2019 NBA Draft Prep

[King Ken]

The Suns been absolutely horrible since. Bledsoe was right and Rich Paul once again fought for his client. Your not being sensical.

Rich Paul fought for his clients when their teams didn't want to do the client justice.

But i don't care about Rich Paul's clients.

I care about the Atlanta Hawks...and I don't want them having to deal with this guy.

NOTE: Who actually defends sports agents? I've never heard any fan spout glowing remarks on Scott Boras, Drew Rosenhaus or the like? Why the hell would a fan of a sports team be siding with the agent over the team?

1. People generally side with the player in player-v-team kerfuffles.
2. Because Klutch present themselves as ultra-aggresively(sp?) pursuing players' interests, people (incorrectly) see them as some Robin Hood-type organization. Fighting the good fight against these bad ol' GM's/teams.
3. So when Klutch makes a pubic outcry over something, many fans are like .. "Yeah, stick it to tha man!"

The reality is, Klutch exists to do the bidding of Lebron ... and obtw they're a sports agency. Outside of being Lebron's friend, they don't truly have what it takes to be a successful agency. All they do is walk into teams' offices and scream, "Gimme as much money as the CBA allows you to pay! ...... obtw, the most powerful man in basketball is backing us so you don't wanna get on his bad side, do you?"

Once the Lebron shadow fades, likely so will that agency.

All that being said, I do appreciate the fact that they are a minority-owned voice in that industry/business. It's an industry/business that suffers from a lack of diversity at the highest levels. This is also another reason folks seem to love Klutch. That said, it doesn't mean one can't evaluate what they're actually doing with a critical eye. Outside of guys that were currently teammates of lebron at the time they were negotiating, they have spectacularly failed to get anyone paid.

All in all, I love the concept of Klutch but I do not like the execution.

1. On realgm and reddit, most posters don't side the players, mainly the teams, especially their team

2. I wouldn't call them Robin hood but they do care about their players interest above all else. If their player wants to stay and willing to sign an under the market deal they will do it. A number of teams have good relationships with Rich.

3. Never heard or seen this. This sounds like some bull KG. Please post where fans have said this. Most fans I see on message boards hate Rich for no reason other than what happened with AD. This statement is a garbage.

Nonsense. Straight nonsense. It's clear you guys have others issues bigger than just Rich

[Jamaaliver]

Lol, you know there is a massive difference between the NBA style of play, our system, Trae and how we get it.

Come on, you are being facetious on this. Let's face the facts, if you got questions on the kid, fine but its weak to complain about his selection of his agency which is pretty good.

I 100% DISAGREE. I've seen enough of Klutch Sports strong arming teams into poor deals and bad situations.

Keep an eye on Simmons and Reddish and Draymond moving forward. I have a feeling the players and their teams will regret dealing with them sooner than later.

[Jamaaliver]

Nonsense. Straight nonsense. It's clear you guys have others issues bigger than just Rich

And it's clear you have serious pro-Rich Paul agenda.

Defending a sports agent against all criticism...at all costs -->

[King Ken]

Lol, you know there is a massive difference between the NBA style of play, our system, Trae and how we get it.

Come on, you are being facetious on this. Let's face the facts, if you got questions on the kid, fine but its weak to complain about his selection of his agency which is pretty good.

I 100% DISAGREE. I've seen enough of Klutch Sports strong arming teams into poor deals and bad situations.

Keep an eye on Simmons and Reddish and Draymond moving forward. I have a feeling the players and their teams will regret dealing with them sooner than later.

[King Ken]

Nonsense. Straight nonsense. It's clear you guys have others issues bigger than just Rich

And it's clear you have serious pro-Rich Paul agenda.

Defending a sports agent against all criticism...at all costs -->

He is a damn good agent. Why should I not like him? Your critique is rubbish.

[kg01]

But i don't care about Rich Paul's clients.

I care about the Atlanta Hawks...and I don't want them having to deal with this guy.

NOTE: Who actually defends sports agents? I've never heard any fan spout glowing remarks on Scott Boras, Drew Rosenhaus or the like? Why the hell would a fan of a sports team be siding with the agent over the team?

1. People generally side with the player in player-v-team kerfuffles.
2. Because Klutch present themselves as ultra-aggresively(sp?) pursuing players' interests, people (incorrectly) see them as some Robin Hood-type organization. Fighting the good fight against these bad ol' GM's/teams.
3. So when Klutch makes a pubic outcry over something, many fans are like .. "Yeah, stick it to tha man!"

The reality is, Klutch exists to do the bidding of Lebron ... and obtw they're a sports agency. Outside of being Lebron's friend, they don't truly have what it takes to be a successful agency. All they do is walk into teams' offices and scream, "Gimme as much money as the CBA allows you to pay! ...... obtw, the most powerful man in basketball is backing us so you don't wanna get on his bad side, do you?"

Once the Lebron shadow fades, likely so will that agency.

All that being said, I do appreciate the fact that they are a minority-owned voice in that industry/business. It's an industry/business that suffers from a lack of diversity at the highest levels. This is also another reason folks seem to love Klutch. That said, it doesn't mean one can't evaluate what they're actually doing with a critical eye. Outside of guys that were currently teammates of lebron at the time they were negotiating, they have spectacularly failed to get anyone paid.

All in all, I love the concept of Klutch but I do not like the execution.

1. On realgm and reddit, most posters don't side the players, mainly the teams, especially their team

2. I wouldn't call them Robin hood but they do care about their players interest above all else. If their player wants to stay and willing to sign an under the market deal they will do it. A number of teams have good relationships with Rich.

3. Never heard or seen this. This sounds like some bull KG. Please post where fans have said this. Most fans I see on message boards hate Rich for no reason other than what happened with AD. This statement is a garbage.

Nonsense. Straight nonsense. It's clear you guys have others issues bigger than just Rich

Fans who love Klutch absolutely do feel they're "sticking it to the man". What's garbage about that statement?

And I said in the post you quoted that I like the concept of what they're doing and what they represent. What "bigger issue" could I have?

Only things I don't like about them are their tactics and their results (outside of guys who were currently teammates of Lebron at the time when they were negotiating).

This business/industry needs minority voices in places of power. I just don't think Klutch is doing a good job with the platform they've been given. The Davis situation was a shining example of that.

[kg01]

Nonsense. Straight nonsense. It's clear you guys have others issues bigger than just Rich

And it's clear you have serious pro-Rich Paul agenda.

Defending a sports agent against all criticism...at all costs -->

He is a damn good agent. Why should I not like him? Your critique is rubbish.

Like what are you basing this on?

[Jamaaliver]

Like what are you basing this on?

Likely the contract of a sub par player on a bad team with a terrible franchise in a not-awesome city.

He may be miserable...but at least he's getting paid.

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[King Ken]

1. People generally side with the player in player-v-team kerfuffles.
2. Because Klutch present themselves as ultra-aggresively(sp?) pursuing players' interests, people (incorrectly) see them as some Robin Hood-type organization. Fighting the good fight against these bad ol' GM's/teams.
3. So when Klutch makes a pubic outcry over something, many fans are like .. "Yeah, stick it to tha man!"

The reality is, Klutch exists to do the bidding of Lebron ... and obtw they're a sports agency. Outside of being Lebron's friend, they don't truly have what it takes to be a successful agency. All they do is walk into teams' offices and scream, "Gimme as much money as the CBA allows you to pay! ...... obtw, the most powerful man in basketball is backing us so you don't wanna get on his bad side, do you?"

Once the Lebron shadow fades, likely so will that agency.

All that being said, I do appreciate the fact that they are a minority-owned voice in that industry/business. It's an industry/business that suffers from a lack of diversity at the highest levels. This is also another reason folks seem to love Klutch. That said, it doesn't mean one can't evaluate what they're actually doing with a critical eye. Outside of guys that were currently teammates of lebron at the time they were negotiating, they have spectacularly failed to get anyone paid.

All in all, I love the concept of Klutch but I do not like the execution.

1. On realgm and reddit, most posters don't side the players, mainly the teams, especially their team

2. I wouldn't call them Robin hood but they do care about their players interest above all else. If their player wants to stay and willing to sign an under the market deal they will do it. A number of teams have good relationships with Rich.

3. Never heard or seen this. This sounds like some bull KG. Please post where fans have said this. Most fans I see on message boards hate Rich for no reason other than what happened with AD. This statement is a garbage.

Nonsense. Straight nonsense. It's clear you guys have others issues bigger than just Rich

Fans who love Klutch absolutely do feel they're "sticking it to the man". What's garbage about that statement?

And I said in the post you quoted that I like the concept of what they're doing and what they represent. What "bigger issue" could I have?

Only things I don't like about them are their tactics and their results (outside of guys who were currently teammates of Lebron at the time when they were negotiating).

This business/industry needs minority voices in places of power. I just don't think Klutch is doing a good job with the platform they've been given. The Davis situation was a shining example of that.

1. You made that **** up. No one looks at this in anyway like a O.J. Simpson trial. You pushing a Black and white narrative that's not there especially for Basketball players these guys don't even know. This is simple, it's about players rights as he is a contractor. He simply looks out for his clients. Believe it or not, not all agencies do.

2. What is wrong about fighting for their players? Bill Duffy has made a career on it. Fagan has too. Palinka was known to be tremendous on terms. There are agents who are known to fight for agents more. Some agents are known to have a lot of post career views for their clients. Some are about endorsements. Everyone offers something different while all have similarities.

3. I like everyone felt the AD situation wasn't handled properly but I know why they did it. It just didn't work as they didn't realize, the media just isn't as pro LeBron/Lakers as they assumed. Lakers have been known for strongarming teams through the media since the 90s and they got manhandled. Both parties didn't see it coming. I am kinda glad it did. I blame everyone for that one. AD, Rich, Rob, Magic, Jennie and Bron. Other than that, I am impressed with Rich work. He has done a solid for most of his clients. Took over the Noel situation that where the agent turned down 70 million for more, Dallas pulled the deal permanently and he had to fire his agent Happy Waiters and hire Rich who finally put him in a favorable situation.

Klutch is doing a great job but if you only follow them during the AD debacle then I can see why you look at them as a flawed. I watch all aspects of this league. Klutch is going a heck of a job. A lot of their clients speak glowingly of Rich work. Rich isn't the best at getting his clients endorsements like someone like Armstrong or Fagan but he does a tremendous job in getting them into favorable situations for their personal objective and that they have the tools to succeed long term.

[King Ken]

Like what are you basing this on?

Likely the contract of a sub par player on a bad team with a terrible franchise in a not-awesome city.

He may be miserable...but at least he's getting paid.

Cleveland has worked with him. He is happy with the current situation. Korver too had the same issues as was traded.

J.R. situation is much different. Then again, J.R. is pretty much a foot into retirement at this stage of his career. Rich and Cleveland even worked out a deal that worked for both parties.

If you don't know the behind the scenes, you really don't know how much a number of teams like Rich. Might not like LeBron but they like Rich. Rich took a knock for the AD debacle but otherwise, Rich has been pretty good

[kg01]

1. On realgm and reddit, most posters don't side the players, mainly the teams, especially their team

2. I wouldn't call them Robin hood but they do care about their players interest above all else. If their player wants to stay and willing to sign an under the market deal they will do it. A number of teams have good relationships with Rich.

3. Never heard or seen this. This sounds like some bull KG. Please post where fans have said this. Most fans I see on message boards hate Rich for no reason other than what happened with AD. This statement is a garbage.

Nonsense. Straight nonsense. It's clear you guys have others issues bigger than just Rich

Fans who love Klutch absolutely do feel they're "sticking it to the man". What's garbage about that statement?

And I said in the post you quoted that I like the concept of what they're doing and what they represent. What "bigger issue" could I have?

Only things I don't like about them are their tactics and their results (outside of guys who were currently teammates of Lebron at the time when they were negotiating).

This business/industry needs minority voices in places of power. I just don't think Klutch is doing a good job with the platform they've been given. The Davis situation was a shining example of that.

1. You made that **** up. No one looks at this in anyway like a O.J. Simpson trial. You pushing a Black and white narrative that's not there especially for Basketball players these guys don't even know. This is simple, it's about players rights as he is a contractor. He simply looks out for his clients. Believe it or not, not all agencies do.

2. What is wrong about fighting for their players? Bill Duffy has made a career on it. Fagan has too. Palinka was known to be tremendous on terms. There are agents who are known to fight for agents more. Some agents are known to have a lot of post career views for their clients. Some are about endorsements. Everyone offers something different while all have similarities.

3. I like everyone felt the AD situation wasn't handled properly but I know why they did it. It just didn't work as they didn't realize, the media just isn't as pro LeBron/Lakers as they assumed. Lakers have been known for strongarming teams through the media since the 90s and they got manhandled. Both parties didn't see it coming. I am kinda glad it did. I blame everyone for that one. AD, Rich, Rob, Magic, Jennie and Bron. Other than that, I am impressed with Rich work. He has done a solid for most of his clients. Took over the Noel situation that where the agent turned down 70 million for more, Dallas pulled the deal permanently and he had to fire his agent Happy Waiters and hire Rich who finally put him in a favorable situation.

Klutch is doing a great job but if you only follow them during the AD debacle then I can see why you look at them as a flawed. I watch all aspects of this league. Klutch is going a heck of a job. A lot of their clients speak glowingly of Rich work. Rich isn't the best at getting his clients endorsements like someone like Armstrong or Fagan but he does a tremendous job in getting them into favorable situations for their personal objective and that they have the tools to succeed long term.

Agree to disagree time.

[Jamaaliver]

Man,

I absolutely hate the scrutiny and criticism that teenage, amateur athletes come under in our society.

This is uncalled for IMO.

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[Jamaaliver]

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[King Ken]

Man,

I absolutely hate the scrutiny and criticism that teenage, amateur athletes come under in our society.

This is uncalled for IMO.

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He plays for the team most kids get to constantly watch, Duke. In fact all of the top 3 were from Duke and no one else from elsewhere. While its dumb, just goes to show you the kids know Duke well and everyone else. Not so much.

[King Ken]

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That's on Rich then. Articles I had back then said Happy was his agent at the time of the offer from Dallas. Then again, Nerlens probably fired Happy wanting more money and if Rich is still his agent, that tells you who dropped the ball. It wasn't Rich. It was Nerlens.

[King Ken]

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[Hazer]

Trae is not even a 35+% 3pt shooter.

Dedmon and Collins are, thanks Jent

I know what you are trying to do and no. Those two had good forms and Bembry, Anderson, and Bazemore are still the face of bad shooting forms and they still are bad shooters. Nothing has changed much at all. There is a reason none of them are close to starting long term

If I remember right you did this last year in a case for a prospect who we passed on.

You don’t remember right

[King Ken]

Dedmon and Collins are, thanks Jent

I know what you are trying to do and no. Those two had good forms and Bembry, Anderson, and Bazemore are still the face of bad shooting forms and they still are bad shooters. Nothing has changed much at all. There is a reason none of them are close to starting long term

If I remember right you did this last year in a case for a prospect who we passed on.

You don’t remember right

Honestly, not really. I just remember this style of posting. Like baiting in a sense.

[Jamaaliver]

That's on Rich then. Articles I had back then said Happy was his agent at the time of the offer from Dallas. Then again, Nerlens probably fired Happy wanting more money and if Rich is still his agent, that tells you who dropped the ball. It wasn't Rich. It was Nerlens.

So his previous agent got him a life-changing $70 million contract offer.

But his current agent has him playing on a veteran's minimum deal.

Sounds like Rich Paul isn't very effective when LeBron isn't around to strong arm the team.

Spoiler:

On July 1, the official first day of the NBA's 2017-18 free-agency season, the Mavericks came to Nerlens Noel, a restricted free agent at the time, with a contract offer: a four-year deal worth around $70 million, according to a league source.

Except Noel rejected the deal. Then in August, he fired his agent, Happy Walters, and replaced him with Rich Paul, whose playbook is to push for larger deals, and to hold off on signing long-term extensions until the player has the leverage, especially with guys as young as Noel (23). Noel wound up signing a one-year, $4.1 million qualifying offer instead.

Bleacher Report

On Saturday, Noel signed a one-year, $4.1 million qualifying offer, a deal that will make him an unrestricted free agent in 2018. It comes four days after firing Walters and signing Rich Paul of Klutch Sports.

Paul declined comment since he was not part of the previous negotiations.

Noel never revisited the initial four-year deal that was declined in early July, according to Cuban, which the Mavericks may have still honored if Noel had a change of heart.

“[It’s] hard to say,” Cuban told SB Nation. “We never got there.”

SB Nation

[Jamaaliver]

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Caldwell-Pope was able to sign a sizable one-year deal worth $17.8 million with the Lakers because he bet on himself in restricted free agency and turned down a five-year, $80 million extension from the Pistons. Detroit later renounced their rights on him...

Most players would have taken the long-term deal. Caldwell-Pope, with [agent Rich] Paul’s blessing, refused to settle for that.

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