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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#141 » by King Ken » Mon Apr 1, 2019 6:35 pm

doordoor123 wrote:Culver is getting way overrated and it’s probably because of how weak the top of this draft is. First off, he’s not a great passer, he’s an okay passer who plays in a system where guys are always moving on offense and the team runs in transition. He always has the ball in his hands as the best player on the team and gets assists just based on the system. Yes, he has good floor vision, but he’s not a good passer. Second, he’s a roleplayer who can’t create his own shot and doesn’t have a strong enough first step to beat defenders. He’s also only a 70% free throw shooter, which isn’t a great indication he’ll be a knockdown shooter at the next level. On top of that, he’s overrated as a defender. He can defend the wing well with his light feet and quick hands, but he gets killed in the post or by players that are bigger than him. Partly because he needs better technique and partly because he’s not strong. Don’t get me wrong, he has potential and he’s still a good top 10 pick, but being projected to be drafted 2-5 is only an indicator of how weak the top of this draft is. I’m not super high on Barrett, but I don’t see how anyone takes him over Barrett. The hype around him got around to me, but reality struck me after seeing his disabilities exposed and my original assessment seems to me like the correct one.

I think he will struggle to translate.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#142 » by The-Power » Tue Apr 2, 2019 6:56 am

Anyone else noticed how eerily similar Culver's and Barrett's per 100 possessions stats are?

Culver | Barrett

34.4 | 35.0 Points
11.6 | 11.7 Rebounds
6.8 | 6.7 Assists
4.9 | 5.0 Turnovers
2.7 | 1.4 Steals
1.0 | 0.7 Blocks

54.2 | 52.9 2P%
31.6 | 30.8 3P%
70.9 | 66.5 FT%
52.2 | 50.6 eFG%
55.6 | 53.2 TS%

37.9 | 31.9 FTr
29.4 | 33.8 3PAr

Basically, Culver fills up the boxscore on the defensive end more, is a bit more efficient across the board and better at getting to the line. Barrett, on the other hand, had to play more MPG (35.5 to 32.2) and obviously did it in his freshman season while being more than a year younger. Still, this is perhaps as close as it gets statistically for two top-prospects in the same draft and I found it interesting to see.

I like Culver's overall profile more due to his more proficient defense, his frame and my opinion that he is mentally better prepared to play a lesser on-ball role. At the same time, I obviously acknowledge Barrett's advantage in age. I put less emphasis on this than some others in this case, I guess, but of course it is a valid point to consider.

What I also noticed about Culver – more than for perhaps any other wing prospects in recent years – is how economic he is in his movements. He moves relatively little on both ends, and this is even more striking on defense; not because he is lazy but because he understands angles. To be in the spots to make an impact defensively – regarding team as well as on-ball defense – is typically a feature of veteran players, and the same is true on offense. You don't need to run around all over the court to make an impact off and on the ball, and Culver seems to be far ahead of the curve in this regard.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#143 » by jpengland » Tue Apr 2, 2019 1:17 pm

I think his scoring struggles to translate but he bulks up a little and becomes a fantastic defensive player who can add a little scoring to a team. He also ends up playing 3 and small ball 4.

Shane Battieresque.
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Post#144 » by JustCame » Tue Apr 2, 2019 11:03 pm

jpengland wrote:I think his scoring struggles to translate but he bulks up a little and becomes a fantastic defensive player who can add a little scoring to a team. He also ends up playing 3 and small ball 4.

Shane Battieresque.


Culver is going to be a good bit better than Battier. Clearly a more versatile scorer, better playmaker, more athletic, etc.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#145 » by doordoor123 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:34 am

He’s pretty much Kentavious Caldwell-Pope with a better IQ.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#146 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:38 am

He's a Point Guard for the NBA. Anything else and your asking for trouble or backup level production. His goals should be to be a better Derek Harper. Prospect more in the mold of SGA.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#147 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:39 am

doordoor123 wrote:He’s pretty much Kentavious Caldwell-Pope with a better IQ.

KCP shot the ball MUCH MUCH MUCH better as a prospect.

JustCame wrote:
jpengland wrote:I think his scoring struggles to translate but he bulks up a little and becomes a fantastic defensive player who can add a little scoring to a team. He also ends up playing 3 and small ball 4.

Shane Battieresque.


Culver is going to be a good bit better than Battier. Clearly a more versatile scorer, better playmaker, more athletic, etc.

Shane was a much much better shooter as a prospect. He can play on the wing in the NBA. I am not sure Culver can for extended periods of time.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#148 » by orlandomanic » Sun Apr 7, 2019 8:41 am

Culver is putting up points but his efficiency and shooting lately has just been horrible 38% FG, 26% from three, 68% from the free throw line. His game just won't transition to the NBA. Could be a good bench player like Tyreke Evans or Evan Turner.
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Post#149 » by Roddy B for 3 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 10:38 am

Culver as a draft prospect, reminds me of Victor Oladipo. They are very different type of players, but they were both seen as 1st round picks in before the season started much drafts. And neither were freshmen. They both went to the top of draft boards around March with some having them as top 5 guys starting around January.

Then both became consensus 'top 5' picks and both drafts were labled "Bad".

They were also both SG's I had as top 5 picks.

I like Culver more than I liked Oladipo, but I honestly thought Oladipo would be an incredible 3D and not much else aside from being a transition threat. Culver I see as a guy with some PG skills and a VERy good jumpshot. He also pays attention on defense and has quick feet if not good size or strength.

He makes some good passes and can blow by slow ffooted defenders all day. He is very skilled but, like Oladipo he needs to keep working on his body.

I think he could be a high volume 3pt shooter on good %'s today. I also think his defense iq is aided by the fact that he practices against a very sophisticated defense. Because he is a smart defender if still bad to below average compared to NBA playoff rotation standards.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#150 » by awkwardlycool » Sun Apr 7, 2019 12:09 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:Culver as a draft prospect, reminds me of Victor Oladipo. They are very different type of players, but they were both seen as 1st round picks in before the season started much drafts. And neither were freshmen. They both went to the top of draft boards around March with some having them as top 5 guys starting around January.

Then both became consensus 'top 5' picks and both drafts were labled "Bad".

They were also both SG's I had as top 5 picks.

I like Culver more than I liked Oladipo, but I honestly thought Oladipo would be an incredible 3D and not much else aside from being a transition threat. Culver I see as a guy with some PG skills and a VERy good jumpshot. He also pays attention on defense and has quick feet if not good size or strength.

He makes some good passes and can blow by slow ffooted defenders all day. He is very skilled but, like Oladipo he needs to keep working on his body.

I think he could be a high volume 3pt shooter on good %'s today. I also think his defense iq is aided by the fact that he practices against a very sophisticated defense. Because he is a smart defender if still bad to below average compared to NBA playoff rotation standards.


Ummm...have you been watching the tournament. At best, his jumpshot is inconsistent right now

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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#151 » by shi-woo » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:47 pm

Culver has shown that he has the tools and willingness to be an impactful defender. He can guard the 1-3, and has a decent offensive foundation.

I've only watched the tournament, but so far I would project him as the same level prospect as Marcus Smart, but with slightly higher upside because of his size.

I think he will do well if drafted by a team that already has scorers, or a sound.coach.

I would consider drafting him if I was the Mavs, ATL, and Mem. They all have a good culture, and could use the wing help and defensive versatility.

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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#152 » by kobyz » Sun Apr 7, 2019 4:52 pm

he plays very similar to duncic
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#153 » by Roddy B for 3 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 8:06 pm

awkwardlycool wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:Culver as a draft prospect, reminds me of Victor Oladipo. They are very different type of players, but they were both seen as 1st round picks in before the season started much drafts. And neither were freshmen. They both went to the top of draft boards around March with some having them as top 5 guys starting around January.

Then both became consensus 'top 5' picks and both drafts were labled "Bad".

They were also both SG's I had as top 5 picks.

I like Culver more than I liked Oladipo, but I honestly thought Oladipo would be an incredible 3D and not much else aside from being a transition threat. Culver I see as a guy with some PG skills and a VERy good jumpshot. He also pays attention on defense and has quick feet if not good size or strength.

He makes some good passes and can blow by slow ffooted defenders all day. He is very skilled but, like Oladipo he needs to keep working on his body.

I think he could be a high volume 3pt shooter on good %'s today. I also think his defense iq is aided by the fact that he practices against a very sophisticated defense. Because he is a smart defender if still bad to below average compared to NBA playoff rotation standards.


Ummm...have you been watching the tournament. At best, his jumpshot is inconsistent right now

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Actually no. I haven't been watching Texas Tech in the tournament. I watched his game against Duke, Texas and USC about 2 weeks ago and last checked his numbers about 6 weeks ago.

His 3pt% has dropped dramtically. I hope it is because he is physically tired rather than he has a bad shot.

Like how Luka had bad 3pt% last year.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#154 » by Chuck Everett » Sun Apr 7, 2019 8:08 pm

He's gotta be like 6'8 now. He looks huge out there.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#155 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 8:14 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
awkwardlycool wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:Culver as a draft prospect, reminds me of Victor Oladipo. They are very different type of players, but they were both seen as 1st round picks in before the season started much drafts. And neither were freshmen. They both went to the top of draft boards around March with some having them as top 5 guys starting around January.

Then both became consensus 'top 5' picks and both drafts were labled "Bad".

They were also both SG's I had as top 5 picks.

I like Culver more than I liked Oladipo, but I honestly thought Oladipo would be an incredible 3D and not much else aside from being a transition threat. Culver I see as a guy with some PG skills and a VERy good jumpshot. He also pays attention on defense and has quick feet if not good size or strength.

He makes some good passes and can blow by slow ffooted defenders all day. He is very skilled but, like Oladipo he needs to keep working on his body.

I think he could be a high volume 3pt shooter on good %'s today. I also think his defense iq is aided by the fact that he practices against a very sophisticated defense. Because he is a smart defender if still bad to below average compared to NBA playoff rotation standards.


Ummm...have you been watching the tournament. At best, his jumpshot is inconsistent right now

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Actually no. I haven't been watching Texas Tech in the tournament. I watched his game against Duke, Texas and USC about 2 weeks ago and last checked his numbers about 6 weeks ago.

His 3pt% has dropped dramtically. I hope it is because he is physically tired rather than he has a bad shot.

Like how Luka had bad 3pt% last year.


He shot 31% on the year and 24% during conference play. He shot fantastic from 3 his first 12 games, but since the calendar turned to 2019, over his last 25 games he has shot 26% from 3. So I don't think he got physically tired after playing 12 games in 2 months.

I think there are a lot of questions with his form, its slow and has a weird hitch in it. I would not consider him to be a good jump shooter, let alone a very good one. Victor also had one major advantage over Culver, he was an elite athlete. One of Culver's biggest question marks is does he have the first step to be effective in the NBA. Oladipo never had those concerns.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#156 » by 916fan » Sun Apr 7, 2019 8:26 pm

tbh, he's probably 7'0 now.

I think we should all wait for his combine measurements before declaring he's 6'7 or 6'8.
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Post#157 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 9:41 pm

916fan wrote:tbh, he's probably 7'0 now.

I think we should all wait for his combine measurements before declaring he's 6'7 or 6'8.


Agreed. Looking back at the Duke game, he didn't really look any bigger than RJ or Jack White who are both 6'7.
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#158 » by B-Ball Freak » Sun Apr 7, 2019 11:29 pm

Keldon Johnson or Jarrett Culver, who's game is better suited for the NBA?
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Re: Jarrett Culver 

Post#159 » by Barnsey » Mon Apr 8, 2019 2:09 am

King Ken wrote:I think he will struggle to translate.

Why so?

(Genuinely interested to see you expand on it. Have been noticing your posts lately and you seem more on the money than most)
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Post#160 » by Barnsey » Mon Apr 8, 2019 2:13 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:Culver as a draft prospect, reminds me of Victor Oladipo. They are very different type of players, but they were both seen as 1st round picks in before the season started much drafts. And neither were freshmen. They both went to the top of draft boards around March with some having them as top 5 guys starting around January.

Then both became consensus 'top 5' picks and both drafts were labled "Bad".

They were also both SG's I had as top 5 picks.

I like Culver more than I liked Oladipo, but I honestly thought Oladipo would be an incredible 3D and not much else aside from being a transition threat. Culver I see as a guy with some PG skills and a VERy good jumpshot. He also pays attention on defense and has quick feet if not good size or strength.

He makes some good passes and can blow by slow ffooted defenders all day. He is very skilled but, like Oladipo he needs to keep working on his body.

I think he could be a high volume 3pt shooter on good %'s today. I also think his defense iq is aided by the fact that he practices against a very sophisticated defense. Because he is a smart defender if still bad to below average compared to NBA playoff rotation standards.

And they both wore red jerseys in college :P
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