Quit talking about Beal and a Supermax

[penbeast0]

Listening to Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux's podcast, they both have Russell Westbrook in their 5 worst contracts in the league. I think the Supermax is a bad deal for almost everyone. It's an insane amount of money and Beal, while damn good, isn't LeBron/AD/Curry level good.

[nate33]

Listening to Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux's podcast, they both have Russell Westbrook in their 5 worst contracts in the league. I think the Supermax is a bad deal for almost everyone. It's an insane amount of money and Beal, while damn good, isn't LeBron/AD/Curry level good.

I don't understand why teams feel so compelled to give it.

The bottom line is that only the team that drafts a player can give him the supermax. Beal can't get a supermax anywhere else. The best he can do from any other team is a 30%-of-the-cap contract with 4.5% raises. A supermax is a 35% contract with raises big enough to keep him at 35% of the cap as the cap rises. That's a MUCH bigger contract.

Why not just offer Beal a 30% contract that stays 30% as the cap rises? That's bigger than 30% with 4.5% raises that others can offer, and it can be offered right now, giving Beal security from injury risk over the next 2 years. And Beal doesn't have to move his family and he gets to be beloved by his home franchise. Finally, how many teams are going to be in position to give Beal a 30% max contract in two years while actually being a better basketball situation than Washington (since most teams that free up 30% of cap room do so by having virtually no other players on the roster).

I'd put the 30% offer on the table now. Tell him that we like him so much, the organization will give him a better offer than anyone else while taking on the injury risk 2 years ahead of time, just to get him locked in now. It may not be the full 35% supermax, but it's the best deal he can possibly get. If he doesn't like it, then just wait two years and see what develops. Chances are good that there isn't a team out there that's a better situation, and even if there is, there's still the option to offer him 35% then.

[ozthegap]

Listening to Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux's podcast, they both have Russell Westbrook in their 5 worst contracts in the league. I think the Supermax is a bad deal for almost everyone. It's an insane amount of money and Beal, while damn good, isn't LeBron/AD/Curry level good.

I don't understand why teams feel so compelled to give it.

The bottom line is that only the team that drafts a player can give him the supermax. Beal can't get a supermax anywhere else. The best he can do from any other team is a 30%-of-the-cap contract with 4.5% raises. A supermax is a 35% contract with raises big enough to keep him at 35% of the cap as the cap rises. That's a MUCH bigger contract.

Why not just offer Beal a 30% contract that stays 30% as the cap rises? That's bigger than 30% with 4.5% raises that others can offer, and it can be offered right now, giving Beal security from injury risk over the next 2 years. And Beal doesn't have to move his family and he gets to be beloved by his home franchise. Finally, how many teams are going to be in position to give Beal a 30% max contract in two years while actually being a better basketball situation than Washington (since most teams that free up 30% of cap room do so by having virtually no other players on the roster).

I'd put the 30% offer on the table now. Tell him that we like him so much, the organization will give him a better offer than anyone else while taking on the injury risk 2 years ahead of time, just to get him locked in now. It may not be the full 35% supermax, but it's the best deal he can possibly get. If he doesn't like it, then just wait two years and see what develops. Chances are good that there isn't a team out there that's a better situation, and even if there is, there's still the option to offer him 35% then.

the one pro to giving a supermax is players remember if you treat your players badly. the only types of players who consider us in free agency are role players who want to get paid. so we need to keep the image that we pay our players up so we can at least still get consideration from those players.

[ozthegap]

Listening to Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux's podcast, they both have Russell Westbrook in their 5 worst contracts in the league. I think the Supermax is a bad deal for almost everyone. It's an insane amount of money and Beal, while damn good, isn't LeBron/AD/Curry level good.

I don't understand why teams feel so compelled to give it.

The bottom line is that only the team that drafts a player can give him the supermax. Beal can't get a supermax anywhere else. The best he can do from any other team is a 30%-of-the-cap contract with 4.5% raises. A supermax is a 35% contract with raises big enough to keep him at 35% of the cap as the cap rises. That's a MUCH bigger contract.

Why not just offer Beal a 30% contract that stays 30% as the cap rises? That's bigger than 30% with 4.5% raises that others can offer, and it can be offered right now, giving Beal security from injury risk over the next 2 years. And Beal doesn't have to move his family and he gets to be beloved by his home franchise. Finally, how many teams are going to be in position to give Beal a 30% max contract in two years while actually being a better basketball situation than Washington (since most teams that free up 30% of cap room do so by having virtually no other players on the roster).

I'd put the 30% offer on the table now. Tell him that we like him so much, the organization will give him a better offer than anyone else while taking on the injury risk 2 years ahead of time, just to get him locked in now. It may not be the full 35% supermax, but it's the best deal he can possibly get. If he doesn't like it, then just wait two years and see what develops. Chances are good that there isn't a team out there that's a better situation, and even if there is, there's still the option to offer him 35% then.

the one pro to giving a supermax is players remember if you treat your players badly. the only types of players who consider us in free agency are role players who want to get paid. so we need to keep the image that we pay our players up so we can at least still get consideration from those players.

[prime1time]

It's irrelevant if we talk about it or not. Also, it's irrelevant what that podcast says about Westbrooks contract. If the Warriors break-up the Thunder are a legitimate championship contenders. Even with Russell on the super max. You build a team with stars and players on rookie contracts. That's just the reality. I don't care if a contract is top 5 worst or not. Do you think that the Thunder would trade Westbrook for a "better" contract like a combination of Robert Covington and Dario Saric? Would that make the team better? You win championships with top 10 players, rookie contracts and vets willing to take pay cuts. The rookie contracts, and the vets will both be under paid so a team can afford to overpay the star.

[dckingsfan]

I heard Beal want's the supermax!

[DCZards]

I heard Beal want's the supermax!

I'm sure BB would love to get the supermax. Who wouldn't? But he might be willing to consider a proposal like the one Nate outlined.

But this will probably be a nonissue in a few weeks. I don't expect Beal to make all-NBA, which is the only way that he'd qualify for the supermax.

[prime1time]

I heard Beal want's the supermax!

I'm sure BB would love to get the supermax. Who wouldn't? But he might be willing to consider a proposal like the one Nate outlined.

But this will probably be a nonissue in a few weeks. I don't expect Beal to make all-NBA, which is the only way that he'd qualify for the supermax.

Yeah, I think Booker makes it over him given Booker's last couple of games.

[tontoz]

I heard Beal want's the supermax!

I'm sure BB would love to get the supermax. Who wouldn't? But he might be willing to consider a proposal like the one Nate outlined.

But this will probably be a nonissue in a few weeks. I don't expect Beal to make all-NBA, which is the only way that he'd qualify for the supermax.

Pretty sure dckingsfan is just trolling OP.

[DCZards]

I heard Beal want's the supermax!

I'm sure BB would love to get the supermax. Who wouldn't? But he might be willing to consider a proposal like the one Nate outlined.

But this will probably be a nonissue in a few weeks. I don't expect Beal to make all-NBA, which is the only way that he'd qualify for the supermax.

Yeah, I think Booker makes it over him given Booker's last couple of games.

Booker is not making it over Beal....not with his team's record.

Here are the six all-NBA guards...Curry, Harden, Lilliard, Kyrie (although I wouldn't include him given that he missed so many games), Westbrook, and Kemba.

[FAH1223]

Well hopefully he doesn't make All NBA and there's no opportunity for a supermax!

[dckingsfan]

I heard Beal want's the supermax!

I'm sure BB would love to get the supermax. Who wouldn't? But he might be willing to consider a proposal like the one Nate outlined.

But this will probably be a nonissue in a few weeks. I don't expect Beal to make all-NBA, which is the only way that he'd qualify for the supermax.

Pretty sure dckingsfan is just trolling OP.

Fivethirtyeight gives him an 85% of receiving a supermax offer.

[Ruzious]

At this point, Beal would likely take it as a lack of respect for him if the Wiz don't offer him a supermax. Once the Wiz gave Wall that absurd extension, they set the tone for being "loyal" to Beal.

[Jamaaliver]

I don't understand why the organization would even consider giving such a huge deal to Beal.

How does drastically increasing his salary and subsequently taking up a larger chunk of salary cap, make this team better?

If he, in his prime, having the most productive season of his career can't even get the team to a .500 record...why would massively increasing his salary make the situation better?

[montestewart]

Listening to Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux's podcast, they both have Russell Westbrook in their 5 worst contracts in the league. I think the Supermax is a bad deal for almost everyone. It's an insane amount of money and Beal, while damn good, isn't LeBron/AD/Curry level good.

I don't understand why teams feel so compelled to give it.

The bottom line is that only the team that drafts a player can give him the supermax. Beal can't get a supermax anywhere else. The best he can do from any other team is a 30%-of-the-cap contract with 4.5% raises. A supermax is a 35% contract with raises big enough to keep him at 35% of the cap as the cap rises. That's a MUCH bigger contract.

Why not just offer Beal a 30% contract that stays 30% as the cap rises? That's bigger than 30% with 4.5% raises that others can offer, and it can be offered right now, giving Beal security from injury risk over the next 2 years. And Beal doesn't have to move his family and he gets to be beloved by his home franchise. Finally, how many teams are going to be in position to give Beal a 30% max contract in two years while actually being a better basketball situation than Washington (since most teams that free up 30% of cap room do so by having virtually no other players on the roster).

I'd put the 30% offer on the table now. Tell him that we like him so much, the organization will give him a better offer than anyone else while taking on the injury risk 2 years ahead of time, just to get him locked in now. It may not be the full 35% supermax, but it's the best deal he can possibly get. If he doesn't like it, then just wait two years and see what develops. Chances are good that there isn't a team out there that's a better situation, and even if there is, there's still the option to offer him 35% then.

the one pro to giving a supermax is players remember if you treat your players badly. the only types of players who consider us in free agency are role players who want to get paid. so we need to keep the image that we pay our players up so we can at least still get consideration from those players.

So overpay stars in order to convince role players that they might get overpaid too? That's a good way to assemble a roster of overpaid players, not so good for building a contender.

Wizards get frequently passed over because years of bumbling management/ownership have poisoned their image. Overpaying would only further that perception.

In the superstar age of exposure, with NY and LA as the top tier metropolises, Washington should be able to compete in the 2nd tier of metropolises, maybe not at the top, but considering the population, media concentration, and international exposure, Washington should do better with FAs. Even a frequent knock against it, "a city of transients," is only partially true and ignores the fact of its rapid expansion and the less localized nature of Washington sports fanbases potentially contributing to a more national or international profile for a player.

What Washington lacks is a recent history of sustained success on the court or in the front office. Do a better job finding value in trades, FAs, and the draft, build the team into an authentic contender, even a marginal contender, and do so in a way that will allow the roster, top to bottom, to continue to evolve, start selling the joys of DC right around the Cherry Blossom Festival, and have some Caps or Nationals make pitches. I'll bet a good GM could surprise us all and land a plum FA.

[penbeast0]

At this point, Beal would likely take it as a lack of respect for him if the Wiz don't offer him a supermax. Once the Wiz gave Wall that absurd extension, they set the tone for being "loyal" to Beal.

And Wall demanded the Supermax to "make up for" Beal and Porter getting maxed when he wasn't. It's not a good reason and it's not going to help the team attract or retain talent. What will is having a strong young base of players that a FA thinks might win a ring if he comes in. People like winners, people don't like losers. And the Wiz have been one of the NBA's worst run teams (outside the Clippers and TWolves) for a long long time.

[Ruzious]

At this point, Beal would likely take it as a lack of respect for him if the Wiz don't offer him a supermax. Once the Wiz gave Wall that absurd extension, they set the tone for being "loyal" to Beal.

And Wall demanded the Supermax to "make up for" Beal and Porter getting maxed when he wasn't. It's not a good reason and it's not going to help the team attract or retain talent. What will is having a strong young base of players that a FA thinks might win a ring if he comes in. People like winners, people don't like losers. And the Wiz have been one of the NBA's worst run teams (outside the Clippers and TWolves) for a long long time.

The irony there is that supposedly Beal was lobbying for some of the all-stars to come to Washington - while his contract could very well be part of an albatross that prevents the likelihiood of any of them coming to DC. I'm sure he had good intentions. It's just a math thing, right?

[penbeast0]

I think if say, Durant had come to Washington, Beal might be willing to back off his money demands to play with a legit star. But otherwise, this is sort of a depressing place to play (or be a fan). That could be a factor too.

[DCZards]

In the superstar age of exposure, with NY and LA as the top tier metropolises, Washington should be able to compete in the 2nd tier of metropolises, maybe not at the top, but considering the population, media concentration, and international exposure, Washington should do better with FAs. Even a frequent knock against it, "a city of transients," is only partially true and ignores the fact of its rapid expansion and the less localized nature of Washington sports fanbases potentially contributing to a more national or international profile for a player.

What Washington lacks is a recent history of sustained success on the court or in the front office. Do a better job finding value in trades, FAs, and the draft, build the team into an authentic contender, even a marginal contender, and do so in a way that will allow the roster, top to bottom, to continue to evolve, start selling the joys of DC right around the Cherry Blossom Festival, and have some Caps or Nationals make pitches. I'll bet a good GM could surprise us all and land a plum FA.

I agree that Washington could and should easily be at least a 2nd tier city when it comes to attracting the top FAs. I've said the same thing numerous times. The problem, as you point out, is the Zards lack of oncourt success.

I believe that the DMV is as much, or more, of a bball region as it is a football region. And, as the region trends younger, bball will continue to outgrow football in popularity.

However, if you want to sell potential FA's on DC, forget taking them to see the Cherry Blossoms, let them hang out in DC during Howard University's Homecoming. That's the best selling point for the young, mostly African-American men you're trying to attract to DC and the Zards.

[montestewart]

In the superstar age of exposure, with NY and LA as the top tier metropolises, Washington should be able to compete in the 2nd tier of metropolises, maybe not at the top, but considering the population, media concentration, and international exposure, Washington should do better with FAs. Even a frequent knock against it, "a city of transients," is only partially true and ignores the fact of its rapid expansion and the less localized nature of Washington sports fanbases potentially contributing to a more national or international profile for a player.

What Washington lacks is a recent history of sustained success on the court or in the front office. Do a better job finding value in trades, FAs, and the draft, build the team into an authentic contender, even a marginal contender, and do so in a way that will allow the roster, top to bottom, to continue to evolve, start selling the joys of DC right around the Cherry Blossom Festival, and have some Caps or Nationals make pitches. I'll bet a good GM could surprise us all and land a plum FA.

I agree that Washington could and should easily be at least a 2nd tier city when it comes to attracting the top FAs. I've said the same thing numerous times. The problem, as you point out, is the Zards lack of oncourt success.

I believe that the DMV is as much, or more, of a bball region as it is a football region. And, as the region trends younger, bball will continue to outgrow football in popularity.

However, if you want to sell potential FA's on DC, forget taking them so see the Cherry Blossoms, let them hang out in DC during Howard University's Homecoming. That's the best selling point for the young, mostly African-American men you're trying to attract to DC and the Zards.

Yeah, I threw Cherry Blossoms out at random. I know I never go down there to see them, and I've lived here all my life.