Hair Canada wrote:Mirotic, I'm starting to think Sakkreth is right that it's useless to try debating with you because you pick and choose and twist what I say. But here's one last try. I didn't say that either Blatt or Messina is the second best in Europe, although they are surely at the top. Focusing on coaches' failures over a career of 25 or 30 years is very shortsighted, especially when Blatt, for example, saw success with an underdog team just last year. Anyone who has coached that long (save maybe for Popovic in the NBA and Obradovic in Europe) has known some bad years, including with teams that have large budgets and expectations. That's the nature of the beast.
What I did say, and you are unable to dispute (or just choose to ignore), is that both Messina and (especially) Blatt have a very diverse record of achievements, one which bodes very well for leading a national team with a few NBA players which comes without a long tradition of achievements. They had success not only with European club teams, but also with national teams (again, Blatt led a total underdog Russian team to a European gold medal and then, a couple of years later, came back after they were underperforming and led them to another great achievement -- an Olympic bronze) and even with NBA teams. Obradovic, for example, has not. Now, the main problem I think is that you just throw mud at these two coaches, without really offering reasonable alternatives. Which European coach has had a better and more diverse career and deserves the job more? Naturally, you can't even come up with names that match your criteria of "winning more than just one lousy Euroleague title". 
Now, I like Rana a lot, and he has the advantage of being a Canadian, which certainly gives him points in my book. He's also already familiar with the players and the system, which is certainly an advantage. But to say that he's a better/equal coach to Blatt or Messina? Based on what? When did he lead an adult basketball team to success at either an international professional league or with a national team? What NBA experience does he have? Rana didn't fail with a European club team like Blatt or Messina have over their very long careers. But that's because he never coached such a team or for that matter, any other team at that level... So that makes him a better coach because he didn't fail? I doubt if you realize how absurd this argument is, but I'm sure others here do.
I'm not twisting anything you are writing. I am merely stating if something isn't factually correct. It isn't factually true that Blatt never coached a big team - he did. It's also not factually correct that he coached an "underdog team last year".
Last season, Darussafaka had the largest budget of any team by far and away in the EuroCup. The next highest budget in the league was 1/4 lower, and the next after that 1/3 lower. Most of the other teams had a pittance by comparison in budget. 
They were the clear favorite from before the season began. Not an underdog team.The team with the biggest budget in the league, by a very large margin, isn't an underdog team. Let's look at what Blatt actually did in Europe since he left the Cavs.
2016-17 season with Darussafaka in EuroLeague --->
The 2nd highest budget in Europe, at €36 million euros, which at the time was higher than Real's or Fener's budget, and second only to CSKA's budget.
They finished with a 17-17 record, and finished in 8th place out of 16 teams. So 2nd highest budget, a .500 record and an 8 place out of 16. In the Turkish League...with the highest budget of any team in the league, they got swept in the league's semifinals..even though they had the biggest budget in the league.
2017-18 season with Darussafaka in EuroCup (level below EuroLeague) --->
They won the EuroCup championship, having the by far and away biggest budget in the league. Great. Did what they were supposed to do. In the Turkish League, they had the 2nd biggest budget in the league. Did they finish in 2nd place during the regular season? No. They finished in 6th place, with an 18-12 record. Did they make the league's finals? No. They were swept in the first round of the playoffs, despite having the second biggest budget in the whole league.
2018-19 season with Olympiacos in EuroLeague --->
Olympiacos is 14-15 with one game left in the regular season, and stand a very good chance of not even making the playoffs. That's with 3 of the best players in Europe, a couple of champion level type role players, and some other guys that can at least contribute something....this team might not even make the playoffs. 
Let's not pretend that this isn't a big team, or that this isn't some kind of huge failure for Blatt. Olympiacos has made the EuroLeague playoffs in 12 out of the last 13 seasons. The one time that they missed the playoffs during that time (2015-16), they had a ton of injuries through the season. 
The previous coach had them in the playoffs the last 2 seasons, and in the league final just 2 years ago. Blatt comes in this season, when the team increased it's budget....and now might not make the playoffs.Greek League results are irrelevant, because everyone knows the league is rigged. So can't conclude anything from his performance based on that. But he does deserve the blame for the EuroLeague results.
Blatt has been, at best, mediocre in Europe over the last 3 seasons.Also, Russia wasn't an underdog team in 2007. The 2007 Russian team was the best team Russia ever had. The deepest, most experienced, most versatile, and most talented and complete Russian team 1-12 ever. You could make the argument they were the underdog in the final against Spain, since it was a home game for Spain. But not in the tournament overall. The best Russian team ever isn't an underdog under almost any circumstance, save maybe playing against a serious USA team.