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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
Total votes: 103

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2381 » by pacehawk » Sun Apr 7, 2019 1:26 am

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gurpilo wrote:For me is between Cam and Culver, whoever is available or convince us more. I think Cam might be the better player at the end but Culver is showing really tremendous potential. Consolation prize is Hunter, I would not consider anyone else.

Then we need a Center and is between Bol and Hayes, my vote is for Bol if we check health is not an issue.

Culver or Reddish, Bol or Hayes, I am happy.


I would be ok with those selections but personally I would prefer Coby White over Culver or Reddish. But, I do like the Bol pick with the Hawks (Mavericks!) 2nd 1st Round pick (And, I thought I was the ONLY crazy Hawks fan that wanted to see them pick Bol Bol!!!)!

Coby White? The PG? :o

Explain?


I know both of my choices seem strange but after watching some of Cody White’s highlights it seems to me he could play the Combo Guard for the Hawks and fit in well with the Hawks fast pace/3 pt system! He is 6’5” and quick and can score from anywhere on the court! Just another Sharpshooter for the Hawks explosive offense! And, IF (Big, IF!) Bol can stay Healthy and get Stronger I think he will be the steal of the Draft! A 7’2” player that can shoot 3’s (And, Pretty well at that!) who can also rebound and block shots (But, Again, He will need to get stronger!) I think Bol could be a great addition to the Hawks team! I know VERY Strange Picks and believe me when I say that I know that I am NO expert but I do like those 2 players!
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2382 » by personanongrata » Sun Apr 7, 2019 1:35 am

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I would be ok with those selections but personally I would prefer Coby White over Culver or Reddish. But, I do like the Bol pick with the Hawks (Mavericks!) 2nd 1st Round pick (And, I thought I was the ONLY crazy Hawks fan that wanted to see them pick Bol Bol!!!)!

Coby White? The PG? :o

Explain?


I know both of my choices seem strange but after watching some of Cody White’s highlights it seems to me he could play the Combo Guard for the Hawks and fit in well with the Hawks fast pace/3 pt system! He is 6’5” and quick and can score from anywhere on the court! Just another Sharpshooter for the Hawks explosive offense! And, IF (Big, IF!) Bol can stay Healthy and get Stronger I think he will be the steal of the Draft! A 7’2” player that can shoot 3’s (And, Pretty well at that!) who can also rebound and block shots (But, Again, He will need to get stronger!) I think Bol could be a great addition to the Hawks team! I know VERY Strange Picks and believe me when I say that I know that I am NO expert but I do like those 2 players!


Fine by me. If the top wings are gone, don't reach for a mediocre one. Take the most talented player on the board.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2383 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 7, 2019 1:48 am

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King Ken wrote:
pacehawk wrote:
I would be ok with those selections but personally I would prefer Coby White over Culver or Reddish. But, I do like the Bol pick with the Hawks (Mavericks!) 2nd 1st Round pick (And, I thought I was the ONLY crazy Hawks fan that wanted to see them pick Bol Bol!!!)!

Coby White? The PG? :o

Explain?


I know both of my choices seem strange but after watching some of Cody White’s highlights it seems to me he could play the Combo Guard for the Hawks and fit in well with the Hawks fast pace/3 pt system! He is 6’5” and quick and can score from anywhere on the court! Just another Sharpshooter for the Hawks explosive offense! And, IF (Big, IF!) Bol can stay Healthy and get Stronger I think he will be the steal of the Draft! A 7’2” player that can shoot 3’s (And, Pretty well at that!) who can also rebound and block shots (But, Again, He will need to get stronger!) I think Bol could be a great addition to the Hawks team! I know VERY Strange Picks and believe me when I say that I know that I am NO expert but I do like those 2 players!

Needs the ball, 6'6 wingspan, decent but not good defender and can only cover PGs. I think he has some potential as a 6th man in our system but you can get so much more out of him than we can.

That said, I get your logic. Your going best player available by your big board. I understand and get it.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2384 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 7, 2019 1:55 am

Notes from this game:
Winston has NBA level quickness and feel. He might not being a starting rotation player at this stage, you can looking at a modern Sherman Douglas.

Tariq Owens is a game changing defender in the college level. I been prasing him for months and rightfully so. Doesn't translate but damnit, he is good!

Culver is struggling with MSU which is what I expect, they do a tremendous job of taking away your best or two best players. That said, I never really thought he was that talented. Skilled and crafty player but can't beat anyone off the dribble, lacks range, poor shooting motion, not explosive and struggles to finish in traffic. Loves the left bar to push off. Right dominant without the talent R.J. has to get away with being left dominant.

Then again, I been saying this about Culver, I didn't need his struggles to prove it. Tremendous college Basketball player nonetheless.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2385 » by Indyhawks26 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 1:57 am

So far after watching the 1st game and 1st half of 2nd Hunter or Culver have not impressed me.You'd one of these players would seperate himself from the pack .Reddish, Hunter,Culver (at least this game) nothing special.I wonder if the Hawks would throw alot of money at JJ Redick to play shoot guard.He's not a long term answer but really not many options.Coby White is intriguing although more of a point guard but can hit an outside shot.Bol Bol and Clarke are 2 of my fav players doubt Hawks would draft both if not one.Lets hope the ping pong balls go the Hawks way this time.After Zion,Morant and Barrett its a crap shoot.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2386 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 7, 2019 2:01 am

Indyhawks26 wrote:So far after watching the 1st game and 1st half of 2nd Hunter or Culver have not impressed me.You'd one of these players would seperate himself from the pack .Reddish, Hunter,Culver (at least this game) nothing special.I wonder if the Hawks woild throw alot of money at JJ Redick to play shoot guard.He's not a long term answer but really not many options.Coby White is intriguing although more of a point guard but can hit an outside shot.Bol Bol and Clarke are 2 of my fav players doubt Hawks would draft both if not one.Lets hope the ping pong balls go the Hawks way this time.After Zion,Morant and Barrett its a crap shoot.

I don't know what yall expected. People like me who been watching all year and not reading a **** stat sheet been telling you guys that after R.J., Ja and Zion, this draft is low on NBA ready studs. This isn't like 2018. This is becoming a strong PG draft class. Garland and White both are NBA ready and have low end All star potential. A number of quality PGs are in the 2nd round like Jerome, Winston, Edward's, Tre Jones, Markus Howard. But if you need wings or bigs, expect them to be raw or just lack complete all star potential. Hunter = Otto Porter like is the safest bet but for us it's a no brainer, Cam Reddish. He fits perfectly. Its his best fit and ours.

I love Clarke but his transition to SF will take some time even with a very high ceiling while Cam has a higher ceiling and fits already. To me, this class for the Hawks is Zion, trade Ja, R.J. and Cam. Nothing else makes a lot of sense other than Hayes and Fernando
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2387 » by Nathan2331 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 2:39 am

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Indyhawks26 wrote:So far after watching the 1st game and 1st half of 2nd Hunter or Culver have not impressed me.You'd one of these players would seperate himself from the pack .Reddish, Hunter,Culver (at least this game) nothing special.I wonder if the Hawks woild throw alot of money at JJ Redick to play shoot guard.He's not a long term answer but really not many options.Coby White is intriguing although more of a point guard but can hit an outside shot.Bol Bol and Clarke are 2 of my fav players doubt Hawks would draft both if not one.Lets hope the ping pong balls go the Hawks way this time.After Zion,Morant and Barrett its a crap shoot.

I don't know what yall expected. People like me who been watching all year and not reading a **** stat sheet been telling you guys that after R.J., Ja and Zion, this draft is low on NBA ready studs. This isn't like 2018. This is becoming a strong PG draft class. Garland and White both are NBA ready and have low end All star potential. A number of quality PGs are in the 2nd round like Jerome, Winston, Edward's, Tre Jones, Markus Howard. But if you need wings or bigs, expect them to be raw or just lack complete all star potential. Hunter = Otto Porter like is the safest bet but for us it's a no brainer, Cam Reddish. He fits perfectly. Its his best fit and ours.

I love Clarke but his transition to SF will take some time even with a very high ceiling while Cam has a higher ceiling and fits already. To me, this class for the Hawks is Zion, trade Ja, R.J. and Cam. Nothing else makes a lot of sense other than Hayes and Fernando


You don't think Bol makes any sense for us? As bad of a defender as he was at times at Oregon, I think he could become a great drop defender in the NBA if he puts the work in. His offensive talent makes it worth taking the chance if his foot injury heals up.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2388 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 7, 2019 2:44 am

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Indyhawks26 wrote:So far after watching the 1st game and 1st half of 2nd Hunter or Culver have not impressed me.You'd one of these players would seperate himself from the pack .Reddish, Hunter,Culver (at least this game) nothing special.I wonder if the Hawks woild throw alot of money at JJ Redick to play shoot guard.He's not a long term answer but really not many options.Coby White is intriguing although more of a point guard but can hit an outside shot.Bol Bol and Clarke are 2 of my fav players doubt Hawks would draft both if not one.Lets hope the ping pong balls go the Hawks way this time.After Zion,Morant and Barrett its a crap shoot.

I don't know what yall expected. People like me who been watching all year and not reading a **** stat sheet been telling you guys that after R.J., Ja and Zion, this draft is low on NBA ready studs. This isn't like 2018. This is becoming a strong PG draft class. Garland and White both are NBA ready and have low end All star potential. A number of quality PGs are in the 2nd round like Jerome, Winston, Edward's, Tre Jones, Markus Howard. But if you need wings or bigs, expect them to be raw or just lack complete all star potential. Hunter = Otto Porter like is the safest bet but for us it's a no brainer, Cam Reddish. He fits perfectly. Its his best fit and ours.

I love Clarke but his transition to SF will take some time even with a very high ceiling while Cam has a higher ceiling and fits already. To me, this class for the Hawks is Zion, trade Ja, R.J. and Cam. Nothing else makes a lot of sense other than Hayes and Fernando


You don't think Bol makes any sense for us? As bad of a defender as he was at times at Oregon, I think he could become a great drop defender in the NBA if he puts the work in. His offensive talent makes it worth taking the chance if his foot injury heals up.

He doesn't play the way LP wants to play defense and offensively he doesn't set screens, is lazy in movement. We put a premium on movement and screens as we are built around Trae. He just doesn't fit. He needs a great fit. Like Cam Reddish. He needs to land in the right spot or you looking at a backup.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2389 » by Nathan2331 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 2:50 am

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King Ken wrote:I don't know what yall expected. People like me who been watching all year and not reading a **** stat sheet been telling you guys that after R.J., Ja and Zion, this draft is low on NBA ready studs. This isn't like 2018. This is becoming a strong PG draft class. Garland and White both are NBA ready and have low end All star potential. A number of quality PGs are in the 2nd round like Jerome, Winston, Edward's, Tre Jones, Markus Howard. But if you need wings or bigs, expect them to be raw or just lack complete all star potential. Hunter = Otto Porter like is the safest bet but for us it's a no brainer, Cam Reddish. He fits perfectly. Its his best fit and ours.

I love Clarke but his transition to SF will take some time even with a very high ceiling while Cam has a higher ceiling and fits already. To me, this class for the Hawks is Zion, trade Ja, R.J. and Cam. Nothing else makes a lot of sense other than Hayes and Fernando


You don't think Bol makes any sense for us? As bad of a defender as he was at times at Oregon, I think he could become a great drop defender in the NBA if he puts the work in. His offensive talent makes it worth taking the chance if his foot injury heals up.

He doesn't play the way LP wants to play defense and offensively he doesn't set screens, is lazy in movement. We put a premium on movement and screens as we are built around Trae. He just doesn't fit. He needs a great fit. Like Cam Reddish. He needs to land in the right spot or you looking at a backup.


Is LP's defense set in stone to say it can't adapt. Like if we were to acquire Mo Bamba like many of us would support, he'd be asked to play the same hypothetical role we'd ask of Bol. Bol's motor has to improve no matter where he lands, but I imagine he wasn't playing with 100% effort at Oregon. I suppose there's no guarantee he'll play harder in Atlanta, but his attitude reminds me of Ben Simmons at LSU who was too good for that level of competition.
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Post#2390 » by Spud2nique » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:03 am

Now who doesn’t like Culver?

BANG! Texas Tech to the championship game!

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2391 » by Geaux_Hawks » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:11 am

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You don't think Bol makes any sense for us? As bad of a defender as he was at times at Oregon, I think he could become a great drop defender in the NBA if he puts the work in. His offensive talent makes it worth taking the chance if his foot injury heals up.

He doesn't play the way LP wants to play defense and offensively he doesn't set screens, is lazy in movement. We put a premium on movement and screens as we are built around Trae. He just doesn't fit. He needs a great fit. Like Cam Reddish. He needs to land in the right spot or you looking at a backup.


Is LP's defense set in stone to say it can't adapt. Like if we were to acquire Mo Bamba like many of us would support, he'd be asked to play the same hypothetical role we'd ask of Bol. Bol's motor has to improve no matter where he lands, but I imagine he wasn't playing with 100% effort at Oregon. I suppose there's no guarantee he'll play harder in Atlanta, but his attitude reminds me of Ben Simmons at LSU who was too good for that level of competition.


Bol has a different demeanor about himself compared to Simmons at LSU. Bol seems to think more highly of himself. Simmons seemed more wanting to just freelance because he knew he was going to be #1 and felt no need to overdue it. Idk about Bol. Could be a high level talent driven by his arrogance, or he could be a major bust due to that arrogance with injury issues to boot.
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Post#2393 » by Geaux_Hawks » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:17 am

Spud2nique wrote:Now who doesn’t like Culver?

BANG! Texas Tech to the championship game!

:lol:


I still don't :lol:

His issues have been on display all throughout the tourney. Tech should be glad Mooney has stepped up big for them. Otherwise, they would be at home already.
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Post#2394 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:18 am

Spud2nique wrote:Now who doesn’t like Culver?

BANG! Texas Tech to the championship game!

:lol:

For us, me. He is going to be a role player in the NBA. Unquestionably. I've already sold all my stock in February but I'll sell more if I had it. He is so much like Evan Turner it's insane. Screens needed for everything. Can't explode in traffic but crafty as ****. Just a crafty ass player but at 200 pounds soaking wet. It won't work in the NBA especially since he can't shoot with his Bembryesque shooting touch.

That said, tremendous college player. Big shots. I liked his IQ once again understanding McQuiad after his injury was food. Ideally you want to use Henry but Mooney was busting their ass, they had to use him on Culver and Culver got the screens and made the right reads. This is why I like him a lot and he is my 4th best player in college Basketball. He makes the right reads for his offense even if the results were bad. In fact, I felt he played a high BBIQ game. His defense is solid and while he doesn't have great defensive potential, he does have the potential to be a solid two way player especially in a 6th man role.

I'll say this, as a pro prospect, Culver is a much better decision maker than Turner and he is a much better defender at this stage but I don't think his defensive potential is much better long term. But Turner was a better passer, shooter, ball handler, and post player. Both have strong cores. Both have a tremendous feel for the game. Both can hoop. But I am none seeing a starter unless he is a occasional one like Bembry and Bembry would never start on a good team. Both players are tough but Culver just is more tougher, he just had a better will but idk, Culver plays smarter so some of Turner toughness is negated by his decision making skills.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2395 » by Spud2nique » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:31 am

King Ken wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:Now who doesn’t like Culver?

BANG! Texas Tech to the championship game!

:lol:

For us, me. He is going to be a role player in the NBA. Unquestionably. I've already sold all my stock in February but I'll sell more if I had it. He is so much like Evan Turner it's insane. Screens needed for everything. Can't explode in traffic but crafty as ****. Just a crafty ass player but at 200 pounds soaking wet. It won't work in the NBA especially since he can't shoot with his Bembryesque shooting touch.

That said, tremendous college player. Big shots. I liked his IQ once again understanding McQuiad after his injury was food. Ideally you want to use Henry but Mooney was busting their ass, they had to use him on Culver and Culver got the screens and made the right reads. This is why I like him a lot and he is my 4th best player in college Basketball. He makes the right reads for his offense even if the results were bad. In fact, I felt he played a high BBIQ game. His defense is solid and while he doesn't have great defensive potential, he does have the potential to be a solid two way player especially in a 6th man role.



I see a bonified NBA starter and a stud. I don’t see Evan Turner at all. Much more of a PG13 for me. Something about the kid, he has that IT factor for me. I’m still camp Cam but I’d have a hard time passing on this kid.

Can’t wait till Monday night. Culver and Hunter, wow!
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Post#2396 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:40 am

Spud2nique wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:Now who doesn’t like Culver?

BANG! Texas Tech to the championship game!

:lol:

For us, me. He is going to be a role player in the NBA. Unquestionably. I've already sold all my stock in February but I'll sell more if I had it. He is so much like Evan Turner it's insane. Screens needed for everything. Can't explode in traffic but crafty as ****. Just a crafty ass player but at 200 pounds soaking wet. It won't work in the NBA especially since he can't shoot with his Bembryesque shooting touch.

That said, tremendous college player. Big shots. I liked his IQ once again understanding McQuiad after his injury was food. Ideally you want to use Henry but Mooney was busting their ass, they had to use him on Culver and Culver got the screens and made the right reads. This is why I like him a lot and he is my 4th best player in college Basketball. He makes the right reads for his offense even if the results were bad. In fact, I felt he played a high BBIQ game. His defense is solid and while he doesn't have great defensive potential, he does have the potential to be a solid two way player especially in a 6th man role.



I see a bonified NBA starter and a stud. I don’t see Evan Turner at all. Much more of a PG13 for me. Something about the kid, he has that IT factor for me. I’m still camp Cam but I’d have a hard time passing on this kid.

Can’t wait till Monday night. Culver and Hunter, wow!

I see none of it. I clearly don't see PG13. I clearly don't see anyone that's a star. He is 202-205. I see role player galore.

He does have an it factor. I see that much. He showed it at times during the season as well. Just a smart ass player with a great will, nice skill and crafty as hell.

How don't you see Evan Turner? I been watching him closely since the Duke game. Better yet, PG13? That's crazy! How?

I am excited about the game but Tariq Owens is critical to what TTU does. I wonder how they will adjust.
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Post#2397 » by Adenusi » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:53 am

King Ken wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:Now who doesn’t like Culver?

BANG! Texas Tech to the championship game!

:lol:

For us, me. He is going to be a role player in the NBA. Unquestionably. I've already sold all my stock in February but I'll sell more if I had it. He is so much like Evan Turner it's insane. Screens needed for everything. Can't explode in traffic but crafty as ****. Just a crafty ass player but at 200 pounds soaking wet. It won't work in the NBA especially since he can't shoot with his Bembryesque shooting touch.

That said, tremendous college player. Big shots. I liked his IQ once again understanding McQuiad after his injury was food. Ideally you want to use Henry but Mooney was busting their ass, they had to use him on Culver and Culver got the screens and made the right reads. This is why I like him a lot and he is my 4th best player in college Basketball. He makes the right reads for his offense even if the results were bad. In fact, I felt he played a high BBIQ game. His defense is solid and while he doesn't have great defensive potential, he does have the potential to be a solid two way player especially in a 6th man role.

I'll say this, as a pro prospect, Culver is a much better decision maker than Turner and he is a much better defender at this stage but I don't think his defensive potential is much better long term. But Turner was a better passer, shooter, ball handler, and post player. Both have strong cores. Both have a tremendous feel for the game. Both can hoop. But I am none seeing a starter unless he is a occasional one like Bembry and Bembry would never start on a good team. Both players are tough but Culver just is more tougher, he just had a better will but idk, Culver plays smarter so some of Turner toughness is negated by his decision making skills.

Honestly, after watching both games. Came away unimpressed with both Culver and Hunter. I still wouldn't touch Cam with the Hawks pick but won't be mad if we take him with the Mavs pick.
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Post#2398 » by Hazer » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:59 am

For me it’s easy choices. Hawks pick 1st? Zion all day. 2nd? Ja, then make a team desperate for the next Trae trade you a king’s ransom for him. 3rd? RJ. 4th+? Cam. Then take Culver with Mavs’ pick, Hunter if Culver is already off the board. Good defensive wings.
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Post#2399 » by Night Traen » Sun Apr 7, 2019 4:03 am

You people have no Bols.
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Post#2400 » by cam1218 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 4:18 am

Culver has grown a lot on me during the tournament. I don’t watch much college hoops so I’m only getting sample sizes before these last few weeks. I like that he showed up at the end, but he didn’t stand out before that. For me, my simple eye test is do you look better than everyone else while I watch and I didn’t notice him for much of the game. I think KingKen is right on that regard, he doesn’t profile as more than a 6th man at his current form. His free throws and shot just seem slow. Looking forward to see what he and Hunter do on Monday.

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