dont think we can trade the rookie after signing the contract in the first 30 days. We would have to do 2 deals.

1) After signing Durant and still under the salary cap, we would trade Jrue for 3 First Round Picks without give any salary to NO.

2) Then, we would trade for AD bu matching 80% of his salary ($21,7Mi) without giving the 2019 first.
1 Frank 4855,8
2 Knox 4463,64
3 Dennis 4385,64
4 Dotson 1618,52
5 Trier 3551,1
6 Henry 1645,3
7 Mitch 1559,712
22079,712

I dont think New orleans would accept such deal. But we can try. We can replace Mitch with Jenkins but I think New Orleans would laugh at us.

[Triple C]

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[NYKnickerbocker]

Imma miss you frank

[NYKAL]

I'd roll with Zion over AD. No question

[spree2kawhi]

I'd roll with Zion over AD. No question

I would not. AD is a top 5 player in the league, possibly top 3. I'd assume that during the last 20 years there weren't ten better players than him. He's young too. There's no drawback in acquiring him nor is there a flaw in his game.