2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Cut Day Saturday

RRyder823 · Post #901 » by **RRyder823** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 4:14 pm

RubberSoul wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay

Sweet Jesus

That article gives me little hope for the future. Rodgers is even more of a diva than I realized.

From the outside its looked like he was going down the same rabbit hole Favre did at the end of his run here for a couple years now. Apparently it looks the same way from the inside

Unholy Trinity of **** is what we had

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LikeABosh · Post #902 » by **LikeABosh** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 4:23 pm

Lol at that article. Some interesting stuff, but give me a break with all that fluff with Jennings and Finley. Jennings complains Rodgers is sensitive...proceeds to complain about a joke Rodgers made 7 years ago that hurt his feelings

crkone · Post #903 » by **crkone** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 4:27 pm

LikeABosh wrote:Lol at that article. Some interesting stuff, but give me a break with all that fluff with Jennings and Finley. Jennings complains Rodgers is sensitive...proceeds to complain about a joke Rodgers made 7 years ago that hurt his feelings

Yeah those guys really were douchey.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #904 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 4:42 pm

LikeABosh wrote:Lol at that article. Some interesting stuff, but give me a break with all that fluff with Jennings and Finley. Jennings complains Rodgers is sensitive...proceeds to complain about a joke Rodgers made 7 years ago that hurt his feelings

Someone really needs to write a long form article with several people giving comments on Jennings; dude has it coming. Finley has some issues so not sure I'd like him picked on too much.

With that said I don't doubt Rodgers has some personality issues and has been a part of the problem.

It's pretty crazy that right now both the Brewers and Bucks seem like much better run franchises than the Packers... what a time to be alive.

UWNick · Post #905 » by **UWNick** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 4:42 pm

crkone wrote:
LikeABosh wrote:Lol at that article. Some interesting stuff, but give me a break with all that fluff with Jennings and Finley. Jennings complains Rodgers is sensitive...proceeds to complain about a joke Rodgers made 7 years ago that hurt his feelings

Yeah those guys really were douchey.

Honestly, having so many quotes from those two guys definitely does a disservice to the rest of the article. Those guys have been whining for years and so clearly have their own agenda. I think it was Jennings that once complained that if Rodgers was a better leader he would take the blame for when WR messed up... I mean come on. Wish I knew which coach said "F... those guys!" about Jennings and Finley. lol

chonestown · Post #906 » by **chonestown** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 4:44 pm

Picture Mike McCarthy getting a massage. My lunch has been compromised.

zmanishere11 · Post #907 » by **zmanishere11** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 5:07 pm

I don't really have a single issue with anything regarding Rodgers in this article.

He told Jennings to pound sand because he was dogging it in a contract year.

Had to deal with years of Mike Mccarthys literal garbage.

Won't argue the dude has an ego the size of Lambeau - but, um, he's kind of backed that up hasn't he?

I have a specific problem with the following quote: on Rodgers getting MM fired - "This s--t was terrible. He f--ked McCarthy over. Aaron undermined him."

That's garbage. Rodgers took care of what the organization for whatever reason couldn't do years ago which is ditch MM. This article proves that MM thought he was way better than he actually was.

I'll leave you all with this:

Can you imagine what Tom Brady would be like if he had to deal with 10 years of Mike Mccarthy instead of BB?

I can. He'd be Aaron Rodgers.

RRyder823 · Post #908 » by **RRyder823** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 5:21 pm

Its amazing how people can read that article and think any party listed is absolved of blame.

When you're changing 1/3 of the plays in the huddle and putting young WRs in a position where they either need to follow what the QB says and then get yanked off the field for not running the designed route or following what the coaches say and never seeing the ball theres plenty of blame to go around

Then again it's the internet so people will read what they want and disregard everything else

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #909 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 5:33 pm

RRyder823 wrote:Its amazing how people can read that article and think any party listed is absolved of blame.

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Absolutely... in a weird way this article should bring all the factions of packer fans together because no matter who you blamed for the failures you were right because is sure looks like it was everyone's fault.

I will say if the Packers play well this year I can't wait for the shade that Rodgers is going throw in his interviews. That dude is definitely reading every negative thing said and taking notes for his burn list lol

Iheartfootball · Post #910 » by **Iheartfootball** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 6:30 pm

RRyder823 wrote:Its amazing how people can read that article and think any party listed is absolved of blame.

When you're changing 1/3 of the plays in the huddle and putting young WRs in a position where they either need to follow what the QB says and then get yanked off the field for not running the designed route or following what the coaches say and never seeing the ball theres plenty of blame to go around

Then again it's the internet so people will read what they want and disregard everything else

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Exactly. It's far more nuanced than just one person. Sounds like there were many dysfunctional relationships, which, given the egos, spotlight, and money involved make me wonder how most franchises don't have similar issues. Feels like the Bucks/Brewers situations are probably the exception and not the norm.

This sums it up some of that nuance for me:

'One ex-Packers scout puts it on both. He describes Rodgers as an arrogant quarterback quick to blame everyone but himself—one who's "not as smart as he thinks he is"—yet kindly points out that McCarthy basically quit on his team.'

Post #911 » by **humanrefutation** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 6:58 pm

The concerns about Aaron's ego are not unique to him. Many great QBs struggle with that aspect. Tom Brady basically forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo, refuses to work with the Patriots medical staff, and has shown up his assistants multiple times in public settings. Roethlisberger's reputation for being a self-entitled, arrogant prick is well-established. On multiple occasions, Favre directly ignored what Holmgren ordered him to do during their partnership in GB, which led to animosity that could have derailed that relationship. Those egos unquestionably cause locker room problems. But, they also help make those QBs better at what they do - they drive them to prove the doubters wrong, to make courageous throws that no one else makes, to win in pressure situations.

In order to get the most out of those guys, you need to have a HC who was a leader that commanded respect and knew how to manage those egos towards making their teams better. That's the case throughout sports, really. The Phil Jacksons, Steve Kerrs, Joe Torres, Bill Belichicks, and Mike Holmgrens of the world who were effective at managing those personalities such that they limited the negative aspects and drove the best aspects of those egos.

So while Aaron is certainly not exonerated for his part in this dysfunction, I place the primary responsibility for the problems on the HC who doesn't even bother to show up to team meetings. Because say what you want about Aaron and his ego, but no one has ever accused him of not busting his ass in order to be the best player he can be.

Post #912 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 6:58 pm

Read on Twitter

Iheartfootball · Post #913 » by **Iheartfootball** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:12 pm

Another interesting piece of the article is that Rodgers and McCarthy just let the resentments simmer and never addressed them. Conflict avoidance at its finest and when the pressure is so high as it is in professional sports it's toxic to the entire team. All of this makes complete sense the more I digest it. Any other outcome would have been shocking.

They both felt powerless over their situation because no one was really in charge. They avoided addressing that and it started a vicious cycle of passive aggressive behavior. It was a very toxic relationship that no one intervened on. Rodgers sounds to me like someone who is on the intellectual level of someone incredibly bright but in his teens when it comes to emotional IQ.

It's not just Rodgers and MM. Other players and front office execs (Murphy) were culpable. This is where Mark Murphy's role comes into play. He should have been the guy monitoring this and addressing as well. His part is important as well. Otherwise this will just happen again until there is honesty about conflict at the organizational level.

Treebeard · Post #914 » by **Treebeard** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:25 pm

If this was a long standing problem, then TT as GM should have been dealing with this years ago. If he couldn't, then Murphy should have either stepped in, or replaced TT earlier. This situation should not have been allowed to fester like it did.

crkone · Post #915 » by **crkone** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:27 pm

I wonder how much power Murphy really did have in the organization until recently.

Post #916 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:28 pm

Yup, a competent GM would have made a big difference.

Iheartfootball · Post #917 » by **Iheartfootball** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:29 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Yup, a competent GM would have made a big difference.

And a good psychiatrist.

Post #918 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:31 pm

crkone wrote:I wonder how much power Murphy really did have in the organization until recently.

While technically Murphy has always had power over everyone he followed Harlan's strategy of letting the GM handle the football side while he handled the business side. Murphy was busy with the whole Titletown development. When he decided to replace Thompson he also decided to become directly involved in the football side. Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen.

Post #919 » by **humanrefutation** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:47 pm

As for Jennings and Finley, I'll just echo was what said in the article:

After dismissing anything Jennings and Finley say— "**** those guys"—one former coach says Rodgers has matured and dismisses the idea that he'd blow off anyone who can't match his IQ. He says Rodgers simply wants a coach "who isn't going to bull him" and expects Getsy, who was in Green Bay from 2014 to 2017 and spent last year at Mississippi State, to be precisely that.

Treebeard · Post #920 » by **Treebeard** » Thu Apr 4, 2019 8:00 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:
crkone wrote:I wonder how much power Murphy really did have in the organization until recently.

While technically Murphy has always had power over everyone he followed Harlan's strategy of letting the GM handle the football side while he handled the business side. Murphy was busy with the whole Titletown development. When he decided to replace Thompson he also decided to become directly involved in the football side. Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen.

So, in hindsight, the overwatch of Thompson by the board/ Murphy was not nearly as effective as it could have been? Everybody was working in their own respective silos and didn't challenge any deterioration, or even stagnation in working relationships and results. (I know that's an oversimplification, but it seems to match the nugget of what we're hearing now)