2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

[sunsbg]

I don't think it's smart to draw such conclusions from tiny sample sizes. The team could be 100% without him, and it could still be true that he carries them. Not saying he does or doesn't, just that it's not smart to draw this conclusion.

Just giving credit to the Mavs role players and Carlisle as some Luka fans forgot to do it before and after the trade. Personally as a Suns fan I will trade Kokoskov for Carlisle before I trade Ayton for Doncic, if it was possible.

C'mon man, even if you're not trolling you know this ain't true.

Bench scored 57 points, more than the first lineup that was without Luka. Means that one or two guys from the bench went nuts. Happens from time to time.

Early in the season when they still had a full team and were close to being in playoffs, Luka had many games when he had to bail them out in the 4th Q. They wouldn't have been even close to the playoff race without him. So yeah, he did some heavy lifting in games that mattered, but right now, he said himself that these games don't mean much, so i would assume his motivation dropped significantly.
So i don't believe that Mavs are better without him.

And Doncic has much higher trade value than Ayton, he is basically un-tradeable, so you're right about that

I'm just saying the Mavs players are not the garbage Luka fans are making it sound. I prefer Carlisle for the Suns if I had to choose, not talking for trade value. That's all.

[Archx]

I'm just saying the Mavs players are not the garbage Luka fans are making it sound. I prefer Carlisle for the Suns if I had to choose, not talking for trade value. That's all.

That's fair. But like Johnny said, give Igor some time and a properly built team around Book and Ayton. Let's see what he can do then. I still think starting 3 rookies and a still very young Booker, can not magically net you a great result. We've seen in some games, when at least PHX had a healthy team, that they were able to fight with anyone

[sunsbg]

Kokoskov is an excellent coach btw, he will prove himself, give him time.

Maybe for a perimeter oriented team. I'm very skeptical about his fit with the Suns. It's funny that the Suns are running an offense one would expect a team will build around Doncic, not Ayton.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Kokoskov is an excellent coach btw, he will prove himself, give him time.

Maybe for a perimeter oriented team. I'm very skeptical about his fit with the Suns. It's funny that the Suns are running an offense one would expect a team will build around Doncic, not Ayton.

As much as I like Ayton it was such a stupid decision to pass on Doncic, it would have solved their issue of needing a point right off the bat and given them a young perimeter duo that can score or assist on 50-60% of every point.

[JHFVF07]

Before the draft, I was hoping the Suns to draft Doncic and overpay Capella, that would be a fun team.
Well, but I really like Ayton, he will be a great player, so, everybody wins.

[Buzzard]

Kokoskov is an excellent coach btw, he will prove himself, give him time.

Maybe for a perimeter oriented team. I'm very skeptical about his fit with the Suns. It's funny that the Suns are running an offense one would expect a team will build around Doncic, not Ayton.

As much as I like Ayton it was such a stupid decision to pass on Doncic, it would have solved their issue of needing a point right off the bat and given them a young perimeter duo that can score or assist on 50-60% of every point.

I think you are wrong and I am saying this as a Hawks fan who has Trae Young. The reason so many GMs reach for bigs is because the talent for players that tall is hard to find. The talent pool is deeper for point guards in other words. Finding a real difference maker 6'10" or taller is a hell of a lot harder.

I am glad we have PG Trae Toung and the 6'10" Collins ( steal of the 2017 draft ). Now we need to fill in some serious gaps. Ayton was the right pick and it is starting to look like Bagley was to. I am talking long term; not ROY term.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm just saying the Mavs players are not the garbage Luka fans are making it sound.

Name the current healthy Mav not names Luka you believe would start on a playoff team.

You can't name one because they don't have any starting caliber players outside of Luka in the rotation. I wouldn't call them garbage of course as they are on NBA rosters and a handful of them would be rotation guys on good teams.

But obviously all these teams who were picking high in the draft last year save the Kings are bad teams with limited talent--that's why they were picking high in the first place. And Dallas dumped 4 starters mid-season for a guy who isn't playing, 2 salary dumps, Justin Jackson and Trey Burke.

They are a team almost totally devoid of meaningful talent. But none of that is relevant to Luka. Because it's not like Luka is carrying these scrubs to wins. Nope the team is losing and losing and losing.

So we should be able to talk factually about the team having minimal talent without someone accusing people of mentioning it solely to prop up Luka. Because it doesn't prop up Luka. In fact it explains why some of his stats have been less impressive in recent weeks--because defenses have nobody else to worry about.

I get the pushback against all the hype. I do. But some of the arguments against him are just so stupid.

[parson]

I get the pushback against all the hype. I do. But some of the arguments against him are just so stupid.

That's because all the intelligent arguments have been made (and made and made). All folks have left are the stupid ones.

Luka* Doncic has had one of the best rookie seasons in years.
Trae Young has had one of the best rookie seasons in years.


*For all those who have "quotes" of me posting "Luke:" you're part of an alien conspiracy, funded by the Illuminati. It never happened; I didn't do it.

Again, sorry for the autocorrect.

[Pg81]

I get the pushback against all the hype. I do. But some of the arguments against him are just so stupid.

That's because all the intelligent arguments have been made (and made and made). All folks have left are the stupid ones.

Luke Doncic has had one of the best rookie seasons in years.
Trae Young has had one of the best rookie seasons in years.

A fine sentinment and I agree with this whole heartedly. May the future for those be bright and be devoid of major injuries. Cheers!

[sunsbg]

I get the pushback against all the hype. I do. But some of the arguments against him are just so stupid.

That's because all the intelligent arguments have been made (and made and made). All folks have left are the stupid ones.

Luke Doncic has had one of the best rookie seasons in years.
Trae Young has had one of the best rookie seasons in years.

The really stupid thing is putting a single player above the team and giving a credit to him for the winning, while putting the losing on the role players, which was the case all season long with some Doncic supporters(not all). I called out those with my comments, not trying to diss Luka, who is for real and plays a winning type of basketball, which I like.

Btw the ratio of And1s to posts you have doesn't give you the right to do such bold statements. I see you are also in the 'Luke' club of people, who didn't learn his name for almost a full season now.

[King Ken]

I get the pushback against all the hype. I do. But some of the arguments against him are just so stupid.

That's because all the intelligent arguments have been made (and made and made). All folks have left are the stupid ones.

Luke Doncic has had one of the best rookie seasons in years.
Trae Young has had one of the best rookie seasons in years.

Why do you think I stopped talking in depth. I made all of the arguments why Trae should be ROY. I hope he is.

[parson]

I see you are also in the 'Luke' club of people, who didn't learn his name for almost a full season now.

I didn't even see that until you pointed it out. Sorry, everyone: autocorrect.

[NYKHardKnock]

Mitchell Robinson draining threes in practice. Thought he really busted out on the scene? Wait till next season. He’s right up there with the bigs drafted in the lottery.