Cameron Reddish

[Duke4life831]

I would love to hear an argument for why he should even be a 1st round pick. Is size and inconsistent good shooting form enough now to get drafted in the 1st round?

Cam over the last 10 games:
13/4/1.5 on 32/27/71 shooting splits. He also has more than twice the amount of turnovers than assists in that time.

Also his impact on the defensive end has slipped. He isn't getting out on passing lanes anymore like he used to. He hasn't been bad defensively, just not the impact defender he was before.

I definitely wouldn't want my team taking him in the lottery. End of the 1st...maybe. But he has been very bad for a very long time. His main appeal...being an initiator is non-existent. His shooting has been bad. So 3&D without the 3 and limited D. So basically you will be drafting a guy who looks like he can play but doesn't produce on any level.

Ill push back on the limited D part. He has been pretty much a lock down defender for Duke all year. His defense has been pretty consistent all year, even with the slip in his steals. But ya, I can see a team in the 20s taking him and waiting a couple years on him to see if he can improve. But no way can I feel comfortable with taking him in the lotto.

[doordoor123]

I would love to hear an argument for why he should even be a 1st round pick. Is size and inconsistent good shooting form enough now to get drafted in the 1st round?

Cam over the last 10 games:
13/4/1.5 on 32/27/71 shooting splits. He also has more than twice the amount of turnovers than assists in that time.

Also his impact on the defensive end has slipped. He isn't getting out on passing lanes anymore like he used to. He hasn't been bad defensively, just not the impact defender he was before.

I definitely wouldn't want my team taking him in the lottery. End of the 1st...maybe. But he has been very bad for a very long time. His main appeal...being an initiator is non-existent. His shooting has been bad. So 3&D without the 3 and limited D. So basically you will be drafting a guy who looks like he can play but doesn't produce on any level.

Ill push back on the limited D part. He has been pretty much a lock down defender for Duke all year. His defense has been pretty consistent all year, even with the slip in his steals. But ya, I can see a team in the 20s taking him and waiting a couple years on him to see if he can improve. But no way can I feel comfortable with taking him in the lotto.

If he’s taken in the lottery he’s kind of like the Thon Maker type of pick. Hyped in high school, great size and ideally he has a ton of upside. Gamble in the lottery, but Reddish probably has more of a role in the NBA.

[Dr Positivity]

I would only take this big of a project high if he has freakish athleticism/physical tools. A player who sucked in college while not even being a super talent is the easiest bust call you can make. Said the same thing about Knox last year

Agreed. If he had TMac athleticism, in this draft I wouldn't mind my team taking him in the top 5. But that's not the case, he has good speed up and down the court, but is way below average when it comes to explosion. And that explosion should be a massive red flag with how bad he has been trying to score attacking the basket in college.

It’s weird, I’m not totally convinced he’s not explosive. I’ve seen flashes where he looks really explosive driving to the basket. I think it’s more that he doesn’t have a strong handle and is afraid to drive to the basket most of the time. I’m having such a hard time with Barrett and Little because they have these tiny flashes and they’re both good defenders with good size too. There must be a reason for both of these to do what they’re doing. Maybe they’re staying another year or trying to tank their draft value to go to a team they want to go to. It’s just so bizarre for two highly recruited players to take a back seat all year and have really weird lapses playing. It smells fishy because I’m not totally convinced either of them are playing the basketball they’re able to play.

I think he is definitely athletic and has some appealing traits eye test wise, but if someone's going to own the corner of "Yea his numbers suck but his upside is through the roof" I would want them to be like the most eye popping athlete in the draft like Zach LaVine instead of basically having some Harrison Barnes-isms.

[doordoor123]

Agreed. If he had TMac athleticism, in this draft I wouldn't mind my team taking him in the top 5. But that's not the case, he has good speed up and down the court, but is way below average when it comes to explosion. And that explosion should be a massive red flag with how bad he has been trying to score attacking the basket in college.

It’s weird, I’m not totally convinced he’s not explosive. I’ve seen flashes where he looks really explosive driving to the basket. I think it’s more that he doesn’t have a strong handle and is afraid to drive to the basket most of the time. I’m having such a hard time with Barrett and Little because they have these tiny flashes and they’re both good defenders with good size too. There must be a reason for both of these to do what they’re doing. Maybe they’re staying another year or trying to tank their draft value to go to a team they want to go to. It’s just so bizarre for two highly recruited players to take a back seat all year and have really weird lapses playing. It smells fishy because I’m not totally convinced either of them are playing the basketball they’re able to play.

I think he is definitely athletic and has some appealing traits eye test wise, but if someone's going to own the corner of "Yea his numbers suck but his upside is through the roof" I would want them to be like the most eye popping athlete in the draft like Zach LaVine instead of basically having some Harrison Barnes-isms.

I think the difference was LaVine had confidence, Reddish looks like he has none, but I wouldn’t say his ability isn’t eye-popping. We’re talking about a 19 year old 6’8 shooting guard who can pull up, shoot over guys and defend well. These kind of profiles often lead to success, even if he doesn’t look good in college.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I wonder what Cam would look like at a school where all the load is on his shoulders. Duke affords him the luxury of sucking and them still winning.

[mattg]

I just don't think Cam has it mentally to be an all-star caliber player. He concerned me before the season with some comments he made and the vibe I get is that he's just not a smart basketball player. Like his understanding of the game isn't great and he's slow to process what is happening on the court.

Reminds me of a worse version of Rudy Gay.

[EvanZ]

I think the people who like Cam should just switch over to Okeke. He'll disappoint you less.

[kobyz]

Chandler Parsons with a little Nicolas Batum

[Roddy B for 3]

I've had him bottom first round just because of production. I haven't had a chance to look at my phone to scout him. But I did look at his box scores against teams who look like minor league NBA teams (top ranked college teams usually) and he had some impressive games. Maybe his stats are bad due to playing down to compition. If big lights are all that is needed a top pick is good to use on him. If it's something different, like pot smoking, then the team that drafts him is in trouble.

My immediate assumption after hearing people say he is extremely dissapointing is he is a headache to deal with. So I had him bottom of first round. Seeing his game by game stats makes me think he plays to compition level. Have stats as big as his have been against A level compition but, bad stats against a F level compition is much easier to deal with the the inverse. I had thought he was averaging all D's so now I see A's thrown in against great teams.

[Stillwater]

I've had him bottom first round just because of production. I haven't had a chance to look at my phone to scout him. But I did look at his box scores against teams who look like minor league NBA teams (top ranked college teams usually) and he had some impressive games. Maybe his stats are bad due to playing down to compition. If big lights are all that is needed a top pick is good to use on him. If it's something different, like pot smoking, then the team that drafts him is in trouble.

My immediate assumption after hearing people say he is extremely dissapointing is he is a headache to deal with. So I had him bottom of first round. Seeing his game by game stats makes me think he plays to compition level. Have stats as big as his have been against A level compition but, bad stats against a F level compition is much easier to deal with the the inverse. I had thought he was averaging all D's so now I see A's thrown in against great teams.

Showing some flashes at this point when nobody is paying him much mind esp good teams that are well coached doesn't tell me anything positive about him. If you're suggest his drive to compete is only sparked in certain games...why isn't going at minimum a DD in the tournament? He can't and he's not even defended by opposition best defender.
He sucks ass

[bleedblue3303]

Question for everyone. I am far form a NCAA expert. Had some questions about Cam Reddish. Was wondering is it possible on a team with Zion and RJ who were also closest of friends and so extremely ball dominant. It forced he to take fast shots when he had the ball because he knew he wouldn't get it back often? just seem weird a guy touted so well for his shooting was so inconsistent this year.
Or am I reading too much into this and Cam is just straight Dookie as a ball player and will bust in the NBA.

[clyde21]

possible...but that also speaks to his mental make up a bit if he was afraid to fail. maybe his knee issues played a factor as well but it's hard to say at this point.

[doordoor123]

Does it matter that he didn’t have a good freshman season? Does it matter that any freshman doesn’t have a good freshman season? When drafting a player you don’t draft them for their freshman season, you draft them for their years after. Sure it’s hard to project a lot of guys who don’t have a good year, but then it becomes about who they are as a person, if they have a good work ethic and if they can evolve their game. Reddish has been watched since he was like in 9th grade, there are actually people here who posted about him 4 years ago. So we know the kind of player he is, do we trust he can develop? I say yes and it’s hard for me to say otherwise. Who was watching Jarrett Culver his freshman year? What about Jimmy Butler? Do you see what I’m saying? What matters isn’t what he is, it’s what he can become. So I think we’re jumping the gun by **** on him or any other freshman. Sure, most freshman have physical limitations and just have a lot of skill to learn, but Reddish isn’t one of those guys. He moves well around the floor, has a jumper that should work, has flashes of skill you can’t just pick up, like shooting in rhythm and pulling up in transition. So for me, I’m going to believe he’s still a top pick.

[Ruzious]

I'm not sure I've heard more excuses for a college freshman - mostl because he had to "overcome" being a teammate of 2 of the best players in college basketball. A smart player would have used that to his advantage at least as far as being an efficient player. He didn't. He also didn't rebound - which is disapointing for a player with his combo of his size and athleticism.

[doordoor123]

I'm not sure I've heard more excuses for a college freshman - mostl because he had to "overcome" being a teammate of 2 of the best players in college basketball. A smart player would have used that to his advantage at least as far as being an efficient player. He didn't. He also didn't rebound - which is disapointing for a player with his combo of his size and athleticism.

That’s a good point, he lacked effort on offense. Didn’t even move around off-ball. Pretty much stood in the corner or the top of the key. Maybe it’s Ben Simmons syndrome, where he just didn’t care about college basketball. But that’s a lot of basketball to not care about. It’s a pretty weird situation that hopefully we get answers to during the draft process.

[Stillwater]

I'm not sure I've heard more excuses for a college freshman - mostl because he had to "overcome" being a teammate of 2 of the best players in college basketball. A smart player would have used that to his advantage at least as far as being an efficient player. He didn't. He also didn't rebound - which is disapointing for a player with his combo of his size and athleticism.

That’s a good point, he lacked effort on offense. Didn’t even move around off-ball. Pretty much stood in the corner or the top of the key. Maybe it’s Ben Simmons syndrome, where he just didn’t care about college basketball. But that’s a lot of basketball to not care about. It’s a pretty weird situation that hopefully we get answers to during the draft process.

When a player of his skill level coming into the college season fails miserably to remain effective and engaged at the college level
it tells me more about the players mindset than about anything else.
I would not draft someone like that,whose impact is so minimal in college that in the case that I myself had never heard of him or scouted him before college would not even notice him on the floor.
He was flat out terrible in college, not just a little bit less than expected or somewhat...no instead a flat out disaster with bust written all over him.
That being said it could somehow be a combination of excuses and had nothing to do with his mental fortitude but simply that he was never as skilled without the ball in his hands as people expected and despite the knowledge he was great with the ball in his hands in HS failed on almost every drive to the basket or attempt to create when he had the damn ball in his hands at Duke.
You can keep thinking he is still a high caliber prospect , and there is a long shot chance he was just disengaged and will be decent at the next level, but I still wouldn't draft him because that fits the profile of someone who's mind is somewhere besides the love of the game and the last type of guy I want in my locker room.

[Ruzious]

I'm not sure I've heard more excuses for a college freshman - mostl because he had to "overcome" being a teammate of 2 of the best players in college basketball. A smart player would have used that to his advantage at least as far as being an efficient player. He didn't. He also didn't rebound - which is disapointing for a player with his combo of his size and athleticism.

That’s a good point, he lacked effort on offense. Didn’t even move around off-ball. Pretty much stood in the corner or the top of the key. Maybe it’s Ben Simmons syndrome, where he just didn’t care about college basketball. But that’s a lot of basketball to not care about. It’s a pretty weird situation that hopefully we get answers to during the draft process.

When a player of his skill level coming into the college season fails miserably to remain effective and engaged at the college level
it tells me more about the players mindset than about anything else.
I would not draft someone like that,whose impact is so minimal in college that in the case that I myself had never heard of him or scouted him before college would not even notice him on the floor.
He was flat out terrible in college, not just a little bit less than expected or somewhat...no instead a flat out disaster with bust written all over him.
That being said it could somehow be a combination of excuses and had nothing to do with his mental fortitude but simply that he was never as skilled without the ball in his hands as people expected and despite the knowledge he was great with the ball in his hands in HS failed on almost every drive to the basket or attempt to create when he had the damn ball in his hands at Duke.
You can keep thinking he is still a high caliber prospect , and there is a long shot chance he was just disengaged and will be decent at the next level, but I still wouldn't draft him because that fits the profile of someone who's mind is somewhere besides the love of the game and the last type of guy I want in my locker room.

Yeah, I'm thinking maybe he's a player you re-evaluate and perhaps target on his second NBA contract - especially if you need an Aminu type forward.

[Skin]

The best thing going for him in that this is a crappy draft class.

[doordoor123]

I'm not sure I've heard more excuses for a college freshman - mostl because he had to "overcome" being a teammate of 2 of the best players in college basketball. A smart player would have used that to his advantage at least as far as being an efficient player. He didn't. He also didn't rebound - which is disapointing for a player with his combo of his size and athleticism.

That’s a good point, he lacked effort on offense. Didn’t even move around off-ball. Pretty much stood in the corner or the top of the key. Maybe it’s Ben Simmons syndrome, where he just didn’t care about college basketball. But that’s a lot of basketball to not care about. It’s a pretty weird situation that hopefully we get answers to during the draft process.

When a player of his skill level coming into the college season fails miserably to remain effective and engaged at the college level
it tells me more about the players mindset than about anything else.
I would not draft someone like that,whose impact is so minimal in college that in the case that I myself had never heard of him or scouted him before college would not even notice him on the floor.
He was flat out terrible in college, not just a little bit less than expected or somewhat...no instead a flat out disaster with bust written all over him.
That being said it could somehow be a combination of excuses and had nothing to do with his mental fortitude but simply that he was never as skilled without the ball in his hands as people expected and despite the knowledge he was great with the ball in his hands in HS failed on almost every drive to the basket or attempt to create when he had the damn ball in his hands at Duke.
You can keep thinking he is still a high caliber prospect , and there is a long shot chance he was just disengaged and will be decent at the next level, but I still wouldn't draft him because that fits the profile of someone who's mind is somewhere besides the love of the game and the last type of guy I want in my locker room.

Well there are a number of things that can factor in here, he’s only 18. When I was that age I went through two years where I didn’t watch basketball at all, it was after the Shaun Livingston injury. I felt like I lost all hope in basketball. What I’m saying is that we don’t know what’s going on in his life, but it 100% can be something mental. Maybe he’s having a hard time taking classes in college while also focusing on basketball. Maybe he had a close friend die in the past year and just hasn’t been himself. Maybe he also got the yips. I’m just saying we don’t know what we don’t know and what we don’t know could be more valuable than what we do know. You can’t blame a kid who is 18 for not understanding the right way to play when your brain isn’t even fully developed till you’re 23-25. Anyway when I got back into basketball, I got back into it because I realized that I loved it too much to let one thing stop me from watching/playing. But it took me time and like any 18 year old, it takes time to figure out what’s important to them.

[Stillwater]

That’s a good point, he lacked effort on offense. Didn’t even move around off-ball. Pretty much stood in the corner or the top of the key. Maybe it’s Ben Simmons syndrome, where he just didn’t care about college basketball. But that’s a lot of basketball to not care about. It’s a pretty weird situation that hopefully we get answers to during the draft process.

When a player of his skill level coming into the college season fails miserably to remain effective and engaged at the college level
it tells me more about the players mindset than about anything else.
I would not draft someone like that,whose impact is so minimal in college that in the case that I myself had never heard of him or scouted him before college would not even notice him on the floor.
He was flat out terrible in college, not just a little bit less than expected or somewhat...no instead a flat out disaster with bust written all over him.
That being said it could somehow be a combination of excuses and had nothing to do with his mental fortitude but simply that he was never as skilled without the ball in his hands as people expected and despite the knowledge he was great with the ball in his hands in HS failed on almost every drive to the basket or attempt to create when he had the damn ball in his hands at Duke.
You can keep thinking he is still a high caliber prospect , and there is a long shot chance he was just disengaged and will be decent at the next level, but I still wouldn't draft him because that fits the profile of someone who's mind is somewhere besides the love of the game and the last type of guy I want in my locker room.

Well there are a number of things that can factor in here, he’s only 18. When I was that age I went through two years where I didn’t watch basketball at all, it was after the Shaun Livingston injury. I felt like I lost all hope in basketball. What I’m saying is that we don’t know what’s going on in his life, but it 100% can be something mental. Maybe he’s having a hard time taking classes in college while also focusing on basketball. Maybe he had a close friend die in the past year and just hasn’t been himself. Maybe he also got the yips. I’m just saying we don’t know what we don’t know and what we don’t know could be more valuable than what we do know. You can’t blame a kid who is 18 for not understanding the right way to play when your brain isn’t even fully developed till you’re 23-25. Anyway when I got back into basketball, I got back into it because I realized that I loved it too much to let one thing stop me from watching/playing. But it took me time and like any 18 year old, it takes time to figure out what’s important to them.

Yeah maybe I'm being too hard on him...but I still wouldn't waste a pick in the top 10 on him unless I knew exactly what the problem was, if it was easily repairable , and I would have to not only believe him, I'd need to have people with no vested interest in his draft position check his story before I decided to rub or hire.