Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

Kobblehead · Post #121 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:08 pm

He'll be 30 in September, aka before next season. And that Chris Paul contract is awful and Morey knew it at the time. He had no choice.

I wouldn't let Harris walk. His age and skillset is a great match.

PhillyPhilly · Post #122 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:32 pm

Kobblehead wrote:He'll be 30 in September, aka before next season. And that Chris Paul contract is awful and Morey knew it at the time. He had no choice.

I wouldn't let Harris walk. His age and skillset is a great match.

Yeah he'll be 30 before next season just like Durant, Steph, Lebron, Harden, Westbrook etc will be in their 30s too. So what? And who replaces Jimmy?

Kobblehead · Post #123 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:42 pm

What are you having trouble with?

EVERYONE breaks down in their 30s. Guys that struggled with durability in their 20s have NO SHOT at aging gracefully. Jimmy will be terrible over the next 5 year stretch.

And unlike guys like Durant, Steph and Harden, he doesn't even have the malleable skillset and personality to assimilate with teammates so what's the point and knowingly signing up for a contract that will surely be an albatross for over 60% of its duration?

PhillyPhilly · Post #124 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:57 pm

Kobblehead wrote:What are you having trouble with?

EVERYONE breaks down in their 30s. Guys that struggled with durability in their 20s have NO SHOT at aging gracefully. Jimmy will be terrible over the next 5 year stretch.

And unlike guys like Durant, Steph and Harden, he doesn't even have the malleable skillset and personality to assimilate with teammates so what's the point and knowingly signing up for a contract that will surely be an albatross for over 60% of its duration?

1. He's averaging near 20 ppg

2. He's been our second top scorer this season

3. He's been our closer and won games on his own

4. Your notion about "60%" is merely a symbol of your hate for Jimmy, not reality

5. WHO REPLACES JIMMY?

Mik317 · Post #125 » by **Mik317** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:03 pm

i'm torn but not really.

because I am a whore for team building and this team lowkey bores the hell out of me...i'd be more than okay w/ letting them walk and using that money, on younger but also cheaper guys to fill out the lineup and more importantly the bench. I have been the sole inhabitant of Jeremy Lamb Island for year for example. Guys like that would be my targets, guys who are solid rn but might also be late bloomers or used wrong. I'd also look for more guys who can do more than one thing. We have too many specialists...who aren't that special lol. I think that filling out the roster w/ "2 way" guys and banking on Ben and JoJo's continual improvement is the move...also those "2 way" guys could always be packaged for the next Jimmy Butler deal. IMO I think the FO pushed the chips to the middle a bit too soon and this is their chance to readjust before Ben's contract makes that a lot harder to do.

HOWEVA

I also think we need to see how the playoffs go. If Jimmy truly has another level that he has been saving, we will see rather than hoping. Lets say we make the second and give Toronto hell before bowing out and that includes Jimmy and Tobias playing well. Then running it back w/ hopefully a better bench is probably the move. I think we all get caught up in the moment and just assume to know how the future will go based off of that, myself included. Last year everyone thought we would fly to the Conference finals w/ ease...and then we got punched in the mouth by Boston.

so yeah not that cut and dry in the end...but we will find out soon. The playoffs will give us all the answers...we flatline w/ the lights on then that's that...bury this and move on the next.

Kobblehead · Post #126 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:18 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:4. Your notion about "60%" is merely a symbol of your hate for Jimmy, not reality

I'm a pragmatist, I have no patience for silly talk of "hate" and "love" regarding players.

And no, that projected percentage is very much realistic. If you really care to prove or disprove that claim, you can spend time researching players with significant time missed in their 20s and then see how they stack up in ages 30-35. It's not pretty. It's not going to be any better for Joel Embiid, either. And I'll be just as cut and dry in calling to cut bait on him once his 20s are up.

PhillyPhilly · Post #127 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:21 pm

Mik317 wrote:i'm torn but not really.

because I am a whore for team building and this team lowkey bores the hell out of me...i'd be more than okay w/ letting them walk and using that money, on younger but also cheaper guys to fill out the lineup and more importantly the bench. I have been the sole inhabitant of Jeremy Lamb Island for year for example. Guys like that would be my targets, guys who are solid rn but might also be late bloomers or used wrong. I'd also look for more guys who can do more than one thing. We have too many specialists...who aren't that special lol. I think that filling out the roster w/ "2 way" guys and banking on Ben and JoJo's continual improvement is the move...also those "2 way" guys could always be packaged for the next Jimmy Butler deal. IMO I think the FO pushed the chips to the middle a bit too soon and this is their chance to readjust before Ben's contract makes that a lot harder to do.

HOWEVA

I also think we need to see how the playoffs go. If Jimmy truly has another level that he has been saving, we will see rather than hoping. Lets say we make the second and give Toronto hell before bowing out and that includes Jimmy and Tobias playing well. Then running it back w/ hopefully a better bench is probably the move. I think we all get caught up in the moment and just assume to know how the future will go based off of that, myself included. Last year everyone thought we would fly to the Conference finals w/ ease...and then we got punched in the mouth by Boston.

so yeah not that cut and dry in the end...but we will find out soon. The playoffs will give us all the answers...we flatline w/ the lights on then that's that...bury this and move on the next.

Well you've already said you want the team to lose in the first round, so we already know how you feel about this roster. The reality of the situation is we should be in a powerful position next season if we keep Jimmy and Tobias because Golden State, Boston, Toronto and the Bucks will be losing key guys most likely. Our team has only been together for a few weeks, so they cannot be fully judged even if we fall in the second round. The blame will go to Brown imo and he will be shown the door while the FO tries to keep the guys together and improve the bench. A better coach and a better bench would do wonders with this big four imo.

PhillyPhilly · Post #128 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:26 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
PhillyPhilly wrote:4. Your notion about "60%" is merely a symbol of your hate for Jimmy, not reality

I'm a pragmatist, I have no patience for silly talk of "hate" and "love" regarding players.

And no, that projected percentage is very much realistic. If you really care to prove or disprove that claim, you can spend time researching players with significant time missed in their 20s and then see how they stack up in ages 30-35. It's not pretty. It's not going to be any better for Joel Embiid, either. And I'll be just as cut and dry in calling to cut bait on him once his 20s are up.

You do know Jimmy could be traded In a few years right? And you still haven't answered my question.

Who replaces Jimmy?

ProcessDoctor · Post #129 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:39 pm

There’s no way we should give up on this roster after 10 games + a few playoff series together. It takes at least one offseason for a championship-caliber team to gel, so let’s give them that.

eagereyez · Post #130 » by **eagereyez** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:04 pm

If money is a problem then let Harris walk over Butler. Butler has actual star-level impact. Harris isn't better than Covington but he will be paid way more because he scores points. And Butler will be better than Harris over the next 3 years.

fl311 · Post #131 » by **fl311** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:11 pm

Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

mksp · Post #132 » by **mksp** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:17 pm

fl311 wrote:Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

Fine with me. Sucks to lose Cov on this experiment.

hookshot199 · Post #133 » by **hookshot199** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:25 pm

fl311 wrote:Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

That's good news and bad news. I just wish Butler would be two or three years younger.
But clearly he is often invisible in Brett's offense. It's painful to watch.

PhillyPhilly · Post #134 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:28 pm

fl311 wrote:Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

If we make it to the east finals and beyond then I think all bets are on the table because which other team could he realistically join that would be better? Brett has pretty much given Butler the whole fourth quarter to do as he wants so their relationship can't be that bad.

ProcessDoctor · Post #135 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:39 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:
fl311 wrote:Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

If we make it to the east finals and beyond then I think all bets are on the table because which other team could he realistically join that would be better? Brett has pretty much given Butler the whole fourth quarter to do as he wants so their relationship can't be that bad.

My hunch is the Clippers with Kawhi. That’s a top 3 seed in the west IMO.

I’d love for him to stay though.

PhillyPhilly · Post #136 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:47 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
PhillyPhilly wrote:
fl311 wrote:Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

If we make it to the east finals and beyond then I think all bets are on the table because which other team could he realistically join that would be better? Brett has pretty much given Butler the whole fourth quarter to do as he wants so their relationship can't be that bad.

My hunch is the Clippers with Kawhi. That’s a top 3 seed in the west IMO.

I’d love for him to stay though.

Well he'd be naive because Kawhi, Jimmy and a bunch of kids are not better than what we have. They also wouldn"t be getting past GS or the Rockets anytime soon imo.

hookshot199 · Post #137 » by **hookshot199** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:52 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:
fl311 wrote:Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

If we make it to the east finals and beyond then I think all bets are on the table because which other team could he realistically join that would be better? Brett has pretty much given Butler the whole fourth quarter to do as he wants so their relationship can't be that bad.

Whew! We won't have to worry about that.

fl311 · Post #138 » by **fl311** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:54 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:
fl311 wrote:Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

Brett has pretty much given Butler the whole fourth quarter to do as he wants so their relationship can't be that bad.

This means absolutely nothing.

FireMorey · Post #139 » by **FireMorey** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:02 pm

Butler and the Sixers are fully committed to each other, I’d be pretty shocked if he isn’t back. I expect it to be one of the first things announced this summer once the playoffs are done with. Harris will be back too. With Brett Brown or without Brett Brown.

PhillyPhilly · Post #140 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:06 pm

fl311 wrote:
PhillyPhilly wrote:
fl311 wrote:Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

Brett has pretty much given Butler the whole fourth quarter to do as he wants so their relationship can't be that bad.

This means absolutely nothing.

All I know is what Jimmy had said himself..

1. "We all like each other In the locker room and get along well"

2. "As a group we know how special we can be and everyday we talk about winning the championship"

All I'm saying is if we reach the east finals and he feels this way about his team mates then I'd be surprised to see him leave when there is potential for them to get even better.