WWE SmackDown Discussion II

[bestnamezRtaken]

Speculation/Rumor

Spoiler:

Rumor has it that the SmackDown Women's title wont be defended at WM and that the plan is to have the 4HW all holding titles by the end of the show.

[Stanford]

I don't think Shafir and Duke and ready, so I don't know what the point of that would be.

[jakecronus8]

I honestly think if it were just Ronda v Becky as the WM main event, it would disappoint big time.

You're underestimating both talents. Ronda was able to garner heat and drag a good match out of pre-Becky heat Nia Jax. Becky is the most over wrestler in the world. Charlotte won't hurt the technical aspects of the match but has already cooled down the heat leading into it. I'm sure the match will be fine, but I'm old school and prefer the one on one blowoff storyline matches vs the Russo multiple man hodge podge booking.

[improper]

And you don't consider Becky to be a foreignor because...?

Let's be honest...what happened with Becky was a total accident. They tried to turn her heel and the crowd revolted, and then Vince realized the only way he could have Charlotte/Ronda as the main event of Wrestlemania without the crowd absolutely sh*tting all over it was if Becky was involved. I guess we should be thankful he at least wasn't willing to sacrifice another 'Mania main event at the altar of his own stubbornness. Four straight years of it must have been his breaking point.

[Spens1]

I honestly think if it were just Ronda v Becky as the WM main event, it would disappoint big time. Having Charlotte in the match is an absolute must, for many reasons too. She can carry the weight of the match, make it flow really well, can lead, and then ya know....take the submission loss. I think Ronda v Becky would do better as a main event on maybe a Summer Slam PPV...one that isn't as big. I would say Royal Rumble as I think the main event of a Royal Rumble isn't as big as a main event for Summer Slam but we can't wait another year if they want to do that. Survivor Series, clearly is gonna be WWE 4HW v MMA 4HW I think.

I still maintain that they didn't do a good enough job incorporating her into the storyline. Match quality though it wouldn't be quiet as good, sure (Becky and Ronda though are top 5 in ring workers on the womans side anyway), i think though the match quality wouldn't matter too much because of the storyline and how good that would have been.

Ronda vs Becky i still think should have been the way to go and have Charlotte vs Asuka II on the smackdown side and THEN have Becky vs Charlotte in a one on one major feud over the coming months leading into summerslam.

[Stanford]

this company can't book foreigners at all and they don't even try.

They can't book anybody.

[Spens1]

this company can't book foreigners at all and they don't even try.

They can't book anybody.

That is true but it applies twice as much for people born outside of North America

[improper]

On the bright side, they really only care about two or three of the women now and everyone else is booked to be completely useless.

Which means the women are finally being treated equal to the men.

[Spens1]

Asuka should leave the company, Vince won't book her as a main event talent (that she is) in her current situation so i think the question is, is she willing to just completely phone it in like Nakamura could end up doing if he stays (if he resigns, the man is going to go at like 10% instead of 20% he is now) or does she try to actually go out and there and perform to potential away from Vince's b.s.

I fear for Kairi and i fear for Shirai because they're all kinds of screwed whilst only 6-7 women on the main roster actually matter.

[bestnamezRtaken]

I honestly think if it were just Ronda v Becky as the WM main event, it would disappoint big time. Having Charlotte in the match is an absolute must, for many reasons too. She can carry the weight of the match, make it flow really well, can lead, and then ya know....take the submission loss. I think Ronda v Becky would do better as a main event on maybe a Summer Slam PPV...one that isn't as big. I would say Royal Rumble as I think the main event of a Royal Rumble isn't as big as a main event for Summer Slam but we can't wait another year if they want to do that. Survivor Series, clearly is gonna be WWE 4HW v MMA 4HW I think.

I still maintain that they didn't do a good enough job incorporating her into the storyline. Match quality though it wouldn't be quiet as good, sure (Becky and Ronda though are top 5 in ring workers on the womans side anyway), i think though the match quality wouldn't matter too much because of the storyline and how good that would have been.

Ronda vs Becky i still think should have been the way to go and have Charlotte vs Asuka II on the smackdown side and THEN have Becky vs Charlotte in a one on one major feud over the coming months leading into summerslam.

Yeah, I can agree with you that they haven't really done that great of a job incorporating Charlotte into the story line but she does have unfinished business with Ronda as he match at SS ended in a DQ (on her own account). I also wouldn't have minded a Charlotte v Asuka II match at Mania either, with Asuka retaining the title (THERE IS ONLY 2 Ts IN THAT DAMN WORD, I DUNNO WHO THE FECK KEEPS PUTTING TITTLE BUT THAT IS NOT HOW YOU SPELL IT YOU STUPID IDIOT, lol). I think though if we had Charlotte v Asuka II at Mania, then Becky v Ronda wouldn't be the main event at WM. I just honestly think it would flop much like Shin/AJ did. I think Becky v Ronda would be a good main event for The Royal Rumble or Summer Slam, but not WM.

WM is clearly going to be the start of the NXT Horsewomen ruling the roster though. Hopefully they're put in a stable. I could actually see Charlotte and Becky teaming against Ronda to help get Becky the win over Ronda thinking about it now.

[Spens1]

I honestly think if it were just Ronda v Becky as the WM main event, it would disappoint big time. Having Charlotte in the match is an absolute must, for many reasons too. She can carry the weight of the match, make it flow really well, can lead, and then ya know....take the submission loss. I think Ronda v Becky would do better as a main event on maybe a Summer Slam PPV...one that isn't as big. I would say Royal Rumble as I think the main event of a Royal Rumble isn't as big as a main event for Summer Slam but we can't wait another year if they want to do that. Survivor Series, clearly is gonna be WWE 4HW v MMA 4HW I think.

I still maintain that they didn't do a good enough job incorporating her into the storyline. Match quality though it wouldn't be quiet as good, sure (Becky and Ronda though are top 5 in ring workers on the womans side anyway), i think though the match quality wouldn't matter too much because of the storyline and how good that would have been.

Ronda vs Becky i still think should have been the way to go and have Charlotte vs Asuka II on the smackdown side and THEN have Becky vs Charlotte in a one on one major feud over the coming months leading into summerslam.

Yeah, I can agree with you that they haven't really done that great of a job incorporating Charlotte into the story line but she does have unfinished business with Ronda as he match at SS ended in a DQ (on her own account). I also wouldn't have minded a Charlotte v Asuka II match at Mania either, with Asuka retaining the title (THERE IS ONLY 2 Ts IN THAT DAMN WORD, I DUNNO WHO THE FECK KEEPS PUTTING TITTLE BUT THAT IS NOT HOW YOU SPELL IT YOU STUPID IDIOT, lol). I think though if we had Charlotte v Asuka II at Mania, then Becky v Ronda wouldn't be the main event at WM. I just honestly think it would flop much like Shin/AJ did. I think Becky v Ronda would be a good main event for The Royal Rumble or Summer Slam, but not WM.

WM is clearly going to be the start of the NXT Horsewomen ruling the roster though. Hopefully they're put in a stable. I could actually see Charlotte and Becky teaming against Ronda to help get Becky the win over Ronda thinking about it now.

She does but they've done a horrible job of emphasising that point and atm its basically becky in two seperate feuds (one with Charlotte and one with Ronda) there is next to no heat between her and Ronda which is pretty disasterous for the main event program.

[bestnamezRtaken]

I disagree that there is next to no heat between her and Ronda...Ronda still wants revenge for SS, Becky and Charlotte were both screwed over by Ronda for the SmackDown women's title. There's heat. They've just been focusing more on Becky because Becky is good at Twitter/IG roasting, while Charlotte doesn't focus on that aspect as much. Social media is the reason why everyone is so focused on Becky v Ronda. Charlotte has heat with Ronda, it's not next to nothing, lol.

[Scott Hall]

this company can't book foreigners at all and they don't even try.

They can't book anybody.

That is true but it applies twice as much for people born outside of North America

Bruno? Andre? Yokozuna? Sheamus? Reigns (although American) ?

Asuka in her rookie year won the Royal Rumble had a match with the best womens wrestler of all time
at WM, won the tittle in a match that featured Becky and Charlotte and just tapped out arguably the hottest
act in the industry clean at arguably the 2nd biggest PPV of the year in front of 40,000 people.

There's a lot of wrestlers that would take that in their rookie year on the main roster. I know you're a big Asuka mark
so anything with her not having the tittle and being in the high profile womens match is gonna piss you off

[Stanford]

won the tittle in a match that featured Becky and Charlotte and just tapped out arguably the hottest
act in the industry clean at arguably the 2nd biggest PPV of the year in front of 40,000 people.

WWE then proceeded to put her in an uninteresting feud with Mandy Rose (who I like, but isn't ready) and sometimes leave her off Smackdown! altogether.

They have no idea what to do with her.

[Scott Hall]

won the tittle in a match that featured Becky and Charlotte and just tapped out arguably the hottest
act in the industry clean at arguably the 2nd biggest PPV of the year in front of 40,000 people.

WWE then proceeded to put her in an uninteresting feud with Mandy Rose (who I like, but isn't ready) and sometimes leave her off Smackdown! altogether.

They have no idea what to do with her.

It's because the division is to shallow especially with the brand split... it's gonna take awhile to build up
Mandy Rose and Lacey Evans. Sounds like Kairi Sane and Shayna Baylzer could be called up during the shakeup.

They tried with Carmella but gave up on her ring work

[Spens1]

They can't book anybody.

That is true but it applies twice as much for people born outside of North America

Bruno? Andre? Yokozuna? Sheamus? Reigns (although American) ?

Asuka in her rookie year won the Royal Rumble had a match with the best womens wrestler of all time
at WM, won the tittle in a match that featured Becky and Charlotte and just tapped out arguably the hottest
act in the industry clean at arguably the 2nd biggest PPV of the year in front of 40,000 people.

There's a lot of wrestlers that would take that in their rookie year on the main roster. I know you're a big Asuka mark
so anything with her not having the tittle and being in the high profile womens match is gonna piss you off

True but for her, being possibly the best womans wrestler since Manami Toyota, Bull Nakano, Aja Kong and Akira Hokuto to jobbing to freaking Carmella. Like honestly.

Also yes she got those things, she lost her feud with Charlotte and lost here, her win against Becky (which should have been a turning point) instead was followed by her not being on TV and not getting anything before tapping to Charlotte on tv (not even PPV, on tv).

Also Sanmartino is American as is Roman. Yokozuna is an islander and Vince for whatever reason does actually treat them fairly. Sheamus got over because he was HHH's gym buddy, besides that no one really has gotten a fair go at all besides maybe Del Rio and that's cause Vince loves him for reasons no one understands.

They've done a horrible job with stars that where massive names (even legends) in other countries and have botched them completely because they're at an all time low in terms of booking ability.

[tugs]

Devil's advocate here. In their defense, bringing in international hot acts and have them all be unstoppable is nearly impossible. It's not gonna surprise me if the instant suggestions for storylines would be similar to Brock's or Ronda's.

Which reminds me. I'm starting another thread hold on.

[Scott Hall]

That is true but it applies twice as much for people born outside of North America

Bruno? Andre? Yokozuna? Sheamus? Reigns (although American) ?

Asuka in her rookie year won the Royal Rumble had a match with the best womens wrestler of all time
at WM, won the tittle in a match that featured Becky and Charlotte and just tapped out arguably the hottest
act in the industry clean at arguably the 2nd biggest PPV of the year in front of 40,000 people.

There's a lot of wrestlers that would take that in their rookie year on the main roster. I know you're a big Asuka mark
so anything with her not having the tittle and being in the high profile womens match is gonna piss you off

True but for her, being possibly the best womans wrestler since Manami Toyota, Bull Nakano, Aja Kong and Akira Hokuto to jobbing to freaking Carmella. Like honestly.

Also yes she got those things, she lost her feud with Charlotte and lost here, her win against Becky (which should have been a turning point) instead was followed by her not being on TV and not getting anything before tapping to Charlotte on tv (not even PPV, on tv).

Also Sanmartino is American as is Roman. Yokozuna is an islander and Vince for whatever reason does actually treat them fairly. Sheamus got over because he was HHH's gym buddy, besides that no one really has gotten a fair go at all besides maybe Del Rio and that's cause Vince loves him for reasons no one understands.

They've done a horrible job with stars that where massive names (even legends) in other countries and have botched them completely because they're at an all time low in terms of booking ability.

Sammartino is Italian and moved to America as a teenager and didn't know any English. Del Rio is 2nd generation and
the son of a famous wrestler which Vinces likes since he's from a wrestling family. But he wanted a strong Mexican
star to appeal to that demographic.

I actually forgot to mention Jinder and Khali!!! They both got Championship runs and good pushes just because
they were Indian and he wanted to grow that market. Not because they were talented or anything.

Let's not forget Asuka has a major flaw with her mic skills since she can barely speak English. Losing to Charlotte isn't
the end of the world and her Goldberg streak was gonna come to an end sooner or later at least it was done on the grandest
stage of them all and not on a Smackdown.

The Carmella thing was stupid but the division is not very deep and then when you divide it with heels and faces and
it becomes even more shallow. So when you see Asuka making them look good it's not an indictment on Asuka it's that
they gotta start building more credible stars for the division or the big 4 (Rousey, Charlotte, Becky, Asuka) are gonna
plow through everybody fast.

There was a report a few months ago that Vince was high on Asuka but I think this Wrestlemania is unique circumstances
with Rouseys impending free agency.

[donkeylips]

wwe can book foreigners, they just can't book non white foreigners. becky is a foreigner. yokozuna and roman are not foreigners.

[Stanford]

awe can book foreigners, they just can't book non white foreigners. becky is a foreigner. yokozuna and roman are not foreigners.

Yokozuna is Japanese, sir.