The three way tie-breaker and how it could give us the 6th seed.

shadrock · Post #1 » by **shadrock** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 3:06 am

Ok, so im not sure if this has been mentioned, but i haven't seen it here at all and felt it was important enough to start a new thread.

In the instance in which three teams are tied for the same record, the tie breaker actually factors in 'division winner' BEFORE it looks at the head to head records of those teams. It seems incredibly strange to me that this is the case, especially given that head to head record comes before division winner in a two way tie-breaker, but hey, i dont make the rules...

Source: http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/matchups

In the event two or more teams are tied in the standings, a series of tiebreakers are applied to determine which team receives the higher seeding.

Two-Team Tiebreaker:
1. Better record in head-to-head games
2. Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division)
3. Higher winning percentage within division (if teams are in the same division)
4. Higher winning percentage in conference games
5. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
6. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in opposite conference
7. Higher point differential between points scored and points allowed

Three-Team Tiebreaker:
1. Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division)
2. Best head-to-head winning percentage among all teams tied
3. Highest winning percentage within division (if teams are in the same division)
4. Highest winning percentage in conference games
5. Highest winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
6. Highest point differential between points scored and points allowed

In my view, this is actually an incredibly good chance of happening. If Detroit, Brooklyn and Orlando all end on a 41-41 record, and if Miami are below all three in 9th spot, Orlando gets 6th seed as we are the only division winner. We do NOT need to be a clear game ahead of either team. However, if only two teams, lets say Orlando and Brooklyn, are on 41 wins, we lose the tie-breaker.

Anyone able to verify this is correct? I may be wrong, but thought it was worth mentioning...

SHAQ32 · Post #2 » by **SHAQ32** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 3:53 am

Embiid better hope he doesn't see Vooch in a 7-game series.

NEM · Post #3 » by **NEM** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 4:40 am

Check out this crazy scenario:

All 4 teams end up 41-41. Magic end up 6th due to:

-TB with heat for division championship
-TB with Nets, pistons, heat due to division champs

We hanging that banner next year, or nah?

Jiwol · Post #4 » by **Jiwol** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:41 am

How about 3 team tie with Magic, Heat and Nets, all at 40-42, fighting for 7 and 8 spot? Can anyone elaborate? Am I thinking right that we would be 7 because we would have won our division?

shadrock · Post #5 » by **shadrock** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 8:22 am

Jiwol wrote:How about 3 team tie with Magic, Heat and Nets, all at 40-42, fighting for 7 and 8 spot? Can anyone elaborate? Am I thinking right that we would be 7 because we would have won our division?

No. If we tie with Miami we have tied the division. It would then goto the next criteria.

NEM · Post #6 » by **NEM** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 9:12 am

shadrock wrote:
Jiwol wrote:How about 3 team tie with Magic, Heat and Nets, all at 40-42, fighting for 7 and 8 spot? Can anyone elaborate? Am I thinking right that we would be 7 because we would have won our division?

No. If we tie with Miami we have tied the division. It would then goto the next criteria.

I think we would have won the division because we won the h2h

Jiwol · Post #7 » by **Jiwol** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 9:54 am

NEM wrote:
shadrock wrote:
Jiwol wrote:How about 3 team tie with Magic, Heat and Nets, all at 40-42, fighting for 7 and 8 spot? Can anyone elaborate? Am I thinking right that we would be 7 because we would have won our division?

No. If we tie with Miami we have tied the division. It would then goto the next criteria.

I think we would have won the division because we won the h2h

Looks like we both are right and shadrock is wrong. I love it when people claim they know something for a fact but they actually know ****.

Playoff Tie-Break Procedures
(1) (a) Ties to determine the division winners must be broken before any other
ties.
(b) When a tie must be broken to determine a division winner, the results of
the tie-break shall be used to determine only the division winner, and not
for any other purpose.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #8 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 2:33 pm

BAMBA5 wrote:Embiid better hope he doesn't see Vooch in a 7-game series.

Our most favorable matchup if you ask me.

shadrock · Post #9 » by **shadrock** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 8:21 pm

Jiwol wrote:
NEM wrote:
shadrock wrote:
No. If we tie with Miami we have tied the division. It would then goto the next criteria.

I think we would have won the division because we won the h2h

Looks like we both are right and shadrock is wrong. I love it when people claim they know something for a fact but they actually know ****.

Playoff Tie-Break Procedures
(1) (a) Ties to determine the division winners must be broken before any other
ties.
(b) When a tie must be broken to determine a division winner, the results of
the tie-break shall be used to determine only the division winner, and not
for any other purpose.

Calm down man im just here sharing info about the very real chance of a 3 way tie breaker going our way. Seems youre the only one with an ego.

Jiwol · Post #10 » by **Jiwol** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 9:14 pm

shadrock wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
NEM wrote:
I think we would have won the division because we won the h2h

Looks like we both are right and shadrock is wrong. I love it when people claim they know something for a fact but they actually know ****.

Playoff Tie-Break Procedures
(1) (a) Ties to determine the division winners must be broken before any other
ties.
(b) When a tie must be broken to determine a division winner, the results of
the tie-break shall be used to determine only the division winner, and not
for any other purpose.

Calm down man im just here sharing info about the very real chance of a 3 way tie breaker going our way. Seems youre the only one with an ego.

You wrote: "No. If we tie with Miami we have tied the division. It would then goto the next criteria" in reply to my question. You sound convinced but your answer is wrong which I proved with my research. Why even replying if you don't know the answer and you mislead the person who's asking?

EAS Law · Post #11 » by **EAS Law** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 9:49 pm

Jiwol wrote:
shadrock wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
Looks like we both are right and shadrock is wrong. I love it when people claim they know something for a fact but they actually know ****.

Calm down man im just here sharing info about the very real chance of a 3 way tie breaker going our way. Seems youre the only one with an ego.

You wrote: "No. If we tie with Miami we have tied the division. It would then goto the next criteria" in reply to my question. You sound convinced but your answer is wrong which I proved with my research. Why even replying if you don't know the answer and you mislead the person who's asking?

Do you get paid for pwning the OP lulz awesome man! You are SO cool.

Thanks Shadrock for bringing up this topic. Very interesting and would be awesome.

shadrock · Post #12 » by **shadrock** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 11:50 pm

Jiwol wrote:
shadrock wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
Looks like we both are right and shadrock is wrong. I love it when people claim they know something for a fact but they actually know ****.

Calm down man im just here sharing info about the very real chance of a 3 way tie breaker going our way. Seems youre the only one with an ego.

You wrote: "No. If we tie with Miami we have tied the division. It would then goto the next criteria" in reply to my question. You sound convinced but your answer is wrong which I proved with my research. Why even replying if you don't know the answer and you mislead the person who's asking?

Its ok. I got it wrong. I wasnt trying to "get" you or prove im better than you. Its just a conversation.

nymets1 · Post #13 » by **nymets1** » Fri Apr 5, 2019 12:19 am

So basically if there's a 2 team tie, than the head to head matchups is the #1 deciding factor, but if 3 teams tie than head to head matchups are totally ignored.

This is what happened this past college football season when Tulane, Memphis and Houston are finished the regular season in a 3 way tie and I thought UCF was going to play Tulane or Houston in the conference championship game because Tulsa beat Memphis in their head to head matchup so that really should have ruled out Memphis vs US in the conference championship game. It should have been US vs Tulane or Houston.

A dumb 3 way tie breaker for the Orlando Magic which we think we can get the #6 seed, instead because of the dumb tie breaker we get the 7th or 8th seed and a tougher chance to advance to the 2nd round as opposed if we got the 6 seed.