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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
Total votes: 103

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2321 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:57 pm

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King Ken wrote:A Marcus Thornton level bucket getter who shoots from range with volume who has Josh Okogie like D at 6'9 and has very good PnR handler potential is extremely intriguing IN OUR SYSTEM. It's not that difficult to understand. Add this talent level and fluidity with our pace, having Trae and our playing style gives us tremendous potential.

He is a great athlete. Extremely fluid. Elite lateral quickness for his size and has tremendous feel for steals. Look, he clearly has limitations. A number of them you mentioned. But I'll interject when you are wrong.

As I've said, him and Bol Bol are both boom or bust prospects. Last year, it was Trae Young and Mo Bamba. Situations are KINGS for these talented but flawed players.

He has a very average first step. He’s not creating separation in the NBA. There’s at least 2 or 3 better PnR ball handlers in this draft (Culver and Langford).

The guy is not a shooter. His limitations actually take away from the impact he will have offensively. There’s just a bunch of wings out there who are better overall AND better fits.

I will say this though. After Hunter, Reddish is probably the best defender in the group.

I can’t wait for time to tell on this kid. I hope he does well, but I hope even more that we don’t draft him.

FWIW, Trae was never boom or bust in my eyes. He was the third best prospect in that draft in my eyes at the time. Future MVP. He and Ayton were the only guys I saw with that kind of potential.

No he doesn't, he has a very good first step and an excellent one for his size. He is just weak due to his lack of core strength. We seen this before with PG24 and Marvin but like PG, he has coordination and he is fluid while Marvin wasn't. We saw this with PG24 in his rookie year. He clearly has the 2nd best one for this class wings. Clarke clearly has an elite first step. Reddish 2nd and and 3rd step isn't much. He lacks explosiveness.

Lol, Culver is not a better PnR handler. He is a better playmaker but clearly not a better PnR handler. Reddish is ranked as one of the best in the country at it even if Coach K doesnt use it often for anyone not named R.J. including Tre and Zion who also ranks high. You saying saying **** at this point, the synergy and the data doesn't match this either.

Lol, are you serious? Of course he is a shooter. He is a bucket getter. What the hell are you watching? I am not going to waste my time with you. Your eye test is clearly lacking. You might be the new Diesel in that regard. I still remember Diesel trying to convince me Chris Kaman and Emeka Okafor is better than Al Horford due to rebounding.

When you start saying stupid **** like he is not a shooter and there are better fits. I lose all interest in taking you serious on Cam Reddish. I just hope this is a thing of player interest and not your logic on players in general.

Careful there bud. I’ve been keeping things cool because I ain’t trying to clown you. It’s just a damn shame all that time energy effort you spend watching tape and still don’t know what tf you’re looking at.

He’s a “bucket getter” playing off the two best players in college and shot...39%ish and averaged about 13 ppg. And I’m the one being ridiculous ? He’s not a great athlete other than being 6’8” with a big wing span. He’s not RJ or Morant or even Hunter level athletically.

You’re opinions are normally off the mark when evaluating prospects. I remember arguing you up and down about Luka being a forward and you swore dude was a PG (lol) despite the fact that he would never be able to defend on the perimeter to play that position. I remember arguing up and down about Trae being good before you finally came around. Humble yourself.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2322 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 4:02 pm

observer1995 wrote:I’ve said my piece here before, but you’re supposed to look at free throw percentage over three-point percentage with college players with the NBA line being deeper. If that were to bear out again, you’d probably see it come out to a mid-30s 3-point percentage immediately in the NBA with the possibility of projecting out to better, I’d say about 38-40% capped though.

However, that’s not really what I’ve looked at when talking about him. Maybe he becomes Paul George 3 years from now and I’ve been an idiot all along but right now if you draft him, you know you likely have a better 3 point shot than what we’ve seen because of free throw percentage, you know you have a tall and long guy (wait, based off the vs Orlando results over the full season and not just yesterday, we probably do need more lengthy guys), and you know you have a good defender. Everything else is a mystery. Potentially a terrifying mystery, or one that surprises and defies history.
That’s fair. You have to hope he becomes a more consistent shooter, but I agree it’s likely. The PG comparisons are terribly unfair to Reddish.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2323 » by marco102 » Sat Apr 6, 2019 4:07 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
observer1995 wrote:I’ve said my piece here before, but you’re supposed to look at free throw percentage over three-point percentage with college players with the NBA line being deeper. If that were to bear out again, you’d probably see it come out to a mid-30s 3-point percentage immediately in the NBA with the possibility of projecting out to better, I’d say about 38-40% capped though.

However, that’s not really what I’ve looked at when talking about him. Maybe he becomes Paul George 3 years from now and I’ve been an idiot all along but right now if you draft him, you know you likely have a better 3 point shot than what we’ve seen because of free throw percentage, you know you have a tall and long guy (wait, based off the vs Orlando results over the full season and not just yesterday, we probably do need more lengthy guys), and you know you have a good defender. Everything else is a mystery. Potentially a terrifying mystery, or one that surprises and defies history.
That’s fair. You have to hope he becomes a more consistent shooter, but I agree it’s likely. The PG comparisons are terribly unfair to Reddish.


To me reddish is just the best fit for the hawks when you consider upside. I really don't care about his offense because the young core already has that. I like him more for his defensive fit. If the offense comes around thats a plus!
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2324 » by personanongrata » Sat Apr 6, 2019 4:59 pm

Once you get past the top players this draft is basically a crap shoot. We are going to need lottery luck unfortunately.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2325 » by Geaux_Hawks » Sat Apr 6, 2019 5:08 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
King Ken wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:It’s mind blowing. It’s one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen when it comes to prospects. Dude is garbage guys. I have never seen someone get so much of a pass ever. He hasn’t shown much of anything college and has had opportunities. He’s not good off the ball, he’s a ball watcher movement wise, he’s not a good athlete, he’s an OK ball handler, he’s wildly inconsistent creating space for his own shot, he’s not much of a slasher, he’s not a good spot up shooter, he’s not really great as a pull up shooter, he doesn’t use his length to help finish, he’s not really a playmaker. It’s like he’s got good shooting form and defensive potential and that is it. I think it bothers me so much because I see absolutely nothing warranting lottery considerations. I can think of about 5 or 6 wings off the top of my head that should be drafted ahead of him.

A Marcus Thornton level bucket getter who shoots from range with volume who has Josh Okogie like D at 6'9 and has very good PnR handler potential is extremely intriguing IN OUR SYSTEM. It's not that difficult to understand. Add this talent level and fluidity with our pace, having Trae and our playing style gives us tremendous potential.

He is a great athlete. Extremely fluid. Elite lateral quickness for his size and has tremendous feel for steals. Look, he clearly has limitations. A number of them you mentioned. But I'll interject when you are wrong.

As I've said, him and Bol Bol are both boom or bust prospects. Last year, it was Trae Young and Mo Bamba. Situations are KINGS for these talented but flawed players.

He has a very average first step. He’s not creating separation in the NBA. There’s at least 2 or 3 better PnR ball handlers in this draft (Culver and Langford).

The guy is not a shooter. His limitations actually take away from the impact he will have offensively. There’s just a bunch of wings out there who are better overall AND better fits.

I will say this though. After Hunter, Reddish is probably the best defender in the group.

I can’t wait for time to tell on this kid. I hope he does well, but I hope even more that we don’t draft him.

FWIW, Trae was never boom or bust in my eyes. He was the third best prospect in that draft in my eyes at the time. Future MVP. He and Ayton were the only guys I saw with that kind of potential.


If you think he has an average first step, then you're really not watching him enough to see what kind of burst he has off the dribble. He's not blow by, explosively fast, but he's quick off the dribble, and uses his length to get to the rim. Durant & PG13 aren't explosive first step guys either, but they certainly do the same thing Cam does, and that's utilize their length and quickness as a combo. If you want to say he lacks explosiveness off the dribble, then fine, but to say he has a very average first step is a bit farfetched.

To help create separation, he can pull-up, step back, or spin move. He's shown those flashes throughout his college career. Some of the best offensive guys in college never develop any of those moves in college, and Cam has shown all 3, and has looked fluid doing so.

Culver a better PnR ball handler?!?!?!?? Culver can't do anything outside of a straight line drive consistently and fluidly. Culver barely does that well enough. Same can be said about Langford also. You're reaching hard here. Morant is probably the only other guy that's better as a PnR ball handler and he's a PG.

Not even going to address not being a shooter. Again, you're not watching enough of him. Even if he's not, his form is picture perfect almost to being one. Romeo Langford needs his entire shot recreated from the ground up, and I mean that literally.

I really wish this kid could have played as at least a 2nd option with more spacing. If he could have played at Va Tech, or Virginia or Auburn, we'd be talking about him differently.

Something people are overlooking, and I kinda just realized myself recently, is that Cam's actually a full year ahead of where he will need to be in the NBA. How so? He's basically already went through the stage of having to not be the lead guy, and be a role player in college. Very few rookies come into the league and play with the ball in their hands from day 1. Reddish now has the experience being a role player, and just needs to develop his game to be the actual 2nd initiator of an offense. You couldn't ask for a better fit next to Trae.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2326 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 5:25 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
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King Ken wrote:A Marcus Thornton level bucket getter who shoots from range with volume who has Josh Okogie like D at 6'9 and has very good PnR handler potential is extremely intriguing IN OUR SYSTEM. It's not that difficult to understand. Add this talent level and fluidity with our pace, having Trae and our playing style gives us tremendous potential.

He is a great athlete. Extremely fluid. Elite lateral quickness for his size and has tremendous feel for steals. Look, he clearly has limitations. A number of them you mentioned. But I'll interject when you are wrong.

As I've said, him and Bol Bol are both boom or bust prospects. Last year, it was Trae Young and Mo Bamba. Situations are KINGS for these talented but flawed players.

He has a very average first step. He’s not creating separation in the NBA. There’s at least 2 or 3 better PnR ball handlers in this draft (Culver and Langford).

The guy is not a shooter. His limitations actually take away from the impact he will have offensively. There’s just a bunch of wings out there who are better overall AND better fits.

I will say this though. After Hunter, Reddish is probably the best defender in the group.

I can’t wait for time to tell on this kid. I hope he does well, but I hope even more that we don’t draft him.

FWIW, Trae was never boom or bust in my eyes. He was the third best prospect in that draft in my eyes at the time. Future MVP. He and Ayton were the only guys I saw with that kind of potential.


If you think he has an average first step, then you're really not watching him enough to see what kind of burst he has off the dribble. He's not blow by, explosively fast, but he's quick off the dribble, and uses his length to get to the rim. Durant & PG13 aren't explosive first step guys either, but they certainly do the same thing Cam does, and that's utilize their length and quickness as a combo. If you want to say he lacks explosiveness off the dribble, then fine, but to say he has a very average first step is a bit farfetched.

To help create separation, he can pull-up, step back, or spin move. He's shown those flashes throughout his college career. Some of the best offensive guys in college never develop any of those moves in college, and Cam has shown all 3, and has looked fluid doing so.

Culver a better PnR ball handler?!?!?!?? Culver can't do anything outside of a straight line drive consistently and fluidly. Culver barely does that well enough. Same can be said about Langford also. You're reaching hard here. Morant is probably the only other guy that's better as a PnR ball handler and he's a PG.

Not even going to address not being a shooter. Again, you're not watching enough of him. Even if he's not, his form is picture perfect almost to being one. Romeo Langford needs his entire shot recreated from the ground up, and I mean that literally.

I really wish this kid could have played as at least a 2nd option with more spacing. If he could have played at Va Tech, or Virginia or Auburn, we'd be talking about him differently.

Something people are overlooking, and I kinda just realized myself recently, is that Cam's actually a full year ahead of where he will need to be in the NBA. How so? He's basically already went through the stage of having to not be the lead guy, and be a role player in college. Very few rookies come into the league and play with the ball in their hands from day 1. Reddish now has the experience being a role player, and just needs to develop his game to be the actual 2nd initiator of an offense. You couldn't ask for a better fit next to Trae.
Im not going to split hairs about over first step or being quick off the dribble and the difference between them. Either way, he’s not jumping off the page for me as someone with slashing ability or beating people off the dribble. He flashes little creative moves here and there, but to flash or to consistently do it and FINISH are two different things.

Again comparing this kid to KD or PG is ridiculous. It’s not a good look or comparison. The best one I’ve seen as far as size, style, and look is Rudy Gay. I still remember Gay being better in college.

Langford is a better pull up shooter, has shown the step back more, and more creative as a finisher. He’s done it more at better percentages. Offensively, if Reddish was the player Langford is he’d be the #2 pick.

Who really cares about form if the **** doesn’t go in the basket ?

All you guys can do in regards to Cam Reddish is hope and wish. The dude has shown waaaaaay more bad then good. All you can do is HOPE he puts it all together. Which is a scary thought when you take basketball skill out of the equation and realize he seems to have a really passive approach to the game.

Lol @ you trying to make his passive role player mentality into a plus. There are about 5 wings better than Cam Reddish in the draft right now.

Reddish should’ve went to a team where would’ve been lead dog. Remember we are swinging for the fences not for a safe roleplayer. I thought the goal is to take college stars and hope that star grows in the pros.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2327 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 5:44 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
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EazyRoc wrote:He has a very average first step. He’s not creating separation in the NBA. There’s at least 2 or 3 better PnR ball handlers in this draft (Culver and Langford).

The guy is not a shooter. His limitations actually take away from the impact he will have offensively. There’s just a bunch of wings out there who are better overall AND better fits.

I will say this though. After Hunter, Reddish is probably the best defender in the group.

I can’t wait for time to tell on this kid. I hope he does well, but I hope even more that we don’t draft him.

FWIW, Trae was never boom or bust in my eyes. He was the third best prospect in that draft in my eyes at the time. Future MVP. He and Ayton were the only guys I saw with that kind of potential.

No he doesn't, he has a very good first step and an excellent one for his size. He is just weak due to his lack of core strength. We seen this before with PG24 and Marvin but like PG, he has coordination and he is fluid while Marvin wasn't. We saw this with PG24 in his rookie year. He clearly has the 2nd best one for this class wings. Clarke clearly has an elite first step. Reddish 2nd and and 3rd step isn't much. He lacks explosiveness.

Lol, Culver is not a better PnR handler. He is a better playmaker but clearly not a better PnR handler. Reddish is ranked as one of the best in the country at it even if Coach K doesnt use it often for anyone not named R.J. including Tre and Zion who also ranks high. You saying saying **** at this point, the synergy and the data doesn't match this either.

Lol, are you serious? Of course he is a shooter. He is a bucket getter. What the hell are you watching? I am not going to waste my time with you. Your eye test is clearly lacking. You might be the new Diesel in that regard. I still remember Diesel trying to convince me Chris Kaman and Emeka Okafor is better than Al Horford due to rebounding.

When you start saying stupid **** like he is not a shooter and there are better fits. I lose all interest in taking you serious on Cam Reddish. I just hope this is a thing of player interest and not your logic on players in general.

Careful there bud. I’ve been keeping things cool because I ain’t trying to clown you. It’s just a damn shame all that time energy effort you spend watching tape and still don’t know what tf you’re looking at.

He’s a “bucket getter” playing off the two best players in college and shot...39%ish and averaged about 13 ppg. And I’m the one being ridiculous ? He’s not a great athlete other than being 6’8” with a big wing span. He’s not RJ or Morant or even Hunter level athletically.

You’re opinions are normally off the mark when evaluating prospects. I remember arguing you up and down about Luka being a forward and you swore dude was a PG (lol) despite the fact that he would never be able to defend on the perimeter to play that position. I remember arguing up and down about Trae being good before you finally came around. Humble yourself.

:nonono: I don't know where to start with this. It's all around awful.

You have zero evidence of anything you said about Cam Reddish. I won't entertain the other nonsense you said. It's just rah rah talk. Without HS up where I can discredit the nonsense you stated, its worthless for me to go back and fore on it. Then you got the nerves to say humble yourself :lol: you really digging yourself right now. You probably hit submit like :x

Back to Cam Reddish, you mentioned his FG% which was 39% which is awful for a draft graded prospect. Lets talk about it. Duke runs a simplify offense which is for R.J. and Zion to get the best position to score. That's the way Duke was setup. This means anyone outside of those two with be in largely spot up situations. Where Cam shined was in transition, in rhythm and when Duke runs their offense with him in mind particularly when they let him run a PnR where he is the best wing in this class via synergy. He was an elite volume three point shooter and even has he regressed was rated a very good volume three point shooter.

Where Cam struggled was without space, scoring in traffic, shooting within the perimeter with defensive pressure, finishing at the rim in traffic, attacking the paint and getting out of control in traffic being a charge drawing machine and shooting without being involved in the offense.

We didn't run a lot of actions for him. We definitely did give him a lot of actions. We did a lot of isolations for all of our players. This wasn't a benefit to Tre, Cam, AOC or Jack White. We simply didn't use Cam right but I think he would have had struggles at any school. The college game isn't is a benefit to Cam game.

You ask how is he a bucket getter. He can get it any kind of way. Pull ups, spots ups, off pin downs, first dribble, stepback, one dribble spin in between the legs with the stepback, he can score and shoot. His bag is massive. He can simply get Buckets.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2328 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 6:05 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:
King Ken wrote:A Marcus Thornton level bucket getter who shoots from range with volume who has Josh Okogie like D at 6'9 and has very good PnR handler potential is extremely intriguing IN OUR SYSTEM. It's not that difficult to understand. Add this talent level and fluidity with our pace, having Trae and our playing style gives us tremendous potential.

He is a great athlete. Extremely fluid. Elite lateral quickness for his size and has tremendous feel for steals. Look, he clearly has limitations. A number of them you mentioned. But I'll interject when you are wrong.

As I've said, him and Bol Bol are both boom or bust prospects. Last year, it was Trae Young and Mo Bamba. Situations are KINGS for these talented but flawed players.

He has a very average first step. He’s not creating separation in the NBA. There’s at least 2 or 3 better PnR ball handlers in this draft (Culver and Langford).

The guy is not a shooter. His limitations actually take away from the impact he will have offensively. There’s just a bunch of wings out there who are better overall AND better fits.

I will say this though. After Hunter, Reddish is probably the best defender in the group.

I can’t wait for time to tell on this kid. I hope he does well, but I hope even more that we don’t draft him.

FWIW, Trae was never boom or bust in my eyes. He was the third best prospect in that draft in my eyes at the time. Future MVP. He and Ayton were the only guys I saw with that kind of potential.


If you think he has an average first step, then you're really not watching him enough to see what kind of burst he has off the dribble. He's not blow by, explosively fast, but he's quick off the dribble, and uses his length to get to the rim. Durant & PG13 aren't explosive first step guys either, but they certainly do the same thing Cam does, and that's utilize their length and quickness as a combo. If you want to say he lacks explosiveness off the dribble, then fine, but to say he has a very average first step is a bit farfetched.

To help create separation, he can pull-up, step back, or spin move. He's shown those flashes throughout his college career. Some of the best offensive guys in college never develop any of those moves in college, and Cam has shown all 3, and has looked fluid doing so.

Culver a better PnR ball handler?!?!?!?? Culver can't do anything outside of a straight line drive consistently and fluidly. Culver barely does that well enough. Same can be said about Langford also. You're reaching hard here. Morant is probably the only other guy that's better as a PnR ball handler and he's a PG.

Not even going to address not being a shooter. Again, you're not watching enough of him. Even if he's not, his form is picture perfect almost to being one. Romeo Langford needs his entire shot recreated from the ground up, and I mean that literally.

I really wish this kid could have played as at least a 2nd option with more spacing. If he could have played at Va Tech, or Virginia or Auburn, we'd be talking about him differently.

Something people are overlooking, and I kinda just realized myself recently, is that Cam's actually a full year ahead of where he will need to be in the NBA. How so? He's basically already went through the stage of having to not be the lead guy, and be a role player in college. Very few rookies come into the league and play with the ball in their hands from day 1. Reddish now has the experience being a role player, and just needs to develop his game to be the actual 2nd initiator of an offense. You couldn't ask for a better fit next to Trae.

I have honestly no clue what EasyRoc is talking about on Cam Reddish. He is talking out of his ass on this one.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2329 » by Geaux_Hawks » Sat Apr 6, 2019 6:45 pm

EazyRoc wrote:Im not going to split hairs about over first step or being quick off the dribble and the difference between them. Either way, he’s not jumping off the page for me as someone with slashing ability or beating people off the dribble. He flashes little creative moves here and there, but to flash or to consistently do it and FINISH are two different things.

Again comparing this kid to KD or PG is ridiculous. It’s not a good look or comparison. The best one I’ve seen as far as size, style, and look is Rudy Gay. I still remember Gay being better in college.

Langford is a better pull up shooter, has shown the step back more, and more creative as a finisher. He’s done it more at better percentages. Offensively, if Reddish was the player Langford is he’d be the #2 pick.

Who really cares about form if the **** doesn’t go in the basket ?

All you guys can do in regards to Cam Reddish is hope and wish. The dude has shown waaaaaay more bad then good. All you can do is HOPE he puts it all together. Which is a scary thought when you take basketball skill out of the equation and realize he seems to have a really passive approach to the game.


I'm not comparing him directly to KD or PG. I'm saying the flashes he has shown will put you in mind of how those guys play. Anything he has shown flashes of look effortless. It's something you can say will actually translate to the NBA if he develops like he should. It's hard to consistently show what you can do when you're in an offense that features no spacing.

Again, put Cam anywhere else with some actual room to operate in, and we're having a different discussion. 7 of Cam's 12 shot attempts are 3 pointers. The rest are 2's, and if you watched Duke enough or at all, those 2's are more so deep 2's or mid range jumpers. Why? Because there's no where else to go beyond that point due to Zion, Barrett, Jones, or whoever can't force their man to defend the 3 point shot. When Cam has gotten to the rim, he's had to go around 2 or 3 guys to get there.

The same Romeo Langford who shot 27% from 3 on less volume? Yeah right. Romeo Langford with a step back?! Never seen it fall consistently. Rarely did it ever fall in the first place. When Duke needed a clutch 3, Cam has pulled up many times and knocked the shot down late in games or to start a run. Even with his own offensive game, Langford isn't in discussion for the #2 pick.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2330 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 6:53 pm

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King Ken wrote:No he doesn't, he has a very good first step and an excellent one for his size. He is just weak due to his lack of core strength. We seen this before with PG24 and Marvin but like PG, he has coordination and he is fluid while Marvin wasn't. We saw this with PG24 in his rookie year. He clearly has the 2nd best one for this class wings. Clarke clearly has an elite first step. Reddish 2nd and and 3rd step isn't much. He lacks explosiveness.

Lol, Culver is not a better PnR handler. He is a better playmaker but clearly not a better PnR handler. Reddish is ranked as one of the best in the country at it even if Coach K doesnt use it often for anyone not named R.J. including Tre and Zion who also ranks high. You saying saying **** at this point, the synergy and the data doesn't match this either.

Lol, are you serious? Of course he is a shooter. He is a bucket getter. What the hell are you watching? I am not going to waste my time with you. Your eye test is clearly lacking. You might be the new Diesel in that regard. I still remember Diesel trying to convince me Chris Kaman and Emeka Okafor is better than Al Horford due to rebounding.

When you start saying stupid **** like he is not a shooter and there are better fits. I lose all interest in taking you serious on Cam Reddish. I just hope this is a thing of player interest and not your logic on players in general.

Careful there bud. I’ve been keeping things cool because I ain’t trying to clown you. It’s just a damn shame all that time energy effort you spend watching tape and still don’t know what tf you’re looking at.

He’s a “bucket getter” playing off the two best players in college and shot...39%ish and averaged about 13 ppg. And I’m the one being ridiculous ? He’s not a great athlete other than being 6’8” with a big wing span. He’s not RJ or Morant or even Hunter level athletically.

You’re opinions are normally off the mark when evaluating prospects. I remember arguing you up and down about Luka being a forward and you swore dude was a PG (lol) despite the fact that he would never be able to defend on the perimeter to play that position. I remember arguing up and down about Trae being good before you finally came around. Humble yourself.

:nonono: I don't know where to start with this. It's all around awful.

You have zero evidence of anything you said about Cam Reddish. I won't entertain the other nonsense you said. It's just rah rah talk. Without HS up where I can discredit the nonsense you stated, its worthless for me to go back and fore on it. Then you got the nerves to say humble yourself :lol: you really digging yourself right now. You probably hit submit like :x

Back to Cam Reddish, you mentioned his FG% which was 39% which is awful for a draft graded prospect. Lets talk about it. Duke runs a simplify offense which is for R.J. and Zion to get the best position to score. That's the way Duke was setup. This means anyone outside of those two with be in largely spot up situations. Where Cam shined was in transition, in rhythm and when Duke runs their offense with him in mind particularly when they let him run a PnR where he is the best wing in this class via synergy. He was an elite volume three point shooter and even has he regressed was rated a very good volume three point shooter.

Where Cam struggled was without space, scoring in traffic, shooting within the perimeter with defensive pressure, finishing at the rim in traffic, attacking the paint and getting out of control in traffic being a charge drawing machine and shooting without being involved in the offense.

We didn't run a lot of actions for him. We definitely did give him a lot of actions. We did a lot of isolations for all of our players. This wasn't a benefit to Tre, Cam, AOC or Jack White. We simply didn't use Cam right but I think he would have had struggles at any school. The college game isn't is a benefit to Cam game.

You ask how is he a bucket getter. He can get it any kind of way. Pull ups, spots ups, off pin downs, first dribble, stepback, one dribble spin in between the legs with the stepback, he can score and shoot. His bag is massive. He can simply get Buckets.

:lol: But he doesn’t actually get buckets though
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Post#2331 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 6:59 pm

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EazyRoc wrote:Im not going to split hairs about over first step or being quick off the dribble and the difference between them. Either way, he’s not jumping off the page for me as someone with slashing ability or beating people off the dribble. He flashes little creative moves here and there, but to flash or to consistently do it and FINISH are two different things.

Again comparing this kid to KD or PG is ridiculous. It’s not a good look or comparison. The best one I’ve seen as far as size, style, and look is Rudy Gay. I still remember Gay being better in college.

Langford is a better pull up shooter, has shown the step back more, and more creative as a finisher. He’s done it more at better percentages. Offensively, if Reddish was the player Langford is he’d be the #2 pick.

Who really cares about form if the **** doesn’t go in the basket ?

All you guys can do in regards to Cam Reddish is hope and wish. The dude has shown waaaaaay more bad then good. All you can do is HOPE he puts it all together. Which is a scary thought when you take basketball skill out of the equation and realize he seems to have a really passive approach to the game.


I'm not comparing him directly to KD or PG. I'm saying the flashes he has shown will put you in mind of how those guys play. Anything he has shown flashes of look effortless. It's something you can say will actually translate to the NBA if he develops like he should. It's hard to consistently show what you can do when you're in an offense that features no spacing.

Again, put Cam anywhere else with some actual room to operate in, and we're having a different discussion. 7 of Cam's 12 shot attempts are 3 pointers. The rest are 2's, and if you watched Duke enough or at all, those 2's are more so deep 2's or mid range jumpers. Why? Because there's no where else to go beyond that point due to Zion, Barrett, Jones, or whoever can't force their man to defend the 3 point shot. When Cam has gotten to the rim, he's had to go around 2 or 3 guys to get there.

The same Romeo Langford who shot 27% from 3 on less volume? Yeah right. Romeo Langford with a step back?! Never seen it fall consistently. Rarely did it ever fall in the first place. When Duke needed a clutch 3, Cam has pulled up many times and knocked the shot down late in games or to start a run. Even with his own offensive game, Langford isn't in discussion for the #2 pick.
Cam isn’t in the convo for #2 either. What’s your point ?

Langford has been poor from 3, but at least he’s got an excuse (hand injury). Not to mention Langford is a waaaaaaay better pull up shooter. Way better offensively at just about every macro aspect other than shooting form ? He’s one of the best finishers in the country. One of the Best pull up shooter in the country. One of the best ISO scorers in the country. And dig this.. He actually has more assists than turnovers.

Cam is a scrub.
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Post#2332 » by Geaux_Hawks » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:02 pm

King Ken wrote:I have honestly no clue what EasyRoc is talking about on Cam Reddish. He is talking out of his ass on this one.


He's not using context at all. His opinion, like many others are these forums, overlooks the fact that Duke had 2 other players that needed the ball in their hands and couldn't provide spacing. Overlooks the flashes because they weren't consistent enough. If anything, he was only able to flash because he simply didn't have the opportunities to show the flashes more. Like people expect him to pick up the offense as soon as Zion or Barrett aren't producing, and it's ridiculous.
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Post#2333 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:03 pm

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EazyRoc wrote:Careful there bud. I’ve been keeping things cool because I ain’t trying to clown you. It’s just a damn shame all that time energy effort you spend watching tape and still don’t know what tf you’re looking at.

He’s a “bucket getter” playing off the two best players in college and shot...39%ish and averaged about 13 ppg. And I’m the one being ridiculous ? He’s not a great athlete other than being 6’8” with a big wing span. He’s not RJ or Morant or even Hunter level athletically.

You’re opinions are normally off the mark when evaluating prospects. I remember arguing you up and down about Luka being a forward and you swore dude was a PG (lol) despite the fact that he would never be able to defend on the perimeter to play that position. I remember arguing up and down about Trae being good before you finally came around. Humble yourself.

:nonono: I don't know where to start with this. It's all around awful.

You have zero evidence of anything you said about Cam Reddish. I won't entertain the other nonsense you said. It's just rah rah talk. Without HS up where I can discredit the nonsense you stated, its worthless for me to go back and fore on it. Then you got the nerves to say humble yourself :lol: you really digging yourself right now. You probably hit submit like :x

Back to Cam Reddish, you mentioned his FG% which was 39% which is awful for a draft graded prospect. Lets talk about it. Duke runs a simplify offense which is for R.J. and Zion to get the best position to score. That's the way Duke was setup. This means anyone outside of those two with be in largely spot up situations. Where Cam shined was in transition, in rhythm and when Duke runs their offense with him in mind particularly when they let him run a PnR where he is the best wing in this class via synergy. He was an elite volume three point shooter and even has he regressed was rated a very good volume three point shooter.

Where Cam struggled was without space, scoring in traffic, shooting within the perimeter with defensive pressure, finishing at the rim in traffic, attacking the paint and getting out of control in traffic being a charge drawing machine and shooting without being involved in the offense.

We didn't run a lot of actions for him. We definitely did give him a lot of actions. We did a lot of isolations for all of our players. This wasn't a benefit to Tre, Cam, AOC or Jack White. We simply didn't use Cam right but I think he would have had struggles at any school. The college game isn't is a benefit to Cam game.

You ask how is he a bucket getter. He can get it any kind of way. Pull ups, spots ups, off pin downs, first dribble, stepback, one dribble spin in between the legs with the stepback, he can score and shoot. His bag is massive. He can simply get Buckets.

:lol: But he doesn’t actually get buckets though


Wtf is an elite “volume 3pt shooter” ? Either you can shoot the 3 or not. Even if you’re being generous, 33% on high volume is only OK.

Dude probably scored 1 or 2 bucks All season the way you’re describing and you pulled your pom poms out.

I’m also going to drop a knowledge bomb on you since you keep bringing up.

Mostly ALL wings look good in transition and in rythm

Cam is a scrub.
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Post#2334 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:06 pm

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King Ken wrote:I have honestly no clue what EasyRoc is talking about on Cam Reddish. He is talking out of his ass on this one.


He's not using context at all. His opinion, like many others are these forums, overlooks the fact that Duke had 2 other players that needed the ball in their hands and couldn't provide spacing. Overlooks the flashes because they weren't consistent enough. If anything, he was only able to flash because he simply didn't have the opportunities to show the flashes more. Like people expect him to pick up the offense as soon as Zion or Barrett aren't producing, and it's ridiculous.
Zion missed like 5 games this season and Reddish didn’t emerge AT all.

You hit the nail on the head with your next sentence. “Flashing” doesn’t mean much without consistency.

It’s funny because somewhere way back in the thread I even mention Duke being a poor fit. I was low key anxious to see what he was going to do with Zion out. It was underwhelming..
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Post#2335 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:20 pm

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King Ken wrote: :nonono: I don't know where to start with this. It's all around awful.

You have zero evidence of anything you said about Cam Reddish. I won't entertain the other nonsense you said. It's just rah rah talk. Without HS up where I can discredit the nonsense you stated, its worthless for me to go back and fore on it. Then you got the nerves to say humble yourself :lol: you really digging yourself right now. You probably hit submit like :x

Back to Cam Reddish, you mentioned his FG% which was 39% which is awful for a draft graded prospect. Lets talk about it. Duke runs a simplify offense which is for R.J. and Zion to get the best position to score. That's the way Duke was setup. This means anyone outside of those two with be in largely spot up situations. Where Cam shined was in transition, in rhythm and when Duke runs their offense with him in mind particularly when they let him run a PnR where he is the best wing in this class via synergy. He was an elite volume three point shooter and even has he regressed was rated a very good volume three point shooter.

Where Cam struggled was without space, scoring in traffic, shooting within the perimeter with defensive pressure, finishing at the rim in traffic, attacking the paint and getting out of control in traffic being a charge drawing machine and shooting without being involved in the offense.

We didn't run a lot of actions for him. We definitely did give him a lot of actions. We did a lot of isolations for all of our players. This wasn't a benefit to Tre, Cam, AOC or Jack White. We simply didn't use Cam right but I think he would have had struggles at any school. The college game isn't is a benefit to Cam game.

You ask how is he a bucket getter. He can get it any kind of way. Pull ups, spots ups, off pin downs, first dribble, stepback, one dribble spin in between the legs with the stepback, he can score and shoot. His bag is massive. He can simply get Buckets.

:lol: But he doesn’t actually get buckets though


Wtf is an elite “volume 3pt shooter” ? Either you can shoot the 3 or not. Even if you’re being generous, 33% on high volume is only OK.

Dude probably scored 1 or 2 bucks All season the way you’re describing and you pulled your pom poms out.

I’m also going to drop a knowledge bomb on you since you keep bringing up.

Mostly ALL wings look good in transition and in rythm

Cam is a scrub.

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2336 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:21 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:
King Ken wrote:I have honestly no clue what EasyRoc is talking about on Cam Reddish. He is talking out of his ass on this one.


He's not using context at all. His opinion, like many others are these forums, overlooks the fact that Duke had 2 other players that needed the ball in their hands and couldn't provide spacing. Overlooks the flashes because they weren't consistent enough. If anything, he was only able to flash because he simply didn't have the opportunities to show the flashes more. Like people expect him to pick up the offense as soon as Zion or Barrett aren't producing, and it's ridiculous.
Zion missed like 5 games this season and Reddish didn’t emerge AT all.

You hit the nail on the head with your next sentence. “Flashing” doesn’t mean much without consistency.

It’s funny because somewhere way back in the thread I even mention Duke being a poor fit. I was low key anxious to see what he was going to do with Zion out. It was underwhelming..

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Post#2337 » by jayu70 » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:25 pm

(I'll preface by saying, I haven't watched 1 minute of cbball), but I don't get the idea of calling a college freshman a scrub.

I get that a certain player may not be the perfect fit for the Hawks, but ALL these prospects are flawed amd the hope is that whatever weaknesses they have now, they'll be able to work on them in the NBA.
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Post#2338 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:25 pm

personanongrata wrote:Once you get past the top players this draft is basically a crap shoot. We are going to need lottery luck unfortunately.

I was way more optimistic early on then now. After Zion, RJ, and Morant no one really jumps off the screen as a potential star anymore.
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Post#2339 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:26 pm

jayu70 wrote:(I'll preface by saying, I haven't watched 1 minute of cbball), but I don't get the idea of calling a college freshman a scrub.

I get that a certain player may not be the perfect fit for the Hawks, but ALL these prospects are flawed amd the hope is that whatever weaknesses they have now, they'll be able to work on them in the NBA.

Hyperbole. I still think he’s a first rounder, but vastly overrated.
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Post#2340 » by jayu70 » Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:26 pm

Atlanta Hawks: 13 Players Hawks Could Select in 2019 NBA Draft

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2019/04/06/atlanta-hawks-13-players-2019-nba-draft/

This was interesting.
Who would be your 5 picks? Are they missing anyone?

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