Gilbert Arenas gives his opinion on Zion Williamson

JimmyTheGreek · Post #1 » by **JimmyTheGreek** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:17 pm

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dlts20 · Post #2 » by **dlts20** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:20 pm

Gilbert is actually pretty good at this stuff but idk if he's fully right this time. I didn't watch the whole vid but I saw a clip earlier on undisputed and some of his premise seems to be based on Zion playing the 3 when I don't think any team would play him much there

GildedState · Post #3 » by **GildedState** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:23 pm

He's completely right. The NCAA Tournament actually killed the hype because he wasn't getting those highlights he got in the regular season. UCF, Virignia State and Michigan State exposed his lack of IQ, skill and versatility outside of athleticism.

peZt · Post #4 » by **peZt** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:26 pm

He's in the 99th percentile for Post scoring on high usage. The **** is he talking about

316Hornets · Post #5 » by **316Hornets** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:39 pm

GildedState wrote:He's completely right. The NCAA Tournament actually killed the hype because he wasn't getting those highlights he got in the regular season. UCF, Virignia State and Michigan State exposed his lack of IQ, skill and versatility outside of athleticism.

You mean like Shaq?

Post #6 » by **bisme37** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:43 pm

I just can't get behind any take on Zion that starts with "he's undersized." Especially in the current NBA. And especially if you've ever watched Zion play.

Yoshun · Post #7 » by **Yoshun** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:46 pm

GildedState wrote:He's completely right. The NCAA Tournament actually killed the hype because he wasn't getting those highlights he got in the regular season. UCF, Virignia State and Michigan State exposed his lack of IQ, skill and versatility outside of athleticism.

He put up 26/10 on just under 58% shooting. I watched all of those games, he played well overall. He turned the ball over a bit during the Michigan state game, but it's not unexpected of a kid his age.

I think anyone whose expecting him to come in and make an immediate impact is going to be disappointed. He has an NBA-ready body but he's still raw in a lot of ways and needs to learn. He's young and, what it sounds like, works hard. There's no reason to think he can't be a really good player at the NBA level. He doesn't lack the IQ, he lacks experience, I think that's the important piece.

Catchall · Post #8 » by **Catchall** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:47 pm

He won't play at the 3. He'll be like the All Star version of Paul Millsap, a face-up PF, by his 2nd year. He just needs to tighten his handle a bit.

nikster · Post #9 » by **nikster** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:50 pm

dlts20 wrote:Gilbert is actually pretty good at this stuff but idk if he's fully right this time. I didn't watch the whole vid but I saw a clip earlier on undisputed and some of his premise seems to be based on Zion playing the 3 when I don't think any team would play him much there

Still some concerns he raised if Zion is at the 4. Can he post up without relying on completely overpowering players? Can he move off the ball? Can he create everything as the #1 option?

JXL · Post #10 » by **JXL** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:51 pm

bisme37 wrote:I just can't get behind any take on Zion that starts with "he's undersized." Especially in the current NBA. And especially if you've ever watched Zion play.

IKR, plus with where the NBA is going with no positions, you'd think they would put Zion because he's 6'7" he's mandated to put up a ton of 3's, and that' s not how he's going to dominate on the next level.

Post #11 » by **og15** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:52 pm

Gilbert said he "Blake Griffin'd" it. Now Blake was far more of a post-up player than Zion is, but Blake in his first (kinda second) season was a 23/12/4 player. Now, if Zion can just go out and Blake Griffin it his first season and then add more skills later, what's the problem?

nikster · Post #12 » by **nikster** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:54 pm

peZt wrote:He's in the 99th percentile for Post scoring on high usage. The **** is he talking about

I don’t think you understood his point. Sure he can post up effectively against far inferior athletes. He doesn’t have to use much post skill or work hard to establish position or score. The question is does he have the post skill to score on NBA size and athleticism

GildedState · Post #13 » by **GildedState** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:54 pm

316Hornets wrote:
GildedState wrote:He's completely right. The NCAA Tournament actually killed the hype because he wasn't getting those highlights he got in the regular season. UCF, Virignia State and Michigan State exposed his lack of IQ, skill and versatility outside of athleticism.

You mean like Shaq?

Zion is closer to Kobe than he is to Shaq, in terms of size.

Funcrusher · Post #14 » by **Funcrusher** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:55 pm

What in the **** is Gil talking about

E-Balla · Post #15 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:57 pm

og15 wrote:Gilbert said he "Blake Griffin'd" it. Now Blake was far more of a post-up player than Zion is, but Blake in his first (kinda second) season was a 23/12/4 player. Now, if Zion can just go out and Blake Griffin it his first season and then add more skills later, what's the problem?

Basically. This is a trash hot take. If anything the tourney showed how bad RJ actually was and how much limited the team.

JXL · Post #16 » by **JXL** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:59 pm

GildedState wrote:
316Hornets wrote:
GildedState wrote:He's completely right. The NCAA Tournament actually killed the hype because he wasn't getting those highlights he got in the regular season. UCF, Virignia State and Michigan State exposed his lack of IQ, skill and versatility outside of athleticism.

You mean like Shaq?

Zion is closer to Kobe than he is to Shaq, in terms of size.

Height, you mean, but size?!

cpower · Post #17 » by **cpower** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 8:00 pm

Can he run the offense like Draymond Green? I mean if he can handle the ball and be a 10X better finisher than Green, that is already an all star.

JXL · Post #18 » by **JXL** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 8:01 pm

E-Balla wrote:
og15 wrote:Gilbert said he "Blake Griffin'd" it. Now Blake was far more of a post-up player than Zion is, but Blake in his first (kinda second) season was a 23/12/4 player. Now, if Zion can just go out and Blake Griffin it his first season and then add more skills later, what's the problem?

Basically. This is a trash hot take. If anything the tourney showed how bad RJ actually was and how much limited the team.

Not really, it was how small Reddish came up, even going back to the ACC tournament. He was suppose to be their talented shooter to spread the floor, but he was awful.

JXL · Post #19 » by **JXL** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 8:02 pm

cpower wrote:Can he run the offense like Draymond Green? I mean if he can handle the ball and be a 10X better finisher than Green, that is already an all star.

You're not asking him to be a playmaker, he's not that kind of player. He's going to get rebounds, putbacks, be a menace in the open court, and play bully ball while in playing in a more spaced offense.

Post #20 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 8:02 pm

GildedState wrote:He's completely right. The NCAA Tournament actually killed the hype because he wasn't getting those highlights he got in the regular season. UCF, Virignia State and Michigan State exposed his lack of IQ, skill and versatility outside of athleticism.

Id say the complete opposite. I think the tournament showed that he is a lot more than just his highlights. Like you said he wasn't getting those highlight plays he was getting the rest of the season. Okay so what did he end up doing then.

26/8/2 with a steal and 2 blocks a game while shooting 61% from the floor and 41% from 3 on 4 attempts a game. I think he proved that there is a lot more substance to his game and its not just highlights.