Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk)

[Bar Fight]

People really hate Paul Pierce man. Everything he says gets mocked. They don't even hear what he says and if his points are valid. Just pure hatred. That championship must have hurt a lot of people.

I love Paul and I do think he gets bagged on too much, but saying he's had a better career than Wade is kind of nuts (although I'm not knocking him for believing it, no great player is gonna admit anyone is better than them). He should honestly keep comments like that to himself

[KGtabake]

People really hate Paul Pierce man. Everything he says gets mocked. They don't even hear what he says and if his points are valid. Just pure hatred. That championship must have hurt a lot of people.

I love Paul and I do think he gets bagged on too much, but saying he's had a better career than Wade is kind of nuts (although I'm not knocking him for believing it, no great player is gonna admit anyone is better than them). He should honestly keep comments like that to himself

The point though is that this can be a great topic for discussion. And it isn't because people hate him.
He didn't say anything wrong. He didn't discredit or disrespect Wade, he made some valid arguments imo
I don't agree with him either but people acting like this was the most absurd thing they've listened lately is nuts.

[djFan71]

Russ 3 seasons in a row with averaging a triple double. Dang.

[truth18]

People really hate Paul Pierce man. Everything he says gets mocked. They don't even hear what he says and if his points are valid. Just pure hatred. That championship must have hurt a lot of people.

I love Paul and I do think he gets bagged on too much, but saying he's had a better career than Wade is kind of nuts (although I'm not knocking him for believing it, no great player is gonna admit anyone is better than them). He should honestly keep comments like that to himself

He is an analyst now. This is what they do in modern times--use hyperbole to incite discussion of their platform (and the topic obviously).

Wade is incredibly overrated imo. Iverson was better regardless of his flaws. He did way more with so much less than Wade had in his finals squads. West is probably a more impactful player overall, he's the **** logo of the league. Clyde was incredible at his peak as well and probably comparable. Wade needed help from two of the best players of all time and mob lines to win it all and pad his stats. If Klay wins five or more championships he's probably ahead of him too.

[Bar Fight]

People really hate Paul Pierce man. Everything he says gets mocked. They don't even hear what he says and if his points are valid. Just pure hatred. That championship must have hurt a lot of people.

I love Paul and I do think he gets bagged on too much, but saying he's had a better career than Wade is kind of nuts (although I'm not knocking him for believing it, no great player is gonna admit anyone is better than them). He should honestly keep comments like that to himself

He is an analyst now. This is what they do in modern times--use hyperbole to incite discussion of their platform (and the topic obviously).

Wade is incredibly overrated imo. Iverson was better regardless of his flaws. He did way more with so much less than Wade had in his finals squads. West is probably a more impactful player overall, he's the **** logo of the league. Clyde was incredible at his peak as well and probably comparable. Wade needed help from two of the best players of all time and mob lines to win it all and pad his stats. If Klay wins five or more championships he's probably ahead of him too.

Agree to disagree I guess. I think peak Wade (08-09 season) was on par with Kobe and Lebron. He also has one of the better Finals performances ever. I would take him over all the players you mentioned tbh. His career accomplishments are definitely padded by his years with Lebron, but he was the best player on a championship team in '06

[djFan71]

I love Paul and I do think he gets bagged on too much, but saying he's had a better career than Wade is kind of nuts (although I'm not knocking him for believing it, no great player is gonna admit anyone is better than them). He should honestly keep comments like that to himself

He is an analyst now. This is what they do in modern times--use hyperbole to incite discussion of their platform (and the topic obviously).

Wade is incredibly overrated imo. Iverson was better regardless of his flaws. He did way more with so much less than Wade had in his finals squads. West is probably a more impactful player overall, he's the **** logo of the league. Clyde was incredible at his peak as well and probably comparable. Wade needed help from two of the best players of all time and mob lines to win it all and pad his stats. If Klay wins five or more championships he's probably ahead of him too.

Agree to disagree I guess. I think peak Wade (08-09 season) was on par with Kobe and Lebron. He also has one of the better Finals performances ever. I would take him over all the players you mentioned tbh. His career accomplishments are definitely padded by his years with Lebron, but he was the best player on a championship team in '06

Him and his whistlebuddies.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Pierce would have at least 3 titles if he had Wade's teams..not sure he would have beat Dallas that one year..that was maybe the greatest individual performance I've ever seen one player have alone in the finals..but he would have been pretty competitive also. I think LeBron's teams would have been unstoppable with Pierce instead of Wade. A lot of what Wade could do, Pierce could like slashing and the whole mid range game, getting to the ft line..but that 3 pt shot was something Wade would never touch Paul on and would fit great with LeBron.

I don't think he was better than Wade at the end of the day..Wade's peak was absurd..but I think Pierce was better for longer and his career totals pretty much tell you that. Don't think what he said is at all absurd. Reality is Pierce was one KG injury away from a threepeat..maybe even 4 in a row..and that would obviously really change people's view on him and I think it really hurts him that he will never get the credit he truly deserves because he never got the luck guys like Kobe and Wade had.

[La Flame]

D-Whistle is a dirty scumbag and I wish he'd retire already so ppl stop talking about him

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Paul Pierce just watched his employer offer Stephen A. Smith $10 million/year and now you expect him to not say some outlandish **** that won't go viral? Paul is just playing a new game nowadays and seems to be good at it, based on the amount of hate he's getting. Guy even got Wade and his wife to respond. He's good at trolling.

[truth18]

I love Paul and I do think he gets bagged on too much, but saying he's had a better career than Wade is kind of nuts (although I'm not knocking him for believing it, no great player is gonna admit anyone is better than them). He should honestly keep comments like that to himself

He is an analyst now. This is what they do in modern times--use hyperbole to incite discussion of their platform (and the topic obviously).

Wade is incredibly overrated imo. Iverson was better regardless of his flaws. He did way more with so much less than Wade had in his finals squads. West is probably a more impactful player overall, he's the **** logo of the league. Clyde was incredible at his peak as well and probably comparable. Wade needed help from two of the best players of all time and mob lines to win it all and pad his stats. If Klay wins five or more championships he's probably ahead of him too.

Agree to disagree I guess. I think peak Wade (08-09 season) was on par with Kobe and Lebron. He also has one of the better Finals performances ever. I would take him over all the players you mentioned tbh. His career accomplishments are definitely padded by his years with Lebron, but he was the best player on a championship team in '06

[ConstableGeneva]

Whoever faces the Nets in the 1st round won't have a fun time. Like Indy, they're well-coached and play hard, but unlike Indy, they have guys that can spread the floor and wax hot at anytime.

Edit: Grabbed the crucial win vs. a Giannis-less Bucks in Milwaukee.

[KGtabake]

lol at the Bucks being "very good" without the freak.
No Antetokounmpo no party again for the Bucks.
Weak loss by the Nets inside Milwaukee. They have some pretty stupid loses against Magic, Cavs, Hawks.
No Antetokounmpo should not be excuse for them for these games if they are a championship team.
Ofc that loss just like the previous ones, just justifies why Giannis was the MVP this season.
Good for him but they should be troubled from what they are showing out there without him against weak competition.
Without him they are a first round exit again.
It's like they can't defend or rebound at all without him. Jared freakin' Dudley had a party under the rim tonight lol

[K For Three]

Bucks remind me a bit of the 2010 Cavs now, Lebron even got MVP that year.

And we know what happened in the playoffs.....

[K For Three]

Finally watched the Pierce video thing that has a million people talking about it. In a way I feel bad for Pierce since I think he has to defend himself a lot and the fact he didn't get more then 1 ring and the reasons why. (not everyone looks at the big picture)

Not a big D Wade fan either, never was. I have had about enough of his retirement jersey swapping tour.

[KGtabake]

Bucks remind me a bit of the 2010 Cavs now, Lebron even got MVP that year.

And we know what happened in the playoffs.....

We know what will happen again
Maybe i'm overreacting a bit but i did watch the entire game against the Nets.
Good role players that can't get it going without the star.
I really really like Bledsoe but he doesn't play well against us. We are into his head
That's their second best player. If he can't get it going, we got this.
Middleton will be exposed this season. Most overrated wing in the league by a mile.
Lopez will be unplayable, Brogdon will be out....we got this!
Ante is a top-7 player and Budenolzer is not Kidd but i feel very confident.
C's rise at the right time certainly helps

[Triple7]

People really hate Paul Pierce man. Everything he says gets mocked. They don't even hear what he says and if his points are valid. Just pure hatred. That championship must have hurt a lot of people.

I love Paul and I do think he gets bagged on too much, but saying he's had a better career than Wade is kind of nuts (although I'm not knocking him for believing it, no great player is gonna admit anyone is better than them). He should honestly keep comments like that to himself

I agree with this. He should have kept comments like that to himself. I don’t know if its insecurity or maybe he despises wade that much, but comments like this, would really expose himself to criticisms. I personally think wade is the better individual player. He’s considered at one point, the best in the league together with lebron and kobe. Pierce on the other hand, is the more effective teammate. I doubt he cracked top 5 his entire career. This ain’t a jab on pierce, and i hated wade when we played against them, but that is just the truth I admire pierce’s confidence though, you still could see his competitiveness even when retired. Gotta admire that.

[Triple7]

Finally watched the Pierce video thing that has a million people talking about it. In a way I feel bad for Pierce since I think he has to defend himself a lot and the fact he didn't get more then 1 ring and the reasons why. (not everyone looks at the big picture)

Not a big D Wade fan either, never was. I have had about enough of his retirement jersey swapping tour.

Not a fan of this whole year retirement send off either. He better retire after this

[Captain_Caveman]

Finally watched the Pierce video thing that has a million people talking about it. In a way I feel bad for Pierce since I think he has to defend himself a lot and the fact he didn't get more then 1 ring and the reasons why. (not everyone looks at the big picture)

Not a big D Wade fan either, never was. I have had about enough of his retirement jersey swapping tour.

In a resume argument, Pierce loses.

But he is not wrong about why. In terms of quality and ability, they are extremely comparable guys if you account for who they played with and when.

[exculpatory]

[quote="BRUNiNHO91"]Pierce would have at least 3 titles if he had Wade's teams..not sure he would have beat Dallas that one year..that was maybe the greatest individual performance I've ever seen one player have alone in the finals..but he would have been pretty competitive also. I think LeBron's teams would have been unstoppable with Pierce instead of Wade. A lot of what Wade could do, Pierce could like slashing and the whole mid range game, getting to the ft line..but that 3 pt shot was something Wade would never touch Paul on and would fit great with LeBron.

I don't think he was better than Wade at the end of the day.
(Only sentence with which I disagree.)

Wade's peak was absurd..but I think Pierce was better for longer and his career totals pretty much tell you that. Don't think what he said is at all absurd. Reality is Pierce was one KG injury away from a threepeat..maybe even 4 in a row..and that would obviously really change people's view on him and I think it really hurts him that he will never get the credit he truly deserves because he never got the luck guys like Kobe and Wade had.[/quote]

I agree with every word my long time bud Bruno has written above in his thoughtful post - EXCEPT for the sentence in red.

First ballot HOFER/TOP FOUR 15 year Celtic Legend/Finals MVP/Top 30-40 NBA PLAYER ALL TIME - most definitely, the MOST underrated SUPER STAR of his generation:

*26,397 points & the FIFTEENTH leading scorer in NBA history!!! (2 more points than Hondo);
*FOURTH in NBA history in 3 point shots made (2141);
*One of THREE players in NBA history with >25K points (26,397), >7000 rebounds (7527), >4000 assists (4708) & >1500 steals (1752) in 1343 games (1102 as a Celtic) & 45,880 minutes played (40,360 as a Celtic);
*Arguably the most clutch player of his generation with COUNTLESS/INNUMERABLE end of game daggers & game winners (and I personally witnessed 3 of those daggers - in DC twice & at MSG);
*Career: TS% 57%; Overall FG% 45%; 3 point % 37%;
*Finals MVP 2008 (& should have won 2 more titles in 2010 [Game 7 STILL HURTS] & 2009);
*Led the league in most points scored in the 4th quarter numerous times;
*Scored 2,000+ points in a season 4 times & 1760+ points 6 times;
*In 10 games for the Wizards in the POs in 2015 - AT AGE 37 1/2:
15 PPG on 49% & TS% 68% & 52% from 3 (33-63 - most of them MEGA-CLUTCH) & 4.2RPG playing only 30 MPG & attempting only 10 FGAs per game;
MAGNIFICENT & supernatural clutchness at ANY AGE - let alone at the geriatric basketball age of 37 1/2!

AND (with assist from RealGM poster - Big Baby):
- COUNTLESS daggers and game winners. COUNTLESS.
- Led the league in most points scored in the 4th quarter numerous times.
- Scored 2,000+ points in a season multiple times.
- 31 points in his first ever playoff game.
- 46 points in Game 5 (in the best of five) against Iverson's Sixers who went to the Finals the year before. Iverson never beat Pierce after that with or without Iguodala.
- 41 points in Game 7 against Jebron Lames.
- 38 points in Game 5 of the 2008 Finals against the Lakers. Would've clinched Banner 17 that night had anyone else shown up.
- Pierce gets injured and the Celtics lose 17 straight games in 2007. Record losing streak ends once Pierce returns.
- 46 points IN THE SECOND HALF against the Nets.
- Eliminated/outplayed Iverson, Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, TMac, Vince Carter and all other anointed ones during his career.
- Never went for 50 except once against LBJ but could always be counted on to score 25-35 every night and hit the dagger.

And anyone anywhere who thinks what Paul said was “nuts” or “absurd” & not worthy of a robust & honest conversation 1) should be ridiculed for their indescribable ignorance; & 2) can **** themselves in the orifice of their choosing with a very large, rusty, clostridia tetani-infested spoon.

[BRUNiNHO91]

I don't think he was better than Wade at the end of the day.
(Only sentence with which I disagree.)

I agree with every word my long time bud Bruno has written above in his thoughtful post - EXCEPT for the sentence in red.

First ballot HOFER/TOP FOUR 15 year Celtic Legend/Finals MVP/Top 30-40 NBA PLAYER ALL TIME - most definitely, the MOST underrated SUPER STAR of his generation:

*26,397 points & the FIFTEENTH leading scorer in NBA history!!! (2 more points than Hondo);
*FOURTH in NBA history in 3 point shots made (2141);
*One of THREE players in NBA history with >25K points (26,397), >7000 rebounds (7527), >4000 assists (4708) & >1500 steals (1752) in 1343 games (1102 as a Celtic) & 45,880 minutes played (40,360 as a Celtic);
*Arguably the most clutch player of his generation with COUNTLESS/INNUMERABLE end of game daggers & game winners (and I personally witnessed 3 of those daggers - in DC twice & at MSG);
*Career: TS% 57%; Overall FG% 45%; 3 point % 37%;
*Finals MVP 2008 (& should have won 2 more titles in 2010 [Game 7 STILL HURTS] & 2009);
*Led the league in most points scored in the 4th quarter numerous times;
*Scored 2,000+ points in a season 4 times & 1760+ points 6 times;
*In 10 games for the Wizards in the POs in 2015 - AT AGE 37 1/2:
15 PPG on 49% & TS% 68% & 52% from 3 (33-63 - most of them MEGA-CLUTCH) & 4.2RPG playing only 30 MPG & attempting only 10 FGAs per game;
MAGNIFICENT & supernatural clutchness at ANY AGE - let alone at the geriatric basketball age of 37 1/2!

AND (with assist from RealGM poster - Big Baby):
- COUNTLESS daggers and game winners. COUNTLESS.
- Led the league in most points scored in the 4th quarter numerous times.
- Scored 2,000+ points in a season multiple times.
- 31 points in his first ever playoff game.
- 46 points in Game 5 (in the best of five) against Iverson's Sixers who went to the Finals the year before. Iverson never beat Pierce after that with or without Iguodala.
- 41 points in Game 7 against Jebron Lames.
- 38 points in Game 5 of the 2008 Finals against the Lakers. Would've clinched Banner 17 that night had anyone else shown up.
- Pierce gets injured and the Celtics lose 17 straight games in 2007. Record losing streak ends once Pierce returns.
- 46 points IN THE SECOND HALF against the Nets.
- Eliminated/outplayed Iverson, Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, TMac, Vince Carter and all other anointed ones during his career.
- Never went for 50 except once against LBJ but could always be counted on to score 25-35 every night and hit the dagger.

And anyone anywhere who thinks what Paul said was “nuts” or “absurd” & not worthy of a robust & honest conversation 1) should be ridiculed for their indescribable ignorance; & 2) can **** themselves in the orifice of their choosing with a very large, rusty, clostridia tetani-infested spoon.

Ex my man. Glad to have you join this convo. Was kind of hoping to see you on the GB thread about it lol..those guys are so pathetic.


Anyways..I think prime Wade was an animal..his peak season was absurd. 30/7/5..Paul's best season numbers wise was his 27/5/6 season. So I do think peak Wade shined a tad bit brighter than Pierce did..but career wise..I'm fully on board with Pierce's being right up there. Pierce was better for longer. The only thing he doesn't have to show for it is the rings..but Wade also wouldn't have those rings if he didn't play with James and that was the main point Pierce made. There is no debate there. Again.. if KG doesn't go down, you're looking at, at least a 2x2 ring count with us beating Miami for the ring in 2012 game 7. But at that stage, Boston probably already has another 2 in the bag. From 09 and 2010.


Boston was easily the most cursed super team..you look at the health Golden State has had and Miami had for 4 seasons..we had health for one. And we won going away..Pierce was always better than his ring count shows..where Wade was probably never as good as the 3 that he got. Wade playing with a top 3 best player of all time certainly helped his cause and I see no surprise in Pierce thinking he would also have won those rings with James. Because he would have. Not sure why people like Gabrielle Union are spitting fire as if that wasn't truth.


If you look at the Celtics team that went 7 with Miami in 2012..just off the top of my head I think LeBron and Bosh were 28, Wade was 30..Pierce was 35, Allen 37 and KG 36.

Can you imagine a 35 year old Wade trying to hang with a 30 year old Pierce? Would it be as close? Not likely. I think that says it all about how great Pierce was.