Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[TheSuzerain]

Lavine for the Lakers pick (and cap space).

Seriously?

I can only assume this post is coming from a Laker fan or someone that isn't yet ready to admit they were wrong about Lavine.

Is it both?

There is immense value to receiving cap space when you’re already under the cap.

Think of it as Brogdon and #10 for Lavine. That’s a clear win.

[Ccwatercraft]

One general question if I may.

I read a lot of posts stating that we're set at 2-5 and that PG is our issue, (and I agree, dunn has regressed)

But I'm seriously wondering if we're really set at the 5.
I like carter, I think he was a good pick, but are we REALLY SET at the 5?
He struggled much of the year (as expected to some degree) and ran into foul trouble almost every game he played.

we're chock full of PG's that all have flaws on some level, but unless Lopez resigns cheap we're super thin at the 5 (and not that solid at the 4 either).

Are we expecting/hoping that we can sign a decent center on the cheap?

[Ccwatercraft]

Lavine for the Lakers pick (and cap space).

Seriously?

I can only assume this post is coming from a Laker fan or someone that isn't yet ready to admit they were wrong about Lavine.

Is it both?

There is immense value to receiving cap space when you’re already under the cap.

Think of it as Brogdon and #10 for Lavine. That’s a clear win.

I don't agree, mainly because we already have most of the cap space we need so I think its possible we could get Brogdon w/o giving up Lavine and since the #10 is an unknown, IMO that would be a setback.

honestly if you put Lavine on the market, I think you can do better than a #10, he really proved himself this season AND is a great value at 20 mil locked in for 3 more years, I think the demand would be high for him.

[musiqsoulchild]

One general question if I may.

I read a lot of posts stating that we're set at 2-5 and that PG is our issue, (and I agree, dunn has regressed)

But I'm seriously wondering if we're really set at the 5.
I like carter, I think he was a good pick, but are we REALLY SET at the 5?
He struggled much of the year (as expected to some degree) and ran into foul trouble almost every game he played.

we're chock full of PG's that all have flaws on some level, but unless Lopez resigns cheap we're super thin at the 5 (and not that solid at the 4 either).

Are we expecting/hoping that we can sign a decent center on the cheap?

This is an important question. Good call out CC.

I am a proponent of adding a combo PF/C to this team. We are thin in the frontcourt at the 5.

This is why I proposed signing Casspi ( who will shore up the SF and PF rotation) and this allows Lauri to play some Center minutes.

SF: Otto / Hutch / Casspi
PF: Lauri / Casspi / Otto
C: Wendell / Lauri

Still need a really good backup PF/C. Not Lopez. But a Kurt Thomas. Lopez is a one position player and takes up too much capspace. You can get a decent guy like Ed Davis for much cheaper.

[bigworld2017]

But we have the great Chris Felicio

[musiqsoulchild]

But we have the great Chris Felicio

If Felicio played like he did before his contract, then this would be a non-issue.

Still think that is the easiest way to fix the roster.

[sco]

One general question if I may.

I read a lot of posts stating that we're set at 2-5 and that PG is our issue, (and I agree, dunn has regressed)

But I'm seriously wondering if we're really set at the 5.
I like carter, I think he was a good pick, but are we REALLY SET at the 5?
He struggled much of the year (as expected to some degree) and ran into foul trouble almost every game he played.

we're chock full of PG's that all have flaws on some level, but unless Lopez resigns cheap we're super thin at the 5 (and not that solid at the 4 either).

Are we expecting/hoping that we can sign a decent center on the cheap?

This is an important question. Good call out CC.

I am a proponent of adding a combo PF/C to this team. We are thin in the frontcourt at the 5.

This is why I proposed signing Casspi ( who will shore up the SF and PF rotation) and this allows Lauri to play some Center minutes.

SF: Otto / Hutch / Casspi
PF: Lauri / Casspi / Otto
C: Wendell / Lauri

Still need a really good backup PF/C. Not Lopez. But a Kurt Thomas. Lopez is a one position player and takes up too much capspace. You can get a decent guy like Ed Davis for much cheaper.

I'm not worried that we'll be able to find quality backup talent on vet min deals given the list of guys I quickly picked off of UFA/Player Option guys available this offseason:

Dewayne Dedmon

Marcus Morris

Aron Baynes

Ed Davis

Willy Hernangomez

Channing Frye

Marquese Chriss

Tristan Thompson

John Henson

Salah Mejri

Mason Plumlee

Zaza Pachulia

Jon Leuer

DeMarcus Cousins

Kevon Looney

Kenneth Faried

Thaddeus Young

Luc Mbah a Moute

JaMychal Green

Tyson Chandler

JaVale McGee

Mike Muscala

Joakim Noah

Brook Lopez

Nikola Mirotic

Taj Gibson

Luol Deng

Julius Randle

Noah Vonleh

DeAndre Jordan

Nerlens Noel

Markieff Morris

Nikola Vucevic

Amir Johnson

Boban Marjanovic

Mike Scott

Al-Farouq Aminu

Enes Kanter

Kosta Koufos

Jeff Green

Robin Lopez

[cjbulls]

Lavine for the Lakers pick (and cap space).

Seriously?

I can only assume this post is coming from a Laker fan or someone that isn't yet ready to admit they were wrong about Lavine.

Is it both?

There is immense value to receiving cap space when you’re already under the cap.

Think of it as Brogdon and #10 for Lavine. That’s a clear win.

This is so insane it's hilarious.

Let's trade a 24yo borderline all star and 24ppg efficient scorer/shooter for the #10 pick in a weak draft when we already have a top 10 pick AND already have 6 potential rotation players still playing on their rookie contracts. Oh, AND, the right to maybe overpay Brogdon so he can make more than LaVine, in case MKE decides not to match (and when the Bulls already can make the space to sign Brogdon without trading LaVine!).

Wow. I don't want to hear anyone berating GarPax when reading up on some of the ideas here!

[Ccwatercraft]

Seriously?

I can only assume this post is coming from a Laker fan or someone that isn't yet ready to admit they were wrong about Lavine.

Is it both?

There is immense value to receiving cap space when you’re already under the cap.

Think of it as Brogdon and #10 for Lavine. That’s a clear win.

This is so insane it's hilarious.

Let's trade a 24yo borderline all star and 24ppg efficient scorer/shooter for the #10 pick in a weak draft when we already have a top 10 pick AND already have 6 potential rotation players still playing on their rookie contracts. Oh, AND, the right to maybe overpay Brogdon so he can make more than LaVine, in case MKE decides not to match (and when the Bulls already can make the space to sign Brogdon without trading LaVine!).

Wow. I don't want to hear anyone berating GarPax when reading up on some of the ideas here!

Honestly at the end of the day I expect the bucks will either Match Brogdon and/or find another alternative that fits within their budget. I haven't seen enough of him to get excited about the idea of overpaying him anyway. I have probably only seen 4 bucks games this year and I am usually paying attention to the freak and not the other players.

[Ccwatercraft]

One general question if I may.

I read a lot of posts stating that we're set at 2-5 and that PG is our issue, (and I agree, dunn has regressed)

But I'm seriously wondering if we're really set at the 5.
I like carter, I think he was a good pick, but are we REALLY SET at the 5?
He struggled much of the year (as expected to some degree) and ran into foul trouble almost every game he played.

we're chock full of PG's that all have flaws on some level, but unless Lopez resigns cheap we're super thin at the 5 (and not that solid at the 4 either).

Are we expecting/hoping that we can sign a decent center on the cheap?

This is an important question. Good call out CC.

I am a proponent of adding a combo PF/C to this team. We are thin in the frontcourt at the 5.

This is why I proposed signing Casspi ( who will shore up the SF and PF rotation) and this allows Lauri to play some Center minutes.

SF: Otto / Hutch / Casspi
PF: Lauri / Casspi / Otto
C: Wendell / Lauri

Still need a really good backup PF/C. Not Lopez. But a Kurt Thomas. Lopez is a one position player and takes up too much capspace. You can get a decent guy like Ed Davis for much cheaper.

I'm not worried that we'll be able to find quality backup talent on vet min deals given the list of guys I quickly picked off of UFA/Player Option guys available this offseason:

Dewayne Dedmon

Marcus Morris

Aron Baynes

Ed Davis

Willy Hernangomez

Channing Frye

Marquese Chriss

Tristan Thompson

John Henson

Salah Mejri

Mason Plumlee

Zaza Pachulia

Jon Leuer

DeMarcus Cousins

Kevon Looney

Kenneth Faried

Thaddeus Young

Luc Mbah a Moute

JaMychal Green

Tyson Chandler

JaVale McGee

Mike Muscala

Joakim Noah

Brook Lopez

Nikola Mirotic

Taj Gibson

Luol Deng

Julius Randle

Noah Vonleh

DeAndre Jordan

Nerlens Noel

Markieff Morris

Nikola Vucevic

Amir Johnson

Boban Marjanovic

Mike Scott

Al-Farouq Aminu

Enes Kanter

Kosta Koufos

Jeff Green

Robin Lopez

Good point, and I hope so as well, although many of those players won't be close to vet min's IMO, so i'm assuming what your saying is with that long of a list, that some will once the top players are signed.

[sco]

This is an important question. Good call out CC.

I am a proponent of adding a combo PF/C to this team. We are thin in the frontcourt at the 5.

This is why I proposed signing Casspi ( who will shore up the SF and PF rotation) and this allows Lauri to play some Center minutes.

SF: Otto / Hutch / Casspi
PF: Lauri / Casspi / Otto
C: Wendell / Lauri

Still need a really good backup PF/C. Not Lopez. But a Kurt Thomas. Lopez is a one position player and takes up too much capspace. You can get a decent guy like Ed Davis for much cheaper.

I'm not worried that we'll be able to find quality backup talent on vet min deals given the list of guys I quickly picked off of UFA/Player Option guys available this offseason:

Dewayne Dedmon

Marcus Morris

Aron Baynes

Ed Davis

Willy Hernangomez

Channing Frye

Marquese Chriss

Tristan Thompson

John Henson

Salah Mejri

Mason Plumlee

Zaza Pachulia

Jon Leuer

DeMarcus Cousins

Kevon Looney

Kenneth Faried

Thaddeus Young

Luc Mbah a Moute

JaMychal Green

Tyson Chandler

JaVale McGee

Mike Muscala

Joakim Noah

Brook Lopez

Nikola Mirotic

Taj Gibson

Luol Deng

Julius Randle

Noah Vonleh

DeAndre Jordan

Nerlens Noel

Markieff Morris

Nikola Vucevic

Amir Johnson

Boban Marjanovic

Mike Scott

Al-Farouq Aminu

Enes Kanter

Kosta Koufos

Jeff Green

Robin Lopez

Good point, and I hope so as well, although many of those players won't be close to vet min's IMO, so i'm assuming what your saying is with that long of a list, that some will once the top players are signed.

Yep...exactly. I could see getting older guys like Koufos, Mejri, Amir Johnson or Henson.

[Ccwatercraft]

I'm not worried that we'll be able to find quality backup talent on vet min deals given the list of guys I quickly picked off of UFA/Player Option guys available this offseason:

Dewayne Dedmon

Marcus Morris

Aron Baynes

Ed Davis

Willy Hernangomez

Channing Frye

Marquese Chriss

Tristan Thompson

John Henson

Salah Mejri

Mason Plumlee

Zaza Pachulia

Jon Leuer

DeMarcus Cousins

Kevon Looney

Kenneth Faried

Thaddeus Young

Luc Mbah a Moute

JaMychal Green

Tyson Chandler

JaVale McGee

Mike Muscala

Joakim Noah

Brook Lopez

Nikola Mirotic

Taj Gibson

Luol Deng

Julius Randle

Noah Vonleh

DeAndre Jordan

Nerlens Noel

Markieff Morris

Nikola Vucevic

Amir Johnson

Boban Marjanovic

Mike Scott

Al-Farouq Aminu

Enes Kanter

Kosta Koufos

Jeff Green

Robin Lopez

Good point, and I hope so as well, although many of those players won't be close to vet min's IMO, so i'm assuming what your saying is with that long of a list, that some will once the top players are signed.

Yep...exactly. I could see getting older guys like Koufos, Mejri, Amir Johnson or Henson.

Ya, I got halfway through my first sentence that started with "if you think we, or anybody is going to get Vucevic on a vet min deal you NUTS!", then I thought it through and understood your train of thought there and deleted it lol.

[Dan Z]

One general question if I may.

I read a lot of posts stating that we're set at 2-5 and that PG is our issue, (and I agree, dunn has regressed)

But I'm seriously wondering if we're really set at the 5.
I like carter, I think he was a good pick, but are we REALLY SET at the 5?
He struggled much of the year (as expected to some degree) and ran into foul trouble almost every game he played.

we're chock full of PG's that all have flaws on some level, but unless Lopez resigns cheap we're super thin at the 5 (and not that solid at the 4 either).

Are we expecting/hoping that we can sign a decent center on the cheap?

That depends on how much Robin Lopez wants in free agency and how much a PG will cost. If Lopez leaves the Bulls can always talk to Kyle O'Quinn, Noah Vonleh and Joakim Noah to see if they'll sign for a decent deal. It's possible that the Bulls also use their 2nd round pick on a big.

[StunnerKO]

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[Ccwatercraft]

One general question if I may.

I read a lot of posts stating that we're set at 2-5 and that PG is our issue, (and I agree, dunn has regressed)

But I'm seriously wondering if we're really set at the 5.
I like carter, I think he was a good pick, but are we REALLY SET at the 5?
He struggled much of the year (as expected to some degree) and ran into foul trouble almost every game he played.

we're chock full of PG's that all have flaws on some level, but unless Lopez resigns cheap we're super thin at the 5 (and not that solid at the 4 either).

Are we expecting/hoping that we can sign a decent center on the cheap?

That depends on how much Robin Lopez wants in free agency and how much a PG will cost. If Lopez leaves the Bulls can always talk to Kyle O'Quinn, Noah Vonleh and Joakim Noah to see if they'll sign for a decent deal. It's possible that the Bulls also use their 2nd round pick on a big.

Seems to me that Lopez has played himself into a decent contract next year. At the midpoint of the Season he didn't look like he was going to be worth more than the vet min. That's changed recently IMO, hes been solid.

[Dan Z]

Are we expecting/hoping that we can sign a decent center on the cheap?

That depends on how much Robin Lopez wants in free agency and how much a PG will cost. If Lopez leaves the Bulls can always talk to Kyle O'Quinn, Noah Vonleh and Joakim Noah to see if they'll sign for a decent deal. It's possible that the Bulls also use their 2nd round pick on a big.

Seems to me that Lopez has played himself into a decent contract next year. At the midpoint of the Season he didn't look like he was going to be worth more than the vet min. That's changed recently IMO, hes been solid.

He's a good player (solid) and I think many people underrate centers these days (at least the ones that don't run fast or shoot threes). You're right that he may have played his way into a bigger contract, but I wonder who will offer him that...? It's also possible that he likes it here and will stay for a slight bit less.

[sco]

That depends on how much Robin Lopez wants in free agency and how much a PG will cost. If Lopez leaves the Bulls can always talk to Kyle O'Quinn, Noah Vonleh and Joakim Noah to see if they'll sign for a decent deal. It's possible that the Bulls also use their 2nd round pick on a big.

Seems to me that Lopez has played himself into a decent contract next year. At the midpoint of the Season he didn't look like he was going to be worth more than the vet min. That's changed recently IMO, hes been solid.

He's a good player (solid) and I think many people underrate centers these days (at least the ones that don't run fast or shoot threes). You're right that he may have played his way into a bigger contract, but I wonder who will offer him that...? It's also possible that he likes it here and will stay for a slight bit less.

Other than landing Zion in the Draft, the single most important thing the FO can do is to land a near-allstar by using our cap space effectively...you guys know that means Brodgon to me. That said, if we can get those 2 guys, I wouldn't be opposed to spending a portion of the room MLE on RoLo, but there would need to be enough left to bring in a second quality vet on a $4-5M deal. A 4/$16M deal with a no-trade clause is the most I'd go to keep RoLo - not that he's not worth more, it's just that I really think we can get a vet min C and use the MLE on a more talented guy and be better off.

[Ccwatercraft]

Seems to me that Lopez has played himself into a decent contract next year. At the midpoint of the Season he didn't look like he was going to be worth more than the vet min. That's changed recently IMO, hes been solid.

He's a good player (solid) and I think many people underrate centers these days (at least the ones that don't run fast or shoot threes). You're right that he may have played his way into a bigger contract, but I wonder who will offer him that...? It's also possible that he likes it here and will stay for a slight bit less.

Other than landing Zion in the Draft, the single most important thing the FO can do is to land a near-allstar by using our cap space effectively...you guys know that means Brodgon to me. That said, if we can get those 2 guys, I wouldn't be opposed to spending a portion of the room MLE on RoLo, but there would need to be enough left to bring in a second quality vet on a $4-5M deal. A 4/$16M deal with a no-trade clause is the most I'd go to keep RoLo - not that he's not worth more, it's just that I really think we can get a vet min C and use the MLE on a more talented guy and be better off.

Yip, although I'm not quite up to snuff on how the cap holds/space works to be honest, I'm about to post a question on that subject in the FA thread so I understand better.

[Dan Z]

Seems to me that Lopez has played himself into a decent contract next year. At the midpoint of the Season he didn't look like he was going to be worth more than the vet min. That's changed recently IMO, hes been solid.

He's a good player (solid) and I think many people underrate centers these days (at least the ones that don't run fast or shoot threes). You're right that he may have played his way into a bigger contract, but I wonder who will offer him that...? It's also possible that he likes it here and will stay for a slight bit less.

Other than landing Zion in the Draft, the single most important thing the FO can do is to land a near-allstar by using our cap space effectively...you guys know that means Brodgon to me. That said, if we can get those 2 guys, I wouldn't be opposed to spending a portion of the room MLE on RoLo, but there would need to be enough left to bring in a second quality vet on a $4-5M deal. A 4/$16M deal with a no-trade clause is the most I'd go to keep RoLo - not that he's not worth more, it's just that I really think we can get a vet min C and use the MLE on a more talented guy and be better off.

That's where we'll have to agree to disagree...Brogdon. He's a good player, but I don't think it would be a good idea to overspend to get him (I also don't think PG is his best position). I'd rather get a solid vet (for less money) who can be a stop gap for the next season or two. Someone like Beverly or Rubio.

Then in the draft get a PG who can grow into a starter (unless a better player is available when the Bulls pick). But that's my two cents.

[sco]

He's a good player (solid) and I think many people underrate centers these days (at least the ones that don't run fast or shoot threes). You're right that he may have played his way into a bigger contract, but I wonder who will offer him that...? It's also possible that he likes it here and will stay for a slight bit less.

Other than landing Zion in the Draft, the single most important thing the FO can do is to land a near-allstar by using our cap space effectively...you guys know that means Brodgon to me. That said, if we can get those 2 guys, I wouldn't be opposed to spending a portion of the room MLE on RoLo, but there would need to be enough left to bring in a second quality vet on a $4-5M deal. A 4/$16M deal with a no-trade clause is the most I'd go to keep RoLo - not that he's not worth more, it's just that I really think we can get a vet min C and use the MLE on a more talented guy and be better off.

That's where we'll have to agree to disagree...Brogdon. He's a good player, but I don't think it would be a good idea to overspend to get him (I also don't think PG is his best position). I'd rather get a solid vet (for less money) who can be a stop gap for the next season or two. Someone like Beverly or Rubio.

Then in the draft get a PG who can grow into a starter (unless a better player is available when the Bulls pick). But that's my two cents.

My plan be is to hope some team is dumb enough to take a Dunn/Felicio/2nd Round pick for nothing deal...freeing us up for enough to go after Kemba.