2019 NBA draft

[threrf23]

Cam Johnson doesn't play in the paint though..he's literally listed as a guard and even though he's got great length at 6'9 he's been a 2-3 at UNC. UNC also has a top 3 rebounder in all of college basketball in Luke Maye.

He's also a smart kid, (2 time All-Academic ACC team, graduated from PITT in 3 years) and has a high basketball IQ.

His ceiling is limited but Cam is legit. Focusing on his rebounding numbers when that wasn't his job is stupid, especially when you choose to ignore he was a 50/45/82 guy.

It's also hard to ignore that he is already 23.

I wasn't referring specifically to his years at UNC; he averaged less than 6 rebounds per 40 in his three years at Pitt.

You simply will not find many perimeter players of his height who averaged as few rebounds per 40, even as a freshman in college, and went on to have a solid NBA career. Rodney Hood might be a best case example.

[bucknersrevenge]

Cam Johnson doesn't play in the paint though..he's literally listed as a guard and even though he's got great length at 6'9 he's been a 2-3 at UNC. UNC also has a top 3 rebounder in all of college basketball in Luke Maye.

He's also a smart kid, (2 time All-Academic ACC team, graduated from PITT in 3 years) and has a high basketball IQ.

His ceiling is limited but Cam is legit. Focusing on his rebounding numbers when that wasn't his job is stupid, especially when you choose to ignore he was a 50/45/82 guy.

It's also hard to ignore that he is already 23.

I wasn't referring specifically to his years at UNC; he averaged less than 6 rebounds per 40 in his three years at Pitt.

You simply will not find many perimeter players of his height who averaged as few rebounds per 40, even as a freshman in college, and went on to have a solid NBA career. Rodney Hood might be a best case example.

With guys like him, it's gonna depend on fit. But shooting is a skill that is at a premium in the league right now. I don't think we're looking at a starter in the NBA. But we could be looking at a solid career as a backup if he finds the right fit with the right minutes. I don't think anyone will be getting him with the expectation that he needs to rebound a bunch. Come off the bench. Play the wing. Camp out on the perimeter and shoot the ball when you get a kickout. Focusing on his worst skill seems like an inefficient use of time.

[TheOGJabroni]

Curious question here. I was on Tankathon's website and did a couple sims with their lottery generator and I landed on a Boston #4 pick and NY #1 pick & it really made me think; what would you rather have happen:

Celtics with the #14 pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario) & the Knicks with the 5th pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario for NY & limits their assets in a potential deal with NO for Davis)

or

Celtics with the #2-#4 pick (best case, but least plausible scenario) & the Knicks with 1st pick (best case scenario for NY & opens up potential deals with NO for Davis, while still having cap space to outright sign Kyrie)

Obviously if we land a top pick it helps our odds in a Davis deal as well, but from most accounts, it's a large drop off between Zion & the next guy in the draft. Thoughts?

[sportfan6197]

Cam Johnson doesn't play in the paint though..he's literally listed as a guard and even though he's got great length at 6'9 he's been a 2-3 at UNC. UNC also has a top 3 rebounder in all of college basketball in Luke Maye.

He's also a smart kid, (2 time All-Academic ACC team, graduated from PITT in 3 years) and has a high basketball IQ.

His ceiling is limited but Cam is legit. Focusing on his rebounding numbers when that wasn't his job is stupid, especially when you choose to ignore he was a 50/45/82 guy.

It's also hard to ignore that he is already 23.

I wasn't referring specifically to his years at UNC; he averaged less than 6 rebounds per 40 in his three years at Pitt.

You simply will not find many perimeter players of his height who averaged as few rebounds per 40, even as a freshman in college, and went on to have a solid NBA career. Rodney Hood might be a best case example.

Joe Johnson, Trevor Ariza had similar numbers to his rebounds per 40 at UNC

[threrf23]

Joe Johnson, Trevor Ariza had similar numbers to his rebounds per 40 at UNC

Ariza posted 8.2 rebounds per 40 as a 18 y/o freshman. Joe Johnson posted 7.2 as a 18 y/o freshman and 8.8 as a sophomore. But you do have a valid point.

[jfs1000d]

I know it's a long shot, but I wouldn't mind Barett slipping down to 4-5 if it's ever possible. I think people are sleeping on him cause Zion and the fact Morant has been pretty good, too. I think Barrett has a legit opportunity to be best player in this draft. Great length, think he will be a SG, he can pass, shoot, attack the basket, etc. Interesting to me if we can get into the top 5-8 of this draft. I think it's possible and if we don't trade for Davis I feel like Danny will either package all the picks to move up or just maybe trade 2 for 1 in next year's draft?

Barrett has also too many question marks to trade up for him. He is playing along the greatest college player ever and is attempting 5 FGA more than him. His playing style is of an alpha dog, he will require to be the man. But his game is not of a superstar, and therefore you will mostly end up, in the best situation as a treadmill team.

His shooting is bad, the defense horrendous, his passing is overrated, doesn't have a quick first step, the handle is loose and high, doesn't have quick/twich moving hips, looks akward attaching the basket in half court sets, his finishing right now relies on overpowering defenders and half of his layups won't fly in the NBA.

Again, and I am not going to bet against him because he has the mamba mentality. But I'd prefer other teams to take a chance on him. Best case I think he becomes a superstar in the mold of Westbrook (not in terms of playing style, but rather impact). Though a D.Booker path is one I'd feel more confident projecting (put up box score numbers, never efficient and never translating to winning).

As I've said before I have him up there because of a combination of mock projection and that if I was a GM I'd draft him based solely on trade value.

i dont like barrett, but i also must warn against advanced metrics in college hoops too much.


College hoops is fun, but it isnt a great developmental tool. practice is limited and the players have other responsibilities. College coaches also try and limit mistakes and play system basketball.

Like, Duke has a motion offense. That's dumb with the specific talent they have this year.

[TA42]

Curious question here. I was on Tankathon's website and did a couple sims with their lottery generator and I landed on a Boston #4 pick and NY #1 pick & it really made me think; what would you rather have happen:

Celtics with the #14 pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario) & the Knicks with the 5th pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario for NY & limits their assets in a potential deal with NO for Davis)

or

Celtics with the #2-#4 pick (best case, but least plausible scenario) & the Knicks with 1st pick (best case scenario for NY & opens up potential deals with NO for Davis, while still having cap space to outright sign Kyrie)

Obviously if we land a top pick it helps our odds in a Davis deal as well, but from most accounts, it's a large drop off between Zion & the next guy in the draft. Thoughts?

I think you root for the second scenerio as it plays out the best for us. Yes Knicks could swoop in with that top pick and trade it to New Orleans but if that happens we have the 4th pick and are most likely going young. Tatum / Jaylen and that 4th pick could be a nice foundation.

Maybe Knicks change their mind if they feel they can't get Kyrie and KD and keep Zion and add some other pieces. The then bow out of the AD race which means maybe we somehow don't have to include Tatum if that pick is #4. Who knows.

[jfs1000d]

Soany updated projections on Memphis pick? If they win 2 more games.

Do we want it? I'd just as soon let it ride.

I wonder if Memphis would try and give us the 8th pick this year and keep next year's pick. Just a thought.

[FlatearthZorro]

Soany updated projections on Memphis pick? If they win 2 more games.

Do we want it? I'd just as soon let it ride.

I wonder if Memphis would try and give us the 8th pick this year and keep next year's pick. Just a thought.

prefer it next year, I doubt they keep Conley past this season, they will look to go young next one, so it'd definitely be better Unless of course we're looking at some and trading into the top 3-5(#8, #12 or #13 from Sac) for say 4 or 5 is possible imo.

[FlatearthZorro]

Curious question here. I was on Tankathon's website and did a couple sims with their lottery generator and I landed on a Boston #4 pick and NY #1 pick & it really made me think; what would you rather have happen:

Celtics with the #14 pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario) & the Knicks with the 5th pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario for NY & limits their assets in a potential deal with NO for Davis)

or

Celtics with the #2-#4 pick (best case, but least plausible scenario) & the Knicks with 1st pick (best case scenario for NY & opens up potential deals with NO for Davis, while still having cap space to outright sign Kyrie)

Obviously if we land a top pick it helps our odds in a Davis deal as well, but from most accounts, it's a large drop off between Zion & the next guy in the draft. Thoughts?

Draft doesn't seem to be too great. Hope we're picking for NOP, tbh... And hope Danny and Kyrie can figure out if he stays or goes before the draft so the FO knows what to do with the picks.

[reload141]

Soany updated projections on Memphis pick? If they win 2 more games.

Do we want it? I'd just as soon let it ride.

I wonder if Memphis would try and give us the 8th pick this year and keep next year's pick. Just a thought.

They are on record as wanting to give up this years pick to us and not have it carry over... so they are trying to convey it.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I havent done any work on the draft this year, strictly early scouting. I miss draft work.

Youre not missing much— this draft sucks.

Highschool basketball has been lit for the most part, monotonous at times but very interesting and there's a lot of players who just get overlooked

[sam_I_am]

I know it's a long shot, but I wouldn't mind Barett slipping down to 4-5 if it's ever possible. I think people are sleeping on him cause Zion and the fact Morant has been pretty good, too. I think Barrett has a legit opportunity to be best player in this draft. Great length, think he will be a SG, he can pass, shoot, attack the basket, etc. Interesting to me if we can get into the top 5-8 of this draft. I think it's possible and if we don't trade for Davis I feel like Danny will either package all the picks to move up or just maybe trade 2 for 1 in next year's draft?

Barrett has also too many question marks to trade up for him. He is playing along the greatest college player ever and is attempting 5 FGA more than him. His playing style is of an alpha dog, he will require to be the man. But his game is not of a superstar, and therefore you will mostly end up, in the best situation as a treadmill team.

His shooting is bad, the defense horrendous, his passing is overrated, doesn't have a quick first step, the handle is loose and high, doesn't have quick/twich moving hips, looks akward attaching the basket in half court sets, his finishing right now relies on overpowering defenders and half of his layups won't fly in the NBA.

Again, and I am not going to bet against him because he has the mamba mentality. But I'd prefer other teams to take a chance on him. Best case I think he becomes a superstar in the mold of Westbrook (not in terms of playing style, but rather impact). Though a D.Booker path is one I'd feel more confident projecting (put up box score numbers, never efficient and never translating to winning).

As I've said before I have him up there because of a combination of mock projection and that if I was a GM I'd draft him based solely on trade value.

i dont like barrett, but i also must warn against advanced metrics in college hoops too much.


College hoops is fun, but it isnt a great developmental tool. practice is limited and the players have other responsibilities. College coaches also try and limit mistakes and play system basketball.

Like, Duke has a motion offense. That's dumb with the specific talent they have this year.

I think Barrett and Reddish are still top NBA prospects in this draft. The problem with Duke was that their big 3 all needed the ball to be effective and none of them were great catch and shoot off the ball so they didn’t make it easier for each other. Reddish is a decent shooter and his size for a shooter is so excellent he will be an asset to just about every team. I’m not saying he is a star but he will be a physical presence at NBA level. I think Barret is as you say - a guy who will be star of middling team - but I do think he has the talent to be that guy in NBA which is no joke. He will have decent trade value after a couple of years in NBA.

[winsomme2]

Anybody looking at Dylan Windler?

Seems like a sniper with solid skills. A senior might be a question for some teams but for the Cs might mean he could step in and play right away.

Thoughts?

[jfs1000d]

Barrett has also too many question marks to trade up for him. He is playing along the greatest college player ever and is attempting 5 FGA more than him. His playing style is of an alpha dog, he will require to be the man. But his game is not of a superstar, and therefore you will mostly end up, in the best situation as a treadmill team.

His shooting is bad, the defense horrendous, his passing is overrated, doesn't have a quick first step, the handle is loose and high, doesn't have quick/twich moving hips, looks akward attaching the basket in half court sets, his finishing right now relies on overpowering defenders and half of his layups won't fly in the NBA.

Again, and I am not going to bet against him because he has the mamba mentality. But I'd prefer other teams to take a chance on him. Best case I think he becomes a superstar in the mold of Westbrook (not in terms of playing style, but rather impact). Though a D.Booker path is one I'd feel more confident projecting (put up box score numbers, never efficient and never translating to winning).

As I've said before I have him up there because of a combination of mock projection and that if I was a GM I'd draft him based solely on trade value.

i dont like barrett, but i also must warn against advanced metrics in college hoops too much.


College hoops is fun, but it isnt a great developmental tool. practice is limited and the players have other responsibilities. College coaches also try and limit mistakes and play system basketball.
anything out of Reddish that scremned goo
Like, Duke has a motion offense. That's dumb with the specific talent they have this year.

I think Barrett and Reddish are still top NBA prospects in this draft. The problem with Duke was that their big 3 all needed the ball to be effective and none of them were great catch and shoot off the ball so they didn’t make it easier for each other. Reddish is a decent shooter and his size for a shooter is so excellent he will be an asset to just about every team. I’m not saying he is a star but he will be a physical presence at NBA level. I think Barret is as you say - a guy who will be star of middling team - but I do think he has the talent to be that guy in NBA which is no joke. He will have decent trade value after a couple of years in NBA.

I didn't see anything out of reddish that screamed good nba player. I remember the Harrison brothers were top 10 picks out of high school. By the time they left for Kentucky, they were second round and undrafted. High school rankings are flawed. You usually find the top players in there, but also a lot of bums who got there for reasons that had nothing to do with nba potential.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I am fearing that Ainge will take the Smart like player in Little and bypass the Nurkis/Jokic type in Goga, who seems to be moving up in the charts... Because this is Ainge's MO... Not that Little won't be a good player... He should do better in the Pros than College, but you can't go wrong with a CHL pick.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

And who's more of an Ainge guy than Coby White? A combo guard, though he can shoot, so a few demerits for that, but if you're going to replace Kyrie, why not a younger, cheaper, healthier version? He's not as good as Kyrie, but if you factor in salary, health, non derisiveness, age
... A quality replacement.

[shi-woo]

I think it's better to get the pick next year, but if the opportunity to draft a player like Garland is there than I would love to have a mid lotto pick in this draft.

I think with the confusion of Kyrie, getting a solid guard would be great. I can easily see on of the top pgs falling to 9 or 10.



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[Bleeding Green]

Curious question here. I was on Tankathon's website and did a couple sims with their lottery generator and I landed on a Boston #4 pick and NY #1 pick & it really made me think; what would you rather have happen:

Celtics with the #14 pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario) & the Knicks with the 5th pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario for NY & limits their assets in a potential deal with NO for Davis)

or

Celtics with the #2-#4 pick (best case, but least plausible scenario) & the Knicks with 1st pick (best case scenario for NY & opens up potential deals with NO for Davis, while still having cap space to outright sign Kyrie)

Obviously if we land a top pick it helps our odds in a Davis deal as well, but from most accounts, it's a large drop off between Zion & the next guy in the draft. Thoughts?

I'll take the second pick and it's not close. I don't think Zion has any sway on established players going to New York; they're either going there or they aren't and some 19 year old doesn't matter.

[TheOGJabroni]

Curious question here. I was on Tankathon's website and did a couple sims with their lottery generator and I landed on a Boston #4 pick and NY #1 pick & it really made me think; what would you rather have happen:

Celtics with the #14 pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario) & the Knicks with the 5th pick (worst case, but most plausible scenario for NY & limits their assets in a potential deal with NO for Davis)

or

Celtics with the #2-#4 pick (best case, but least plausible scenario) & the Knicks with 1st pick (best case scenario for NY & opens up potential deals with NO for Davis, while still having cap space to outright sign Kyrie)

Obviously if we land a top pick it helps our odds in a Davis deal as well, but from most accounts, it's a large drop off between Zion & the next guy in the draft. Thoughts?

I'll take the second pick and it's not close. I don't think Zion has any sway on established players going to New York; they're either going there or they aren't and some 19 year old doesn't matter.

It's not Zion that has any sway on established players going to NY though. My theoretical was more based on NY trading the pick for AD, who could certainly sway some guys.