Bol Bol

[King Ken]

Trade Ja for what?

The jaxon Hayes over bolbol is ouch. It is a hawks kind of move though so I’d love to see it

Like we traded Luka, for prime assets. Trading back several slots and a prime young player like WCJ, Mikal Bridges etc. Where the return is of value.

Hayes fits our system. We play an uptempo system based on PDS players on the perimeter and movement bigs who screen, block shots and can shoot threes and finish at the rim. We don't give a damn about mid range shots or post ups.

Our big board as I see it is:

1. Zion
2. Trade Ja
3. R.J.
4. Cam
5. Trade Garland
6t. Hunter
6t. Hayes
6t. Clarke
9t. Bol
9t. Fernando

is this about the best player or fit? if you're just higher on the players above Bol then it's fine, but numerous of them would be worse fits for Atlanta.

The best player is the one that fits what we are doing and can reach his ceiling in that system.

Not to mention Cam is the best talent after the top 3 in this class. Not only is he the best talent but he is our best fit. It's a pretty obvious selection. We are a PDS perimeter based team. Those who fit that will be the best players for us.

Same for bigs and movement. We value movement, spacing, screening, versatility, and shooting. Size isn't a big issue for us, you don't have to be 265 for our system but you must be able to play in space and with pace.

Bol Bol talent is top 5 in this class. Langford and Little is top 10 but both likely want be top 5 and Langford and Little likely won't be a top 10 pick. There is more to the game than talent. Josh Smith would still be in the NBA if it was based on his natural talent.

[King Ken]

i would understand RJ over Bol but Reddish? no way.

Explain and consider the team you are talking about as well.

if it's Bol vs. Reddish then I don't need to consider the team. Reddish is just not close to Bol as a prospect where it would depend on fit.

No. Just no.

[clyde21]

Like we traded Luka, for prime assets. Trading back several slots and a prime young player like WCJ, Mikal Bridges etc. Where the return is of value.

Hayes fits our system. We play an uptempo system based on PDS players on the perimeter and movement bigs who screen, block shots and can shoot threes and finish at the rim. We don't give a damn about mid range shots or post ups.

Our big board as I see it is:

1. Zion
2. Trade Ja
3. R.J.
4. Cam
5. Trade Garland
6t. Hunter
6t. Hayes
6t. Clarke
9t. Bol
9t. Fernando

is this about the best player or fit? if you're just higher on the players above Bol then it's fine, but numerous of them would be worse fits for Atlanta.

The best player is the one that fits what we are doing and can reach his ceiling in that system.

Not to mention Cam is the best talent after the top 3 in this class. Not only is he the best talent but he is our best fit. It's a pretty obvious selection. We are a PDS perimeter based team. Those who fit that will be the best players for us.

Same for bigs and movement. We value movement, spacing, screening, versatility, and shooting. Size isn't a big issue for us, you don't have to be 265 for our system but you must be able to play in space and with pace.

Bol Bol talent is top 5 in this class. Langford and Little is top 10 but both likely want be top 5 and Langford and Little likely won't be a top 10 pick. There is more to the game than talent. Josh Smith would still be in the NBA if it was based on his natural talent.

Bol Bol is top 5 in almost every class.

and it looks like we just disagree on the talent difference between Bol and Reddish which is fine, so we'll agree to disagree here. Either way I think Atlanta's strategy changes dramatically if they retain the Dallas pick or it goes back to Dallas.

[King Ken]

is this about the best player or fit? if you're just higher on the players above Bol then it's fine, but numerous of them would be worse fits for Atlanta.

The best player is the one that fits what we are doing and can reach his ceiling in that system.

Not to mention Cam is the best talent after the top 3 in this class. Not only is he the best talent but he is our best fit. It's a pretty obvious selection. We are a PDS perimeter based team. Those who fit that will be the best players for us.

Same for bigs and movement. We value movement, spacing, screening, versatility, and shooting. Size isn't a big issue for us, you don't have to be 265 for our system but you must be able to play in space and with pace.

Bol Bol talent is top 5 in this class. Langford and Little is top 10 but both likely want be top 5 and Langford and Little likely won't be a top 10 pick. There is more to the game than talent. Josh Smith would still be in the NBA if it was based on his natural talent.

Bol Bol is top 5 in almost every class.

and it looks like we just disagree on the talent difference between Bol and Reddish which is fine, so we'll agree to disagree here. Either way I think Atlanta's strategy changes dramatically if they retain the Dallas pick or it goes back to Dallas.

Bol
Nbadraft.net- not in the lottery
Espn - not in the top 10
Cbs - both had him outside of the top 10.


Atlanta strategy likely doesn't Include Bol at this time. Just doesn't fit our style of play but his talent is intriguing

[clyde21]

The best player is the one that fits what we are doing and can reach his ceiling in that system.

Not to mention Cam is the best talent after the top 3 in this class. Not only is he the best talent but he is our best fit. It's a pretty obvious selection. We are a PDS perimeter based team. Those who fit that will be the best players for us.

Same for bigs and movement. We value movement, spacing, screening, versatility, and shooting. Size isn't a big issue for us, you don't have to be 265 for our system but you must be able to play in space and with pace.

Bol Bol talent is top 5 in this class. Langford and Little is top 10 but both likely want be top 5 and Langford and Little likely won't be a top 10 pick. There is more to the game than talent. Josh Smith would still be in the NBA if it was based on his natural talent.

Bol Bol is top 5 in almost every class.

and it looks like we just disagree on the talent difference between Bol and Reddish which is fine, so we'll agree to disagree here. Either way I think Atlanta's strategy changes dramatically if they retain the Dallas pick or it goes back to Dallas.

Bol
Nbadraft.net- not in the lottery
Espn - not in the top 10
Cbs - both had him outside of the top 10.


Atlanta strategy likely doesn't Include Bol at this time. Just doesn't fit our style of play but his talent is intriguing

none of that means anything at this point...at one point all of these mocks had RJ as the #1 overall pick over Zion and I was laughing at it then and laughing at them now at where they're putting Bol...let's check back on that after workouts.

and I'm interested...how doesn't Bol fit your style? you'd know more about this than I would so I'm genuinely curious...

[King Ken]

Bol Bol is top 5 in almost every class.

and it looks like we just disagree on the talent difference between Bol and Reddish which is fine, so we'll agree to disagree here. Either way I think Atlanta's strategy changes dramatically if they retain the Dallas pick or it goes back to Dallas.

Bol
Nbadraft.net- not in the lottery
Espn - not in the top 10
Cbs - both had him outside of the top 10.


Atlanta strategy likely doesn't Include Bol at this time. Just doesn't fit our style of play but his talent is intriguing

none of that means anything at this point...at one point all of these mocks had RJ as the #1 overall pick over Zion and I was laughing at it then and laughing at them now at where they're putting Bol...let's check back on that after workouts.

and I'm interested...how doesn't Bol fit your style? you'd know more about this than I would so I'm genuinely curious...

Pace, its critical to be good in pace in our system.
Since he is not big like 255+, he would need to be a movement guy who is great at setting up screens or a PDS guy. Passing, dribble in space and shoot. He is more like KP, a tremendous offensive talent who is more of a face up, shoot and play through me type which doesn't fit Trae or John game. So he gets in the way yet doesn't add the defense in space value to justify it on the other end. He just doesn't fit our personnel.

I personally think of all of the top 5 teams, Cleveland is his best fit. They have a slow pace, they run their plays through the bigs when healthy and they don't switch everything. The Hawks just lack the fit for him unless his long term projection is more of a backup and that's not worth a top 10 pick for us.

[clyde21]

Bol
Nbadraft.net- not in the lottery
Espn - not in the top 10
Cbs - both had him outside of the top 10.


Atlanta strategy likely doesn't Include Bol at this time. Just doesn't fit our style of play but his talent is intriguing

none of that means anything at this point...at one point all of these mocks had RJ as the #1 overall pick over Zion and I was laughing at it then and laughing at them now at where they're putting Bol...let's check back on that after workouts.

and I'm interested...how doesn't Bol fit your style? you'd know more about this than I would so I'm genuinely curious...

Pace, its critical to be good in pace in our system.
Since he is not big like 255+, he would need to be a movement guy who is great at setting up screens or a PDS guy. Passing, dribble in space and shoot. He is more like KP, a tremendous offensive talent who is more of a face up, shoot and play through me type which doesn't fit Trae or John game. So he gets in the way yet doesn't add the defense in space value to justify it on the other end. He just doesn't fit our personnel.

I personally think of all of the top 5 teams, Cleveland is his best fit. They have a slow pace, they run their plays through the bigs when healthy and they don't switch everything. The Hawks just lack the fit for him unless his long term projection is more of a backup and that's not worth a top 10 pick for us.

i mean, almost everyone in the league it trying to up their pace and have already so if you don't think Bol fits in a fast pace environment then you probably don't think he fits in today's NBA at all.

you also have Hayes over Bol...how does Hayes fit in from on Atlanta better than Bol? it seems like you're just not a huge fan of Bol as a prospect which is perfectly fine, but I don't buy that he's not a good fit on Atlanta.

also I can't get behind Cam as a top 5 pick at all.

[King Ken]

none of that means anything at this point...at one point all of these mocks had RJ as the #1 overall pick over Zion and I was laughing at it then and laughing at them now at where they're putting Bol...let's check back on that after workouts.

and I'm interested...how doesn't Bol fit your style? you'd know more about this than I would so I'm genuinely curious...

Pace, its critical to be good in pace in our system.
Since he is not big like 255+, he would need to be a movement guy who is great at setting up screens or a PDS guy. Passing, dribble in space and shoot. He is more like KP, a tremendous offensive talent who is more of a face up, shoot and play through me type which doesn't fit Trae or John game. So he gets in the way yet doesn't add the defense in space value to justify it on the other end. He just doesn't fit our personnel.

I personally think of all of the top 5 teams, Cleveland is his best fit. They have a slow pace, they run their plays through the bigs when healthy and they don't switch everything. The Hawks just lack the fit for him unless his long term projection is more of a backup and that's not worth a top 10 pick for us.

i mean, almost everyone in the league it trying to up their pace and have already so if you don't think Bol fits in a fast pace environment then you probably don't think he fits in today's NBA at all.

you also have Hayes over Bol...how does Hayes fit in from on Atlanta better than Bol? it seems like you're just not a huge fan of Bol as a prospect which is perfectly fine, but I don't buy that he's not a good fit on Atlanta.

also I can't get behind Cam as a top 5 pick at all.

There is a difference. He can play where they have lower level NBA pace but Atlanta is a running team. They get it and go. Nothing slow, no rock pounding like Cleveland, Dallas or Utah.

Hayes is a movement player. He can screen, block shots, and his shooting form is very translatable. He just fits our system with elite athletic ability for his position and movement. He isn't an instant starter but last year prove, Atlanta doesn't give a damn about readiness to that degree.

It depends how you see what a top 5 pick is. For a number of bottom 5-7 teams, Cam is not even in the top 10 for their needs. For the Hawks, he is.

[clyde21]

Pace, its critical to be good in pace in our system.
Since he is not big like 255+, he would need to be a movement guy who is great at setting up screens or a PDS guy. Passing, dribble in space and shoot. He is more like KP, a tremendous offensive talent who is more of a face up, shoot and play through me type which doesn't fit Trae or John game. So he gets in the way yet doesn't add the defense in space value to justify it on the other end. He just doesn't fit our personnel.

I personally think of all of the top 5 teams, Cleveland is his best fit. They have a slow pace, they run their plays through the bigs when healthy and they don't switch everything. The Hawks just lack the fit for him unless his long term projection is more of a backup and that's not worth a top 10 pick for us.

i mean, almost everyone in the league it trying to up their pace and have already so if you don't think Bol fits in a fast pace environment then you probably don't think he fits in today's NBA at all.

you also have Hayes over Bol...how does Hayes fit in from on Atlanta better than Bol? it seems like you're just not a huge fan of Bol as a prospect which is perfectly fine, but I don't buy that he's not a good fit on Atlanta.

also I can't get behind Cam as a top 5 pick at all.

There is a difference. He can play where they have lower level NBA pace but Atlanta is a running team. They get it and go. Nothing slow, no rock pounding like Cleveland, Dallas or Utah.

i think you're underestimating his ability to run the floor but okay, we'll agree to disagree.

[Coeur]

Would hawks take all 3 Celtics 1sts for 4 or 5?


Sounds like if king Ken picked for hawks he really should just take reddish but would be way safer to trade back and take a big around 10


I hope that’s what the hawks do. I think most people want to see Dallas get a top couple pick and if they do maybe it is better for the hawks to be co conservative

[King Ken]

i mean, almost everyone in the league it trying to up their pace and have already so if you don't think Bol fits in a fast pace environment then you probably don't think he fits in today's NBA at all.

you also have Hayes over Bol...how does Hayes fit in from on Atlanta better than Bol? it seems like you're just not a huge fan of Bol as a prospect which is perfectly fine, but I don't buy that he's not a good fit on Atlanta.

also I can't get behind Cam as a top 5 pick at all.

There is a difference. He can play where they have lower level NBA pace but Atlanta is a running team. They get it and go. Nothing slow, no rock pounding like Cleveland, Dallas or Utah.

i think you're underestimating his ability to run the floor but okay, we'll agree to disagree.

It's okay at times. I watched his games when he was here. I wasn't overly impressed. Having speed and using it are two different things. Look at Embiid. He is fast but most of the time, he is slow or pacing himself. Let's act like he is Faried or Capela or ever close.

[observer1995]

Believe it or not, but King Ken honestly has the same attitude of most of us on the Hawks forum on Bol Bol. If you asked me about 4 and a half months ago, I would have been all over him, but as of now, I’m pass, pass, pass, and quadruple pass on Bol Bol, and I’m a Hawks fan as well.

The foot injury scares me, and he is very far from what the Hawks need at C on defense. Collins surprisingly is decent at defense down low, but where he’s bad is moving laterally on the perimeter, and Bol is bad at everything on defense except shotblocking right now.

I don’t see any pathway in which the Hawks draft him, and maybe even look at him, and maybe it’s another case where they’re being nuts, especially if Bol recovers and turns out to be a generational talent, but I’m extremely dubious about him.

[pad300]

I just read this whole thread, and I think there is something missing. Lots of comparisons to Thon Maker, and other recent prospects.
But as a ceiling, particularly offensively, how does Dirk Nowiztski grab you. Defensively, from pure length he could be even better... Admittedly, I'm not confident Bol will be able to hold up physically in the NBA, but a ceiling of an improved Dirk is pretty tempting.

[Stillwater]

Believe it or not, but King Ken honestly has the same attitude of most of us on the Hawks forum on Bol Bol. If you asked me about 4 and a half months ago, I would have been all over him, but as of now, I’m pass, pass, pass, and quadruple pass on Bol Bol, and I’m a Hawks fan as well.

The foot injury scares me, and he is very far from what the Hawks need at C on defense. Collins surprisingly is decent at defense down low, but where he’s bad is moving laterally on the perimeter, and Bol is bad at everything on defense except shotblocking right now.

I don’t see any pathway in which the Hawks draft him, and maybe even look at him, and maybe it’s another case where they’re being nuts, especially if Bol recovers and turns out to be a generational talent, but I’m extremely dubious about him.

Those are legit concerns for fit given his limitations with mobility and his weak frame etc. But I think it's safe to say if he provides clean medicals to high lottery teams he will probably be gone before the Hawks are on the clock anyway. And if his medicals are poor or at minimal red flagged with questions unanswered the Hawks and everyone else in the top 10 isn't touching him there.

[Ball4life32]

Believe it or not, but King Ken honestly has the same attitude of most of us on the Hawks forum on Bol Bol. If you asked me about 4 and a half months ago, I would have been all over him, but as of now, I’m pass, pass, pass, and quadruple pass on Bol Bol, and I’m a Hawks fan as well.

The foot injury scares me, and he is very far from what the Hawks need at C on defense. Collins surprisingly is decent at defense down low, but where he’s bad is moving laterally on the perimeter, and Bol is bad at everything on defense except shotblocking right now.

I don’t see any pathway in which the Hawks draft him, and maybe even look at him, and maybe it’s another case where they’re being nuts, especially if Bol recovers and turns out to be a generational talent, but I’m extremely dubious about him.

I’m obviously a Hawks fan but I don’t agree with all of this. First all of the advanced stats have Bol as plus or plus+ as far as Def rebounding, Def win shares, DBPM and Def rating so it’s not just the blocks. 2.7 BPG in less than 30 MPG while not fouling a lot though is impressive.

I do agree that Collins may be better suited to guard Centers. Bol is quicker than people give him credit for though. Bol-Collins frontcourt could potentially work defensively.

Offensively I think it’s a perfect fit. I don’t see how Dedmon or Len are that more mobile than Bol. Bol is/will be superior offensively to either.

Bol shot over 50% from 3 (small sample size) this year and i believe he shot over 50% from 3 in the Nike EYBL on 3-4+ 3’s a game. 7+ foot shot blocker + elite offensive efficiency + 3 point shooting is probably a dream for Schleck.

I understand the injury concerns (though young bigs with the same injury have been fine) but i would be all over Bol with one of the picks if we don’t get Zion as long as the medicals check out.

[observer1995]

Believe it or not, but King Ken honestly has the same attitude of most of us on the Hawks forum on Bol Bol. If you asked me about 4 and a half months ago, I would have been all over him, but as of now, I’m pass, pass, pass, and quadruple pass on Bol Bol, and I’m a Hawks fan as well.

The foot injury scares me, and he is very far from what the Hawks need at C on defense. Collins surprisingly is decent at defense down low, but where he’s bad is moving laterally on the perimeter, and Bol is bad at everything on defense except shotblocking right now.

I don’t see any pathway in which the Hawks draft him, and maybe even look at him, and maybe it’s another case where they’re being nuts, especially if Bol recovers and turns out to be a generational talent, but I’m extremely dubious about him.

I’m obviously a Hawks fan but I don’t agree with all of this. First all of the advanced stats have Bol as plus or plus+ as far as Def rebounding, Def win shares, DBPM and Def rating so it’s not just the blocks. 2.7 BPG in less than 30 MPG while not fouling a lot though is impressive.

I do agree that Collins may be better suited to guard Centers. Bol is quicker than people give him credit for though. Bol-Collins frontcourt could potentially work defensively.

Offensively I think it’s a perfect fit. I don’t see how Dedmon or Len are that more mobile than Bol. Bol is/will be superior offensively to either.

Bol shot over 50% from 3 (small sample size) this year and i believe he shot over 50% from 3 in the Nike EYBL on 3-4+ 3’s a game. 7+ foot shot blocker + elite offensive efficiency + 3 point shooting is probably a dream for Schleck.

I understand the injury concerns (though young bigs with the same injury have been fine) but i would be all over Bol with one of the picks if we don’t get Zion as long as the medicals check out.

I obviously said MOST, not all, as I heard at least 3 others on that forum that were Bol detractors.

I couldn't give a rat's *** about defensive stats, they get pumped up by blocks and rebounds on the sports reference page. You can trash them on him.

[Ball4life32]

Believe it or not, but King Ken honestly has the same attitude of most of us on the Hawks forum on Bol Bol. If you asked me about 4 and a half months ago, I would have been all over him, but as of now, I’m pass, pass, pass, and quadruple pass on Bol Bol, and I’m a Hawks fan as well.

The foot injury scares me, and he is very far from what the Hawks need at C on defense. Collins surprisingly is decent at defense down low, but where he’s bad is moving laterally on the perimeter, and Bol is bad at everything on defense except shotblocking right now.

I don’t see any pathway in which the Hawks draft him, and maybe even look at him, and maybe it’s another case where they’re being nuts, especially if Bol recovers and turns out to be a generational talent, but I’m extremely dubious about him.

I’m obviously a Hawks fan but I don’t agree with all of this. First all of the advanced stats have Bol as plus or plus+ as far as Def rebounding, Def win shares, DBPM and Def rating so it’s not just the blocks. 2.7 BPG in less than 30 MPG while not fouling a lot though is impressive.

I do agree that Collins may be better suited to guard Centers. Bol is quicker than people give him credit for though. Bol-Collins frontcourt could potentially work defensively.

Offensively I think it’s a perfect fit. I don’t see how Dedmon or Len are that more mobile than Bol. Bol is/will be superior offensively to either.

Bol shot over 50% from 3 (small sample size) this year and i believe he shot over 50% from 3 in the Nike EYBL on 3-4+ 3’s a game. 7+ foot shot blocker + elite offensive efficiency + 3 point shooting is probably a dream for Schleck.

I understand the injury concerns (though young bigs with the same injury have been fine) but i would be all over Bol with one of the picks if we don’t get Zion as long as the medicals check out.

I obviously said MOST, not all, as I heard at least 3 others on that forum that were Bol detractors.

I couldn't give a rat's *** about defensive stats, they get pumped up by blocks and rebounds on the sports reference page. You can trash them on him.

Ok I never said you said all hawks fans though...

Then what makes Bol bad at everything defensively except blocks?

[observer1995]

I’m obviously a Hawks fan but I don’t agree with all of this. First all of the advanced stats have Bol as plus or plus+ as far as Def rebounding, Def win shares, DBPM and Def rating so it’s not just the blocks. 2.7 BPG in less than 30 MPG while not fouling a lot though is impressive.

I do agree that Collins may be better suited to guard Centers. Bol is quicker than people give him credit for though. Bol-Collins frontcourt could potentially work defensively.

Offensively I think it’s a perfect fit. I don’t see how Dedmon or Len are that more mobile than Bol. Bol is/will be superior offensively to either.

Bol shot over 50% from 3 (small sample size) this year and i believe he shot over 50% from 3 in the Nike EYBL on 3-4+ 3’s a game. 7+ foot shot blocker + elite offensive efficiency + 3 point shooting is probably a dream for Schleck.

I understand the injury concerns (though young bigs with the same injury have been fine) but i would be all over Bol with one of the picks if we don’t get Zion as long as the medicals check out.

I obviously said MOST, not all, as I heard at least 3 others on that forum that were Bol detractors.

I couldn't give a rat's *** about defensive stats, they get pumped up by blocks and rebounds on the sports reference page. You can trash them on him.

Ok I never said you said all hawks fans though...

Then what makes Bol bad at everything defensively except blocks?

Poor lateral movement, lack of defensive awareness, and weak frame. If you want to get better as a team you likely have to avoid Collins on the perimeter as much as possible on defense, and drafting Bol would not avoid that. So it's just cumulative.

If you don't buy Collins as a long term piece, then sure, draft Bol, but from the way it looks, the team does.

[clyde21]

Believe it or not, but King Ken honestly has the same attitude of most of us on the Hawks forum on Bol Bol. If you asked me about 4 and a half months ago, I would have been all over him, but as of now, I’m pass, pass, pass, and quadruple pass on Bol Bol, and I’m a Hawks fan as well.

The foot injury scares me, and he is very far from what the Hawks need at C on defense. Collins surprisingly is decent at defense down low, but where he’s bad is moving laterally on the perimeter, and Bol is bad at everything on defense except shotblocking right now.

I don’t see any pathway in which the Hawks draft him, and maybe even look at him, and maybe it’s another case where they’re being nuts, especially if Bol recovers and turns out to be a generational talent, but I’m extremely dubious about him.

he'l give you above average rim protection similar to what Porzingis was providing the Knicks early...FYI, he has a better block rate and a much better DRTG than Hayes...in fact, his block rate and defensive rating is on par with with JJJ and Bamba from last year.

and this was just the first 9 games of the season, I think we can assume that he would've gotten even better as the season progressed.

[clyde21]

I obviously said MOST, not all, as I heard at least 3 others on that forum that were Bol detractors.

I couldn't give a rat's *** about defensive stats, they get pumped up by blocks and rebounds on the sports reference page. You can trash them on him.

Ok I never said you said all hawks fans though...

Then what makes Bol bad at everything defensively except blocks?

Poor lateral movement, lack of defensive awareness, and weak frame. If you want to get better as a team you likely have to avoid Collins on the perimeter as much as possible on defense, and drafting Bol would not avoid that. So it's just cumulative.

If you don't buy Collins as a long term piece, then sure, draft Bol, but from the way it looks, the team does.

his lateral movement for a guy at his height and length is not poor at all, and for a 'lack of defensive awareness', dude was averaging 3.6 blocks per 40 with an 86.7 DRTG. for reference, Jackson Jr. posted an 86.4 DRTG last year.

agreed on the frame part, and that's probably what's keeping him from being the 2nd best player in this draft.