We need to talk about Otto popping off about freedom

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Horrible chemistry with Wall. Horrible chemistry with Brooks who made him his whipping boy for the lack of effort Wall & Morris were displaying.

And Nate33, you cannot run the same stuff for Beal that you do for Porter and expect similar results.

Porter needs a change of scenery. So do the Wizards.

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Anyway, the real issue here has nothing to do with Otto Porter.

We picked a guy at #3 in the 2013 draft, then a few years later we traded him for... nothing. For players we have no way to keep.
A few months after picking him, we traded our 2014 R1 pick for a C with an expiring salary!
Then we traded two extra picks to move our 2015 R1 pick up 4 slots, picked Kelly Oubre & then traded him for an expiring veteran.
A few months after making that pick, we traded our 2016 R1 pick (a lottery pick) for a journeyman whom we later traded for a R2 pick several years down the road.
A few months after that, we traded our 2017 R1 pick for an expiring salary in order to hide a ridiculously bad FA signing.

That's 5 R1 picks in a row (including 2 lottery picks, 1 of them a #3 pick) turned into absolutely nothing.

We don't need to talk about Otto Porter; he's no longer with us.

We need to talk about Ernie Grunfeld; he's still around, & we may never ever ever get rid of him!!

You think?

Are you telling me that Ernie Grunfeld isn't a good GM? Man, you learn something new on this board everyday.

Bombshell alert! Perhaps we should consider EG as part of the... problem? Whoa, everything's illuminated, as Jonathan Safran Foer would say.

(I'm just trying to deflect all this pointless Otto bashing...)

[FAH1223]

Brooks' system or lack thereof... Otto needed to get away from here... and why does it always have to happen for players we draft to get out of here to succeed?

[nate33]

Brooks' system or lack thereof... Otto needed to get away from here... and why does it always have to happen for players we draft to get out of here to succeed?

It actually doesn't happen that often.

Think about the players that have left in the Ernie era either during or shortly after their rookie deals (or while still quite young):

Larry Hughes
Jared Jeffries
Etan Thomas
Kevin Seraphin
Andre Blatche
Nick Young
Javale McGee
Dominic McGuire

None of those guys did anything after leaving.

The only guys that come to mind who have left and performed really well are Trevor Booker and Shelvin Mack.

We've had a few more journeymen types who passed through here and ultimately found their footing with some other team, guys like Shaun Livingston, Trey Burke, etc., but not until after bouncing around the league for a while.

[Illmatic12]

Brooks' system or lack thereof... Otto needed to get away from here... and why does it always have to happen for players we draft to get out of here to succeed?

Otto was succeeding, or is he the same guy? He averaged ~17ppg over 15 games on a tanking Bulls team that wasn't attempting to play defense.. not seeing any major difference in his play other than a hot shooting streak

[tontoz]

Brooks' system or lack thereof... Otto needed to get away from here... and why does it always have to happen for players we draft to get out of here to succeed?

Otto was succeeding, or is he the same guy? He averaged ~17ppg over 15 games on a tanking Bulls team that wasn't attempting to play defense.. not seeing any major difference in his play other than a hot shooting streak

He also missed a lot of games. He played only 56 last season and 56 this season.

[Ruzious]

Thing is - with Wall out, it was time for Otto to shine... in Washington - and if my memory's right, he was starting to take more shots - with somewhat lower efficiency, but so be it. As I like to point out because people ignore - Otto was always going to be at least somewhat problematic with his chronic hip problems.

[Illmatic12]

Brooks' system or lack thereof... Otto needed to get away from here... and why does it always have to happen for players we draft to get out of here to succeed?

Otto was succeeding, or is he the same guy? He averaged ~17ppg over 15 games on a tanking Bulls team that wasn't attempting to play defense.. not seeing any major difference in his play other than a hot shooting streak

He also missed a lot of games. He played only 56 last season and 56 this season.

56 games for a $30million player . That's the #1 problem with Otto Porter regardless of what you think about his game, advanced stats , personality and all that jazz

Imagine if Washington still had Otto on the roster and were trying to trade that massive contract this summer? Would they even get Jabari/Portis level players back at this point? They should have cut bait even earlier before his health problems became more publicized, but c'est la vie

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...Imagine if Washington still had Otto on the roster and were trying to trade that massive contract this summer? Would they even get Jabari/Portis level players back at this point? ...

Huh? So what?

Suppose we traded him this Summer -- & all we got was a R2 pick. That would be more than what we'll have out of Ernie's trade. Parker is about to be an unrestricted free agent. Portis will go to another team as well -- almost certainly with us getting no compensation for him.

Ernie gave Porter away for nothing whatever. Zero. You can't get less than zero.

[popper]

...Imagine if Washington still had Otto on the roster and were trying to trade that massive contract this summer? Would they even get Jabari/Portis level players back at this point? ...

Huh? So what?

Suppose we traded him this Summer -- & all we got was a R2 pick. That would be more than what we'll have out of Ernie's trade. Parker is about to be an unrestricted free agent. Portis will go to another team as well -- almost certainly with us getting no compensation for him.

Ernie gave Porter away for nothing whatever. Zero. You can't get less than zero.

EG often got less than zero by attaching first a second round picks to rid the team of his previous mistakes.

[Illmatic12]

...Imagine if Washington still had Otto on the roster and were trying to trade that massive contract this summer? Would they even get Jabari/Portis level players back at this point? ...

Huh? So what?

Suppose we traded him this Summer -- & all we got was a R2 pick. That would be more than what we'll have out of Ernie's trade. Parker is about to be an unrestricted free agent. Portis will go to another team as well -- almost certainly with us getting no compensation for him.

Ernie gave Porter away for nothing whatever. Zero. You can't get less than zero.

They did get a 2nd round pick from Chicago in the trade. And we’re probably lucky we didn’t have to attach assets (or take back bad long term money) to move Otto, which may have been the case had we waited

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They did get a 2nd round pick from Chicago in the trade.

Good -- I seem to have missed that. Was it Chicago's R2 pick or a pick from another team? & what year is the pick?

It would be great if it is a 2019 pick -- but, I'm assuming that's not the case.

And we’re probably lucky we didn’t have to attach assets (or take back bad long term money) to move Otto, which may have been the case had we waited.

Speculation on your part. Based on...? In any case, we have no idea.

Still, there is one point which you didn't mention, & I'd forgotten: we needed to get under the luxury tax level. The trade saved us $3.5m, & since we're only @$250K under the tax, it seems we wouldn't have had another way to make that happen.

What can't be denied, however -- & here I'm sure we agree! -- is that if you pick a guy #3 in the draft, then you give him a max-salary contract, & then a few months later you trade him for next to nothing, this is not the kind of work that gets you in the GM Hall of Fame!

[pcbothwel]

They did get a 2nd round pick from Chicago in the trade.

Good -- I seem to have missed that. Was it Chicago's R2 pick or a pick from another team? & what year is the pick?

It would be great if it is a 2019 pick -- but, I'm assuming that's not the case.

And we’re probably lucky we didn’t have to attach assets (or take back bad long term money) to move Otto, which may have been the case had we waited.

Speculation on your part. Based on...? In any case, we have no idea.

Still, there is one point which you didn't mention, & I'd forgotten: we needed to get under the luxury tax level. The trade saved us $3.5m, & since we're only @$250K under the tax, it seems we wouldn't have had another way to make that happen.

What can't be denied, however -- & here I'm sure we agree! -- is that if you pick a guy #3 in the draft, then you give him a max-salary contract, & then a few months later you trade him for next to nothing, this is not the kind of work that gets you in the GM Hall of Fame!

Agreed. Alos...just look at the Harrison Barnes trade.
Otto has more value than Barnes, so we could of had the same package + a 2019 2nd..EASY.

That means we would of have had a cheap backup wing in Jackson for 2 more years, a 2019 2nd, and a 14M TPE!!!
EG thought Portis & Parker is more valuable than Jackson and a 14M TPE... IDIOT

Having the Full MLE (9M), the Kieff TPE (8.6M), and the Otto TPE (14M) would be a really good stable of maneuverable tools for a capped out team.
That TPE would of been real valuable when you look at all the players making between 9-14M next year.

Patty Mills, Olynyk, Will Barton, Courtney Lee, Snell, Roberson, Dinwiddie, Dwight Powell... all average or better players on teams that would be looking to cut salary for tax purposes or FA acquisition.