2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Cut Day Saturday

[crkone]

I wonder how much power Murphy really did have in the organization until recently.

While technically Murphy has always had power over everyone he followed Harlan's strategy of letting the GM handle the football side while he handled the business side. Murphy was busy with the whole Titletown development. When he decided to replace Thompson he also decided to become directly involved in the football side. Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen.

So, in hindsight, the overwatch of Thompson by the board/ Murphy was not nearly as effective as it could have been? Everybody was working in their own respective silos and didn't challenge any deterioration, or even stagnation in working relationships and results. (I know that's an oversimplification, but it seems to match the nugget of what we're hearing now)

That's kinda what I was wondering. Was he hired and told to "stay in his lane" by the board?

[humanrefutation]

It's a fine line with how much you want your owner/board to meddle in football operations. We spent 30 years complaining about Herb Kohl with the Bucks. There's also a sense of loyalty that Murphy probably felt towards Thompson - you don't want to overreact and can a guy who crafted the roster than won a Super Bowl. So, you'll afford him a longer leash.

But someone like Ball/Wolf/Gute or another guy in player personnel should have noticed some signs of deterioration in TT's health and alerted Murphy that **** was slipping.

[MickeyDavis]

don't think the board told him that specifically. Having a "football guy" handle that side worked great with Wolf and early on with Thompson. While Murphy played football his background as an AD was mostly administrative. Murphy/Thompson was set up like Harlan/Wolf. The difference is that Wolf stepped aside and Thompson stayed on too long. There were reports of Thompson and his health not being good for awhile before Murphy made the change.

Murphy is 64. If Gute/LeFleur are a bust it's likely Murphy will "retire" and a whole new regime will come in.

[emunney]

Infuriating reading that article and realizing that TT was not only botching drafts toward the end, but also not performing his other critical managerial role basically throughout his tenure. The one where he actually is attuned to the organization and, you know, MANAGING IT.

[Iheartfootball]

Infuriating reading that article and realizing that TT was not only botching drafts toward the end, but also not performing his other critical managerial role basically throughout his tenure. The one where he actually is attuned to the organization and, you know, MANAGING IT.

Based on what I've read he wasn't mentally competent to do any of it. If that's the case someone should have been in oversight of the whole operation. I mean, who manages TT? I would think it's Alfred E. Neuman, I mean Murphy.

So they had the two most important players responsible for the product on the field in a toxic relationship. The guy overseeing them was mentally incompetent. And the guy overseeing him not doing that because he was tied up with Titletown. The board had no idea.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Sneaking massage therapists up the back stairway was very Krafty of McCarthy.

[tski1972]

no winners in this article. bad look all around.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Another interesting piece of the article is that Rodgers and McCarthy just let the resentments simmer and never addressed them. Conflict avoidance at its finest and when the pressure is so high as it is in professional sports it's toxic to the entire team. All of this makes complete sense the more I digest it. Any other outcome would have been shocking.

They both felt powerless over their situation because no one was really in charge. They avoided addressing that and it started a vicious cycle of passive aggressive behavior. It was a very toxic relationship that no one intervened on. Rodgers sounds to me like someone who is on the intellectual level of someone incredibly bright but in his teens when it comes to emotional IQ.

It's not just Rodgers and MM. Other players and front office execs (Murphy) were culpable. This is where Mark Murphy's role comes into play. He should have been the guy monitoring this and addressing as well. His part is important as well. Otherwise this will just happen again until there is honesty about conflict at the organizational level.

I recently read "Quiet" by Susan Cain which is about how introverts are oftentimes overlooked and disregarded and I can say with almost 100% confidence that Rodgers is a certified introvert. By their very nature, introverts dislike conflict and prefer, in a lot of instances, to being alone or with a very small group of people rather than be in crowds. I'm not saying this explains all of Rodgers issues but I can totally see why he might seem snobbish or aloof when he's just more comfortable being separated from people.

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[MAC1987]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay

Sweet Jesus

That article gives me little hope for the future. Rodgers is even more of a diva than I realized.

I can put up with the diva business as long as he can perform. The ability of La Fleur and Rogers to be on the same page is really going to be watched closely in the beginning.

I'm half way through the article. And so far I've read some things early on during the winning years that AROD already thought MM was dumb and was upset that MM didnt draft him and thought Alex was better. Comments about AROD having a big head, etc....

But than I got to the parts about MM being lazy, complacent, getting massages, not paying attention to the defense in practice.

I'm not done yet reading this. But how do you come out of that talking about AROD being a Diva, when the coach is doing what he was doing?

How dedicated AROD was and is, how do you say Rodgers is a diva for saying things like "that's a stupid fing playcall" to his coach? Because guess what? It was a stupid playcall. And if MM was not fully dedicated, AROD was on his own out there.

The article says Van Pelt was not given a contract because MM was threatened by him.

AROD 100% did not play his all last year because he wanted MM fired and it finally happened. And I respect AROD even more.

How is AROD a diva in that situation with MM as coach? I'm interested in your opinions because I may have missed something. I mean some players in the article said he had a big head and ppl around him was telling him that. But I just see a pist of QB with some very good reasons to be pist.

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[BJ Sandered]

I haven't read the article myself yet, but it sounds like it confirms what most of us knew/suspected.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If the Packers and Rodgers are good next year I really can't wait for the Rodgers interviews where he throws super shade at people. You know he's reading all these articles and making a burn list

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[MAC1987]

Its amazing how people can read that article and think any party listed is absolved of blame.

When you're changing 1/3 of the plays in the huddle and putting young WRs in a position where they either need to follow what the QB says and then get yanked off the field for not running the designed route or following what the coaches say and never seeing the ball theres plenty of blame to go around

Then again it's the internet so people will read what they want and disregard everything else

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Exactly. It's far more nuanced than just one person. Sounds like there were many dysfunctional relationships, which, given the egos, spotlight, and money involved make me wonder how most franchises don't have similar issues. Feels like the Bucks/Brewers situations are probably the exception and not the norm.

This sums it up some of that nuance for me:

'One ex-Packers scout puts it on both. He describes Rodgers as an arrogant quarterback quick to blame everyone but himself—one who's "not as smart as he thinks he is"—yet kindly points out that McCarthy basically quit on his team.'

when did AROD start not listening to MM? And doing what he wanted? Before or after MM was getting massages and skipping team meetings?

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[HaroldinGMinor]

I haven't read the article myself yet, but it sounds like it confirms what most of us knew/suspected.

The McCarthy stuff was surprising.

[emunney]

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[MAC1987]

I don't really have a single issue with anything regarding Rodgers in this article.

He told Jennings to pound sand because he was dogging it in a contract year.

Had to deal with years of Mike Mccarthys literal garbage.

Won't argue the dude has an ego the size of Lambeau - but, um, he's kind of backed that up hasn't he?

I have a specific problem with the following quote: on Rodgers getting MM fired - "This s--t was terrible. He f--ked McCarthy over. Aaron undermined him."

That's garbage. Rodgers took care of what the organization for whatever reason couldn't do years ago which is ditch MM. This article proves that MM thought he was way better than he actually was.

I'll leave you all with this:

Can you imagine what Tom Brady would be like if he had to deal with 10 years of Mike Mccarthy instead of BB?

I can. He'd be Aaron Rodgers.

Thank you because I was getting frustrated with all the comments about AROD. You are spot on.

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[paulpressey25]

I’d have thought more of the article if Bob McGinn wrote it. Of course there will be axes to grind. All these guys have egos, NFL careers are short. The author is taking some legit issues and amping them up IMO.

In the end Ted Thompson lost Dorsey and Schneider as his 1a and 1b personnel guys. The teams personnel went in the **** and McCarthy and Rodgers both tried to overcome it but couldn’t.

I still really had a great time as a fan with that ten year run despite only one Super Bowl.

[Iheartfootball]

Another interesting piece of the article is that Rodgers and McCarthy just let the resentments simmer and never addressed them. Conflict avoidance at its finest and when the pressure is so high as it is in professional sports it's toxic to the entire team. All of this makes complete sense the more I digest it. Any other outcome would have been shocking.

They both felt powerless over their situation because no one was really in charge. They avoided addressing that and it started a vicious cycle of passive aggressive behavior. It was a very toxic relationship that no one intervened on. Rodgers sounds to me like someone who is on the intellectual level of someone incredibly bright but in his teens when it comes to emotional IQ.

It's not just Rodgers and MM. Other players and front office execs (Murphy) were culpable. This is where Mark Murphy's role comes into play. He should have been the guy monitoring this and addressing as well. His part is important as well. Otherwise this will just happen again until there is honesty about conflict at the organizational level.

I recently read "Quiet" by Susan Cain which is about how introverts are oftentimes overlooked and disregarded and I can say with almost 100% confidence that Rodgers is a certified introvert. By their very nature, introverts dislike conflict and prefer, in a lot of instances, to being alone or with a very small group of people rather than be in crowds. I'm not saying this explains all of Rodgers issues but I can totally see why he might seem snobbish or aloof when he's just more comfortable being separated from people.

Perhaps, but I think there are some underlying unresolved familial things going on there. I would love to get under the hood and see what's going on for Aaron. I see this all through a therapeutic lens though so take that with a grain of sand.

[Iheartfootball]

Its amazing how people can read that article and think any party listed is absolved of blame.

When you're changing 1/3 of the plays in the huddle and putting young WRs in a position where they either need to follow what the QB says and then get yanked off the field for not running the designed route or following what the coaches say and never seeing the ball theres plenty of blame to go around

Then again it's the internet so people will read what they want and disregard everything else

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Exactly. It's far more nuanced than just one person. Sounds like there were many dysfunctional relationships, which, given the egos, spotlight, and money involved make me wonder how most franchises don't have similar issues. Feels like the Bucks/Brewers situations are probably the exception and not the norm.

This sums it up some of that nuance for me:

'One ex-Packers scout puts it on both. He describes Rodgers as an arrogant quarterback quick to blame everyone but himself—one who's "not as smart as he thinks he is"—yet kindly points out that McCarthy basically quit on his team.'

when did AROD start not listening to MM? And doing what he wanted? Before or after MM was getting massages and skipping team meetings?

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I'm not sure what you mean? Does that mean it's okay for Rodgers to engage in passive aggressive behavior and not attend to being a team leader? Or am I missing your point?

I think MM is had just as much to do with the dysfunction as Rodgers, TT, Murphy, and the Board.

I don't think the quote I added that 'sums it up for me' is helpful in solving the problem. Blaming someone doesn't help anyone. It might bring up the conflict but if that's the focus it will only perpetuate more hurt feelings. Because I don't see MM or Rodgers with good, let alone any, boundaries.