Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[Saberestar]

Most depressing season of the post-Nash era

Yeah, this season has been the worst.

I miss even that 2011-12 Suns team.

That team had a 33W-33L record (short regular season) and was fun to watch with high class veteran guys like Nash, Hill, Frye and Michael Redd.

Those guys were awesome on and off the court, especially Nash/Hill. And we had good role players on their prime like Dudley, Frye and Gortat too.

****.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Most depressing season of the post-Nash era

Man, I had a hard time watching games at all in 2012-13. Down the stretch in 15-16 was rough, but not nearly as rough as 16-17 or 17-18.

I only started tuning out this year after Ayton went down. So... four games of unwatchable basketball, and the second halves of plenty of several games during that terrible 19-game stretch? At least we weren't being blown out by 50 every other night, as we were for stretches of the 17-18 season. How can anyone say this season is more depressing than that one?

At least throughout this season we've had glimmers of hope. Until last night, I could watch every game knowing that any signs of progress I watched on the court would be from players that will be part of the next great Suns team.

.... Kinda reminds me of 2003-04, after we dealt Marbury and closed out the season pretty nice with solid progress from Joe Johnson, Amare and Barbosa. When we added Nash, we weren't *really* as bad as the prior season's record indicated. I don't think we'll smash through next year the way that 2004-05 team did, but I do expect us to make huge progress if we can just bring back most of this squad, avoid injuries, add depth throughout the roster (replacing Daniels and Crawford/Jimmer with *actual NBA players* would be great), and add Zion, Clarke or Morant. If Zion or Clarke, add the best vet 1 or 1/2, and if Morant, the best vet 4 or 4/5, that you can via free agency or a Melton/Okobo or as part of a TJ trade. Pretty simple, seems to me!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Most depressing season of the post-Nash era

Yeah, this season has been the worst.

I miss even that 2011-12 Suns team.

That team had a 33W-33L record (short regular season) and was fun to watch with high class veteran guys like Nash, Hill, Frye and Michael Redd.

Those guys were awesome on and off the court, especially Nash/Hill. And we had good role players on their prime like Dudley, Frye and Gortat too.

****.

I hated that team. You knew we were going nowhere from the start. I was just counting down the days until we traded Nash and finally started over.

[BobbieL]

Most depressing season of the post-Nash era

Actually with McD gone, Igor as HC and the way I saw the team play at times, I feel good about this next year

[suns12345]

All this "trade TJ/dont trade TJ" talk is frustrating to me (and I agree with what you have said above)

I think you'd be silly not to see the value TJ has relative to his contract, as a shooter, as a scorer, as a versatile wing.

That being said, the fact he is valuable means he is the best piece we have to trade and fill other holes on the roster given the number of other wings we have. If we trade our low value guys (Jackson, bender), there is a 99% chance we get low value back - that's just how it works.

Bottom line in my view, trade TJ if there is a package that makes us better. Keep him if there isn't and find him minutes as he is a positive player. Trading him isn't a question of his value, his value is the reason you would consider trading him.

Too many people on here imo are confusing wanting to trade him with that meaning he is a bad player, or are justifying trading him in their minds by saying he is bad and is the reason we are losing. This isn't 2K, you cant just trade your junk players with no value for all stars.

Why not trade Booker or Ayton then? Their value is even higher.

Because they are the core of the team. Warren is a useful piece but he is not going to be the player that will make or break this team. As a matter of fact I dont believe that he can even shape the identity of this team. We have seen that from Johnson, Bridges, Jackson and Oubre we have a team that will create defensive havoc forcing the other team team into a lot of mistakes and turnovers. If TJ stays you can count on the Suns staying with the high scoring poor defense idea that they have had for 50 years.

Also if we lose TJ we have Oubre, Bridges, Jackson behind him.

If we lose booker we have no one, and if we lose ayton we have Holmes who I don't think can be a full time C

[KLEON]

Most depressing season of the post-Nash era

There was nothing worse than the 2012-2013 Suns

[Saberestar]

Most depressing season of the post-Nash era

Yeah, this season has been the worst.

I miss even that 2011-12 Suns team.

That team had a 33W-33L record (short regular season) and was fun to watch with high class veteran guys like Nash, Hill, Frye and Michael Redd.

Those guys were awesome on and off the court, especially Nash/Hill. And we had good role players on their prime like Dudley, Frye and Gortat too.

****.

I hated that team. You knew we were going nowhere from the start. I was just counting down the days until we traded Nash and finally started over.

And for the last six years AND COUNTING where are we going?

That was a pretty solid team IMO and that is why we had a .500. record.

I value a competitive/winning team a lot.

The team that we have now is terrible and can be even worse next season. Yeah...it is possible... Improvement is not a sure thing at all.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Yeah, this season has been the worst.

I miss even that 2011-12 Suns team.

That team had a 33W-33L record (short regular season) and was fun to watch with high class veteran guys like Nash, Hill, Frye and Michael Redd.

Those guys were awesome on and off the court, especially Nash/Hill. And we had good role players on their prime like Dudley, Frye and Gortat too.

****.

I hated that team. You knew we were going nowhere from the start. I was just counting down the days until we traded Nash and finally started over.

And for the last six years AND COUNTING where are we going?

That was a pretty solid team IMO and that is why we had a .500. record.

I value a competitive/winning team a lot.

The team that we have now is terrible and can be even worse next season. Yeah...it is possible... Improvement is not a sure thing at all.

We had almost 25 straight years of being better than that 2011-12 team. I personally did not find much joy in watching the Nash/Hill encore performance. I watched as least as much of Amare in New York that season.

[LukasBMW]

No surprise here:

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[LukasBMW]

Most depressing season of the post-Nash era

There was nothing worse than the 2012-2013 Suns

People forget just how bad that team was.

First year Nash was gone and that was depressing by its self. And then...check out this clown car lineup (It rivals Lebron's current supporting cast):


Shannon Brown
Diante Garrett
Marcin Gortat
Hamed Haddadi
Wesley Johnson
Kendall Marshall
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Jermaine O'Neal
Luis Scola
Sebastian Telfair


P.J. Tucker, Dragic, and Jared Dudley were the only guys you could watch. It was really bad.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Most depressing season of the post-Nash era

There was nothing worse than the 2012-2013 Suns

People forget just how bad that team was.

First year Nash was gone and that was depressing by its self. And then...check out this clown car lineup (It rivals Lebron's current supporting cast):


Shannon Brown
Diante Garrett
Marcin Gortat
Hamed Haddadi
Wesley Johnson
Kendall Marshall
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Jermaine O'Neal
Luis Scola
Sebastian Telfair


P.J. Tucker, Dragic, and Jared Dudley were the only guys you could watch. It was really bad.

I remember Dragic playing pretty well, but not great, that year. I was blown away by how good he looked the following season (and for several years after that).

I never could get invested in Dragic, though, because I knew we had such a long way to go that I thought he'd inevitably have to be shipped out. Obviously his tenure here glows in hindsight because of the PG play that followed with Bledsore, goodKnight, Tiny Ulis, Isaiah Canaaaw and Michael Jordan James.

[lilfishi22]

With Book out we just may finish below Cleveland. At 3 it’s possible to fall to 7 where both Garland and Clarke could be off the board. I see Hunter as BPA at 7 followed by Hayes. We really need to finish top 6.

pretty sure the Suns are locked into the top 3 for odds no matter what happens

If Booker does have a sprained ankle and not a "sprained ankl" wink wink - shut him down


As for the GM role - Jones mentioned to Gambo and Burns - I don't think it will be Paxson or Mchale
I don't think it will be a young guy like Langdon

The positioning in the top 3 matters. For example if 2 and 3 don’t land a top 4 pick from lottery, 2 will finish ahead of 3

does it? I thought odds were completely even between the top 3 so it doesn't matter if a team outside the top 3 move into there.

[Blonde]

I say this was the most depressing year because this was supposed to be the season we took a step forward, and instead we’re right back in the bottom of the standings again. It gets exhausting. We were supposed to be the up and coming young team but instead a bunch of other young teams jumped us in their rebuild: Kings, Mavs, Nets, Hawks. Constant injuries to our key players, playing another full season without a starting caliber point guard, a #1 pick who is extremely frustrating at times. It all compounded to make this season pretty dreadful.

I had tons of opportunities to attend games this year but just couldn’t bring myself to go. The only game I went to was the opener and I told my friend “why does it feel like this will be the highlight of the season...” I didn’t expect to be right about that.

[Crives]

pretty sure the Suns are locked into the top 3 for odds no matter what happens

If Booker does have a sprained ankle and not a "sprained ankl" wink wink - shut him down


As for the GM role - Jones mentioned to Gambo and Burns - I don't think it will be Paxson or Mchale
I don't think it will be a young guy like Langdon

The positioning in the top 3 matters. For example if 2 and 3 don’t land a top 4 pick from lottery, 2 will finish ahead of 3

does it? I thought odds were completely even between the top 3 so it doesn't matter if a team outside the top 3 move into there.

The odds of a top 4 pick for the top 3 teams are the same. But after top 4 are determined, the remaining spots are determined by record. So 2nd worst can fall to 6th and 3rd worth can drop to 7th.

[lilfishi22]

The positioning in the top 3 matters. For example if 2 and 3 don’t land a top 4 pick from lottery, 2 will finish ahead of 3

does it? I thought odds were completely even between the top 3 so it doesn't matter if a team outside the top 3 move into there.

The odds of a top 4 pick for the top 3 teams are the same. But after top 4 are determined, the remaining spots are determined by record. So 2nd worst can fall to 6th and 3rd worth can drop to 7th.

Gotcha

Lotto odds have always confused me

[Revived]

Suns need a PF and PG. I don't buy this thing about drafting Morant and rolling with he and Tyler. Tyler Johnson was a better option than what the Suns had but I still think he would be at his best, and the teams best as the first guard off the bench. He can play the 1 next to Booker, or the 2 next to a PG.

So, with that - the Suns might be able to get PF in the draft with either Zion or Clarke. That still leaves the Suns with 6m of cap space for a PG. Now, they might be able to get a McConnell or somebody cheaper but they need an UPGRADE and that may mean cap space.

Its going to have to be either Josh for a future pick - but thats selling low. OR TJ Warren. But with his injury - who know is they will get fair value. That being said - fair value, who cares. Its time to win. Can't be worried about getting value for the sake of value and not improving the team

I do know the Suns were improved with Oubre & Tyler and would have been nice to see how they meshed with Warren. That being said, its time to push and get some W's.

Griffin interviewing with the Pelicans. Suns have been very quiet.

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ESPN slandering the Suns. . .again. What a surprise.

There’s not going to be many GMs okay with having the owner bringing in cows and goats to take a s**t in the GMs office.

Our best chance is to go after GM candidates who are vegetarians.

[lilfishi22]

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ESPN slandering the Suns. . .again. What a surprise.

And it isn't undeserved

[bwgood77]

Was talking with a TWolves fan today who mentioned the Suns should go for Tyus Jones, but was hoping they didn't and that he stays with the TWolves.

Last 11 games as starter:

30mpg, 11.5ppg, 47%FG, 43% 3pt, 81% FT, 2.3rpg, 6.7apg, 1.1to, 1spg

[Domejandro]

^Hard to say how much it would take for Minnesota not to resign him, but he is an insanely impactful player, he is a phenomenal defensive player.

[Kerrsed]

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ESPN slandering the Suns. . .again. What a surprise.

And it isn't undeserved

EXACTLY!

It wasnt even about the Suns, it was about the Wizards and their owner/GM. 5 minute clip and the Suns were talked about for about 30 seconds....so how exactly was that ESPN SLANDERING the Suns? All he (Windbag) stated was that everyone hates Sarver and people would rather take the Wizards job because of the owner over the Suns job because of the great young talent......something McGrady disagreed with.

An ESPN hit piece on the Suns?!?!? F'n comical if you believe that!That was nothing and nowhere close to being slander or ESPN just out to get us and tarnish our name.

And even if it was 5 minutes of Sarver hate, its well deserved. Does anyone really think that Sarver is liked around the league from a fan/player/coach/FO/League perspective? He's not. he deserves every bit of the hate/criticism he gets and more.