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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2221 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Apr 2, 2019 9:38 pm

jayu70 wrote:
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jayu70 wrote:Is he anything like Stanley Johnson? I hope not.



Ugh

That seems like a fair comparison.

(But 6 months ago we were mentioning him as having the potential of Kawhi-Lite. I'd take that gamble with a pick in the teens.)

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Those minuses - :-? .
Certain things are coachable/fixable etc. but some of these I just don't like.




The thing with him is he's semi young for a freshmen and was a late bloomer in high school. When you add his work ethic, physical tools, alpha like mentality, and the upside he possesses, he will be in consideration for spots 4-7 come June.

As is, no he's not the best fit. But you have to consider the player development of Pierce, and if TS sees something in him similar to what he saw in Trae to pass on the phenom Luka. Not sponsoring Little per se, but picks 4 and out are no man's land and you have to turn every stone in this draft.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2222 » by Hazer » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:28 am

Eeeerrrbody fussing about Zion, Cam, and Culver’s shooting, just look what Jent (“Not our shooting coach”~Dr. Not-So-Feel-Good) has done for Dedmon, Len, and Collins’ 3-pt shots :o
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2223 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 3, 2019 1:41 am

Hazer wrote:Eeeerrrbody fussing about Zion, Cam, and Culver’s shooting, just look what Jent (not our shooting coach according to Dr. Not-So-Feel-Good) has done for Dedmon, Len, and Collins’ 3-pt shots :o

Bazemore, Bembry, and Anderson still can't shoot outside of spurts.

Cam is a going to be a great 3 point shooter. The other two tho :o Ya'll playing the long game with those two.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2224 » by Hazer » Wed Apr 3, 2019 3:34 am

King Ken wrote:
Hazer wrote:Eeeerrrbody fussing about Zion, Cam, and Culver’s shooting, just look what Jent (not our shooting coach according to Dr. Not-So-Feel-Good) has done for Dedmon, Len, and Collins’ 3-pt shots :o

Bazemore, Bembry, and Anderson still can't shoot outside of spurts.

Cam is a going to be a great 3 point shooter. The other two tho :o Ya'll playing the long game with those two.

Dedmon had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .382
Len had a college 3pt% of .111, after Jent .341
Collins had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .358

Jent WILL make either of Zion, Cam, or Culver 35+% 3pt shooters.
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Post#2225 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 3, 2019 3:41 am

Hazer wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Hazer wrote:Eeeerrrbody fussing about Zion, Cam, and Culver’s shooting, just look what Jent (not our shooting coach according to Dr. Not-So-Feel-Good) has done for Dedmon, Len, and Collins’ 3-pt shots :o

Bazemore, Bembry, and Anderson still can't shoot outside of spurts.

Cam is a going to be a great 3 point shooter. The other two tho :o Ya'll playing the long game with those two.

Dedmon had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .382
Len had a college 3pt% of .111, after Jent .341
Collins had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .358

Jent WILL make either of Zion, Cam, or Culver 35+% 3pt shooters.

Cam can easily do it. The other two. I have my doubts. Especially with Jarrett due to him lacking the dribble drive that Zion has. Jent is great but let's not act like Anderson, Baze and Bembry ain't on this roster.
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Post#2226 » by personanongrata » Wed Apr 3, 2019 3:50 am

Hazer wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Hazer wrote:Eeeerrrbody fussing about Zion, Cam, and Culver’s shooting, just look what Jent (not our shooting coach according to Dr. Not-So-Feel-Good) has done for Dedmon, Len, and Collins’ 3-pt shots :o

Bazemore, Bembry, and Anderson still can't shoot outside of spurts.

Cam is a going to be a great 3 point shooter. The other two tho :o Ya'll playing the long game with those two.

Dedmon had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .382
Len had a college 3pt% of .111, after Jent .341
Collins had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .358

Jent WILL make either of Zion, Cam, or Culver 35+% 3pt shooters.


Trae is not even a 35+% 3pt shooter.
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Post#2227 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 3, 2019 3:51 am

personanongrata wrote:
Hazer wrote:
King Ken wrote:Bazemore, Bembry, and Anderson still can't shoot outside of spurts.

Cam is a going to be a great 3 point shooter. The other two tho :o Ya'll playing the long game with those two.

Dedmon had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .382
Len had a college 3pt% of .111, after Jent .341
Collins had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .358

Jent WILL make either of Zion, Cam, or Culver 35+% 3pt shooters.


Trae is not even a 35+% 3pt shooter.

Trae is a volume shooter.
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Post#2228 » by Hazer » Wed Apr 3, 2019 3:54 am

King Ken wrote:
Hazer wrote:
King Ken wrote:Bazemore, Bembry, and Anderson still can't shoot outside of spurts.

Cam is a going to be a great 3 point shooter. The other two tho :o Ya'll playing the long game with those two.

Dedmon had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .382
Len had a college 3pt% of .111, after Jent .341
Collins had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .358

Jent WILL make either of Zion, Cam, or Culver 35+% 3pt shooters.

Cam can easily do it. The other two. I have my doubts. Especially with Jarrett due to him lacking the dribble drive that Zion has. Jent is great but let's not act like Anderson, Baze and Bembry ain't on this roster.

Bembry went from .312 in college to .367 last year under Jent. Yes, slipped this year, outlier. Compare the ages of Anderson and Baze to Zion/Cam/Culver. Set in their ways (looking at you Baze). Jent will be able to get to these “kids” and make them shooters.
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Post#2229 » by Hazer » Wed Apr 3, 2019 3:56 am

King Ken wrote:
personanongrata wrote:
Hazer wrote:Dedmon had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .382
Len had a college 3pt% of .111, after Jent .341
Collins had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .358

Jent WILL make either of Zion, Cam, or Culver 35+% 3pt shooters.


Trae is not even a 35+% 3pt shooter.

Trae is a volume shooter.

And over 35% since Jan 1st. When the rookie wall hits, amirite?
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Post#2230 » by Hazer » Wed Apr 3, 2019 4:02 am

personanongrata wrote:
Hazer wrote:
King Ken wrote:Bazemore, Bembry, and Anderson still can't shoot outside of spurts.

Cam is a going to be a great 3 point shooter. The other two tho :o Ya'll playing the long game with those two.

Dedmon had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .382
Len had a college 3pt% of .111, after Jent .341
Collins had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .358

Jent WILL make either of Zion, Cam, or Culver 35+% 3pt shooters.


Trae is not even a 35+% 3pt shooter.

Dedmon and Collins are, thanks Jent :wink:
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Post#2231 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Apr 3, 2019 11:48 am

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Jamaaliver wrote:I'm blaming Klutch Sports for leading their clients to unreasonable expectations.

If they're reppin a young prospect, I fully expect similar issues to rear their heads there too.



Where is the proof?


You don't want your team to have to deal with this nonsense with a young guy, especially a guy like Reddish with erratic, inconsistent play. Rich Paul will have him hunting for an overpriced, max contract on his post-rookie deal -- whether his production warrants it or not.


Suns GM calls out Eric Bledsoe and agent Rich Paul

Phoenix Suns general manager Ryan McDonough questioned the leadership of Eric Bledsoe and the advice Bledsoe is getting from his agent, Rich Paul, who also represents notable players such as LeBron James, John Wall and rookie Ben Simmons.

“I think, just my opinion, the shift comes from contractual demands made by his representatives,” McDonough said of Bledsoe's desire to move on, “and that’s what I was referring to when I said I think he got bad advice.”

Later in the interview, McDonough tripled down on his criticisms of Bledsoe’s representation: “[Eric’s] a talented player and a good player, but like I said, I think he’s just being a little bit misguided at the moment with some of the advice he’s getting.”

Whether or not McDonough’s comments end up hurting the Suns' chances of getting adequate value in return for a Bledsoe swap, he made it abundantly clear during the interview how he feels about Bledsoe and his agent.
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Post#2232 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Apr 3, 2019 11:49 am

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Post#2233 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:04 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:I'm blaming Klutch Sports for leading their clients to unreasonable expectations.

If they're reppin a young prospect, I fully expect similar issues to rear their heads there too.



Where is the proof?


You don't want your team to have to deal with this nonsense with a young guy, especially a guy like Reddish with erratic, inconsistent play. Rich Paul will have him hunting for an overpriced, max contract on his post-rookie deal -- whether his production warrants it or not.


Suns GM calls out Eric Bledsoe and agent Rich Paul

Phoenix Suns general manager Ryan McDonough questioned the leadership of Eric Bledsoe and the advice Bledsoe is getting from his agent, Rich Paul, who also represents notable players such as LeBron James, John Wall and rookie Ben Simmons.

“I think, just my opinion, the shift comes from contractual demands made by his representatives,” McDonough said of Bledsoe's desire to move on, “and that’s what I was referring to when I said I think he got bad advice.”

Later in the interview, McDonough tripled down on his criticisms of Bledsoe’s representation: “[Eric’s] a talented player and a good player, but like I said, I think he’s just being a little bit misguided at the moment with some of the advice he’s getting.”

Whether or not McDonough’s comments end up hurting the Suns' chances of getting adequate value in return for a Bledsoe swap, he made it abundantly clear during the interview how he feels about Bledsoe and his agent.
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The Suns been absolutely horrible since. Bledsoe was right and Rich Paul once again fought for his client. Your not being sensical. New Orleans and Phoenix by everyone standards is a ish show from top to bottom. Rich Paul fought for his clients when their teams didn't want to do the client justice.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2234 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:07 pm

Hazer wrote:
personanongrata wrote:
Hazer wrote:Dedmon had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .382
Len had a college 3pt% of .111, after Jent .341
Collins had a college 3pt% of 0.00, after Jent .358

Jent WILL make either of Zion, Cam, or Culver 35+% 3pt shooters.


Trae is not even a 35+% 3pt shooter.

Dedmon and Collins are, thanks Jent :wink:

I know what you are trying to do and no. Those two had good forms and Bembry, Anderson, and Bazemore are still the face of bad shooting forms and they still are bad shooters. Nothing has changed much at all. There is a reason none of them are close to starting long term

If I remember right you did this last year in a case for a prospect who we passed on.
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Post#2235 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:10 pm

King Ken wrote:The Suns been absolutely horrible since. Bledsoe was right and Rich Paul once again fought for his client. Your not being sensical.

Rich Paul fought for his clients when their teams didn't want to do the client justice.




But i don't care about Rich Paul's clients.

I care about the Atlanta Hawks...and I don't want them having to deal with this guy.




NOTE: Who actually defends sports agents? I've never heard any fan spout glowing remarks on Scott Boras, Drew Rosenhaus or the like? Why the hell would a fan of a sports team be siding with the agent over the team?
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Post#2236 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:15 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:The Suns been absolutely horrible since. Bledsoe was right and Rich Paul once again fought for his client. Your not being sensical.

Rich Paul fought for his clients when their teams didn't want to do the client justice.




But i don't care about Rich Paul's clients.

I care about the Atlanta Hawks...and I don't want them having to deal with this guy.




NOTE: Who actually defends sports agents? I've never heard any fan spout glowing remarks on Scott Boras, Drew Rosenhaus or the like? Why the hell would a fan of a sports team be siding with the agent over the team?

What are the signs that his client won't like playing with the Hawks? With Trae Young, in an uptempo system where we give all of our wings playmaking responsibilities and freedom?

I mean, let's be real about this? Cam personality is a lot like Kevin's. Is there is reason to be worried when his best fit is us? We aren't Cleveland or Chicago which is a terrible fit for Reddish

I defend players rights and agents all of the time. Rich is easily one of my favorite along with Duffy. I like agents who lesson to their clients. Atlanta under Travis has shown the ability that we listen to our players agents. See Tyler Dorsey who just couldn't get on the floor for us. Even Lin agent as well for the buyout. That's real to me.
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Post#2237 » by kg01 » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:24 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:The Suns been absolutely horrible since. Bledsoe was right and Rich Paul once again fought for his client. Your not being sensical.

Rich Paul fought for his clients when their teams didn't want to do the client justice.


But i don't care about Rich Paul's clients.

I care about the Atlanta Hawks...and I don't want them having to deal with this guy.

NOTE: Who actually defends sports agents? I've never heard any fan spout glowing remarks on Scott Boras, Drew Rosenhaus or the like? Why the hell would a fan of a sports team be siding with the agent over the team?


1. People generally side with the player in player-v-team kerfuffles.
2. Because Klutch present themselves as ultra-aggresively(sp?) pursuing players' interests, people (incorrectly) see them as some Robin Hood-type organization. Fighting the good fight against these bad ol' GM's/teams.
3. So when Klutch makes a pubic outcry over something, many fans are like .. "Yeah, stick it to tha man!"

The reality is, Klutch exists to do the bidding of Lebron ... and obtw they're a sports agency. Outside of being Lebron's friend, they don't truly have what it takes to be a successful agency. All they do is walk into teams' offices and scream, "Gimme as much money as the CBA allows you to pay! ...... obtw, the most powerful man in basketball is backing us so you don't wanna get on his bad side, do you?"

Once the Lebron shadow fades, likely so will that agency.

All that being said, I do appreciate the fact that they are a minority-owned voice in that industry/business. It's an industry/business that suffers from a lack of diversity at the highest levels. This is also another reason folks seem to love Klutch. That said, it doesn't mean one can't evaluate what they're actually doing with a critical eye. Outside of guys that were currently teammates of lebron at the time they were negotiating, they have spectacularly failed to get anyone paid.

All in all, I love the concept of Klutch but I do not like the execution.
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Post#2238 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:27 pm

King Ken wrote:What are the signs that his client won't like playing with the Hawks? With Trae Young, in an uptempo system where we give all of our wings playmaking responsibilities and freedom?

I mean, let's be real about this? Cam personality is a lot like Kevin's. Is there is reason to be worried when his best fit is us? We aren't Cleveland or Chicago which is a terrible fit for Reddish.



There are valid concerns regarding Cam.

If Reddish struggled in college as the third option behind a ball dominant wing (RJ Barrett) and a do it all big man (Zion), it's reasonable to wonder if he'll struggle in the pros behind a ball dominant pg (Trae) and a do it all big man (J Collins).

It's also reasonable to wonder if we'll want or will be able to pay a max contract in 3-4 years when Cam is due...if we're already maxed out on Trae and Collins with a huge obligation to Kevin Huerter.

Even more of a concern if a vet Free Agent SF is ahead of Reddish on the depth chart.

And have no doubt, Rich Paul will be looking around the league for the fattest deal and the biggest role for his client come Restricted Free Agency.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2239 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:40 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:What are the signs that his client won't like playing with the Hawks? With Trae Young, in an uptempo system where we give all of our wings playmaking responsibilities and freedom?

I mean, let's be real about this? Cam personality is a lot like Kevin's. Is there is reason to be worried when his best fit is us? We aren't Cleveland or Chicago which is a terrible fit for Reddish.



There are valid concerns regarding Cam.

If Reddish struggled in college as the third option behind a ball dominant wing (RJ Barrett) and a do it all big man (Zion), it's reasonable to wonder if he'll struggle in the pros behind a ball dominant pg (Trae) and a do it all big man (J Collins).

It's also reasonable to wonder if we'll want or will be able to pay a max contract in 3-4 years when Cam is due...if we're already maxed out on Trae and Collins with a huge obligation to Kevin Huerter.

Even more of a concern if a vet Free Agent SF is ahead of Reddish on the depth chart.

And have no doubt, Rich Paul will be looking around the league for the fattest deal and the biggest role for his client come Restricted Free Agency.

Lol, you know there is a massive difference between the NBA style of play, our system, Trae and how we get it.

Come on, you are being facetious on this. Let's face the facts, if you got questions on the kid, fine but its weak to complain about his selection of his agency which is pretty good.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2240 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:40 pm

kg01 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:The Suns been absolutely horrible since. Bledsoe was right and Rich Paul once again fought for his client. Your not being sensical.

Rich Paul fought for his clients when their teams didn't want to do the client justice.


But i don't care about Rich Paul's clients.

I care about the Atlanta Hawks...and I don't want them having to deal with this guy.

NOTE: Who actually defends sports agents? I've never heard any fan spout glowing remarks on Scott Boras, Drew Rosenhaus or the like? Why the hell would a fan of a sports team be siding with the agent over the team?


1. People generally side with the player in player-v-team kerfuffles.
2. Because Klutch present themselves as ultra-aggresively(sp?) pursuing players' interests, people (incorrectly) see them as some Robin Hood-type organization. Fighting the good fight against these bad ol' GM's/teams.
3. So when Klutch makes a pubic outcry over something, many fans are like .. "Yeah, stick it to tha man!"

The reality is, Klutch exists to do the bidding of Lebron ... and obtw they're a sports agency. Outside of being Lebron's friend, they don't truly have what it takes to be a successful agency. All they do is walk into teams' offices and scream, "Gimme as much money as the CBA allows you to pay! ...... obtw, the most powerful man in basketball is backing us so you don't wanna get on his bad side, do you?"

Once the Lebron shadow fades, likely so will that agency.

All that being said, I do appreciate the fact that they are a minority-owned voice in that industry/business. It's an industry/business that suffers from a lack of diversity at the highest levels. This is also another reason folks seem to love Klutch. That said, it doesn't mean one can't evaluate what they're actually doing with a critical eye. Outside of guys that were currently teammates of lebron at the time they were negotiating, they have spectacularly failed to get anyone paid.

All in all, I love the concept of Klutch but I do not like the execution.

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