Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[Jeff Van Gully]

Frank took his career for granted, had no sense of urgency and will find himself out of the league. Honestly, you get the impression he doesnt want to be here (US) anyways. The lack of urgency is astounding. Knicks didnt do enough due diligence on this kid.

I've been blasted for saying this before but I don't think Frank genuinely loves the game of basketball. If you love something, at some point you will show that you care. Your failures or your shortcomings will make you angry. You will work on your craft relentlessly. I don't think Frank cares and I don't blame him for that because I sincerely believe basketball was simply the wrong career path for him.

It's as if making the NBA was his goal so he worked to reach that goal so he could say he made it to his family and now he's done. That's why he flew across the Atlantic to attend the NBA draft even though his team back in France was preparing for the final game of the Pro A finals. Competitors don't do that. They simply don't. He should be out of the league in a couple seasons. By all accounts he's a good kid so I hope he can find happiness in whatever he chooses to do.

Yet Frank is consistently called one of the hardest workers on the team.

Just a few examples:

Read on Twitter

“Physically he was totally prepared for this year,” Fizdale said. “That’s why I felt totally comfortable putting him on different people. He really put a lot into his body this summer. This kid, I feel really bad for him. He’s one of our hardest workers.”

The results haven't been there, mostly due to mental obstacles, but his approach and work ethic have never been questioned by anyone associated with the Knicks or his teams in France.

the team in france also told him to go to the draft. frank was extremely conflicted about it. if anything, going to the draft and heading right back for the chip showed his professionalism on both counts. i think that part of your argument was a reach, chanel bomber.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Damn, Frank Ntilikina the only player worth discussing at the season's end.

He’s polarizing. Folks were incensed that he wasn’t penciled in as the starter early on. MODs were threatening to ban dissenters. Lines were drawn. It’ll be interesting to see all of the offseason highlight videos though.

please stop with this. people who got warnings and suspensions got them for violating board rules. not for being not fans of frank.

if we were doing that for any individual players a lot of people wouldn't be around.

[ITGM]

He’s polarizing. Folks were incensed that he wasn’t penciled in as the starter early on. MODs were threatening to ban dissenters. Lines were drawn. It’ll be interesting to see all of the offseason highlights videos though.

... one even replied to posters with ad hominem attacks (in defense of Frank), while emboldening other posters to reply with insensitive and emasculating comments towards Tim Hardaway Jr. and Emanuel Mudiay. It's been a wild and wacky season on and off the court. Hopefully this offseason brings a much needed change for the better.

[Jeff Van Gully]

He’s polarizing. Folks were incensed that he wasn’t penciled in as the starter early on. MODs were threatening to ban dissenters. Lines were drawn. It’ll be interesting to see all of the offseason highlights videos though.

... one even replied to posters with ad hominem attacks (in defense of Frank), while emboldening other posters to reply with insensitive and emasculating comments towards Tim Hardaway Jr. and Emanuel Mudiay. It's been a wild and wacky season on and off the court. Hopefully this offseason brings a much needed change for the better.

can you PM me a link please?

[robillionaire]

We should be able to call players whatever Knickname we want as long as it's not profane or something, I don't see what the big deal is. So people called him Tommy get over it lol

[Jeff Van Gully]

We should be able to call players whatever Knickname we want as long as it's not profane or something, I don't see what the big deal is. So people called him Tommy get over it lol

no one got warned anything about "tommy."

[whocares1]

Damn, Frank Ntilikina the only player worth discussing at the season's end.

He’s polarizing. Folks were incensed that he wasn’t penciled in as the starter early on. MODs were threatening to ban dissenters. Lines were drawn. It’ll be interesting to see all of the offseason highlight videos though.

Yea any Frank criticism was met with heavy scrutiny. The hilarious thing is that mods threatened to ban users who “only spoke about Frank” but were the same users who wouldn’t shut up about Mudiay or Tim Hardaway jr. or Enes Kanter. The game threads the last month were worse than the games.

[BeagleBoss]

I'm not a Ntilikina fan but I don't think it's fair to call him lazy or say he just lacks the love of basketball. Making the NBA is super difficult, especially for a foreign player and there has been nothing that suggests he's lazy and lacks work ethic. Quite simply, he lacks talent. His biggest detriment (or gift if you look at it that way) was ending up being 6'6" with a 7'1" wingspan. That alone got him drafted that high and set him to fail. His pure basketball talent is nowhere near lottery talent. Unfortunately Phil ignored the pure basketball talent and fell in love with the wingspan, height and character.

Thankfully, we made up drafting Ntilikina high by drafting Mitch in the 2nd Round (where Ntilikina should probably have been drafted) and signed Trier undrafted. I think it's time for everyone to just admit defeat and look and take Ntilikina for what he is. He will never ever reach expectations of a lottery pick imo. That doesn't mean he cannot be a piece on a good team, possibly with us. He's still on a rookie deal and cheap. There is no reason he MUST be traded. He's a good kid, good teammate, hard worker and he defends. You need players like him on a good team at the end of the bench.

[1999]

I'm not a Ntilikina fan but I don't think it's fair to call him lazy or say he just lacks the love of basketball. Making the NBA is super difficult, especially for a foreign player and there has been nothing that suggests he's lazy and lacks work ethic. Quite simply, he lacks talent. His biggest detriment (or gift if you look at it that way) was ending up being 6'6" with a 7'1" wingspan. That alone got him drafted that high and set him to fail. His pure basketball talent is nowhere near lottery talent. Unfortunately Phil ignored the pure basketball talent and fell in love with the wingspan, height and character.

Thankfully, we made up drafting Ntilikina high by drafting Mitch in the 2nd Round (where Ntilikina should probably have been drafted) and signed Trier undrafted. I think it's time for everyone to just admit defeat and look and take Ntilikina for what he is. He will never ever reach expectations of a lottery pick imo. That doesn't mean he cannot be a piece on a good team, possibly with us. He's still on a rookie deal and cheap. There is no reason he MUST be traded. He's a good kid, good teammate, hard worker and he defends. You need players like him on a good team at the end of the bench.

Everything you said here is correct. But he’s currently on a rookie deal. Now do you risk losing him for nothing on the open market or trade him while he might still have some semblance of trade value to a team that still respects his potential? I don’t think Frank is worth “reupping” at the rate he’s likely going to go for after next season.


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[2010]

Yet Frank is consistently called one of the hardest workers on the team.

Just a few examples:

Read on Twitter

The results haven't been there, mostly due to mental obstacles, but his approach and work ethic have never been questioned by anyone associated with the Knicks or his teams in France.

Thanks for the post.
Frank is going to be a fine pro and we'd be foolish to drop him for nothing and especially on a rookie deal. Only posters on RG are foolish in this way.

I appreciate the positive thoughts on Frank but I don't think some people actually understand how truly bad he is. He is arguably the worst guard in the NBA. Imagine how bad it is that its difficult to name players in the league that are worse than you are. Arguably the worst first round pick by the Knicks of all time and the Knicks have drafted some busts. He may be the best bust of them all. Frank truly has to have a miraculous improvement just to get playing time on any team with any type of expectations. I won't say a turnaround isn't possible but I will say I think we have seen 90 to 95 percent of what he is already.

Frank ranks dead last in the entire NBA in eFG.

[taj2133]

Damn, Frank Ntilikina the only player worth discussing at the season's end.

He’s polarizing. Folks were incensed that he wasn’t penciled in as the starter early on. MODs were threatening to ban dissenters. Lines were drawn. It’ll be interesting to see all of the offseason highlight videos though.

Yea any Frank criticism was met with heavy scrutiny. The hilarious thing is that mods threatened to ban users who “only spoke about Frank” but were the same users who wouldn’t shut up about Mudiay or Tim Hardaway jr. or Enes Kanter. The game threads the last month were worse than the games.

You aren't lying i got suspended bunch of times for criticizing frank , that's why don't post much anymore since my last suspension and that happened last month.

[2010]

I'm not a Ntilikina fan but I don't think it's fair to call him lazy or say he just lacks the love of basketball. Making the NBA is super difficult, especially for a foreign player and there has been nothing that suggests he's lazy and lacks work ethic. Quite simply, he lacks talent. His biggest detriment (or gift if you look at it that way) was ending up being 6'6" with a 7'1" wingspan. That alone got him drafted that high and set him to fail. His pure basketball talent is nowhere near lottery talent. Unfortunately Phil ignored the pure basketball talent and fell in love with the wingspan, height and character.

Thankfully, we made up drafting Ntilikina high by drafting Mitch in the 2nd Round (where Ntilikina should probably have been drafted) and signed Trier undrafted. I think it's time for everyone to just admit defeat and look and take Ntilikina for what he is. He will never ever reach expectations of a lottery pick imo. That doesn't mean he cannot be a piece on a good team, possibly with us. He's still on a rookie deal and cheap. There is no reason he MUST be traded. He's a good kid, good teammate, hard worker and he defends. You need players like him on a good team at the end of the bench.

BeagleBoss coming through with the super stealthy sneak diss.

[mpharris36]

I don't mind people dissing frank but don't act like you guys have been suppressed. This whole thread was set up so people couldn't derail threads by Frank bashing. We basically created a forum for you guys to congregate! The last few pages have been all about how frank "sucks" and people think they have been suppressed with there frank hate....

yall too much

[thebuzzardman]

He’s polarizing. Folks were incensed that he wasn’t penciled in as the starter early on. MODs were threatening to ban dissenters. Lines were drawn. It’ll be interesting to see all of the offseason highlights videos though.

... one even replied to posters with ad hominem attacks (in defense of Frank), while emboldening other posters to reply with insensitive and emasculating comments towards Tim Hardaway Jr. and Emanuel Mudiay. It's been a wild and wacky season on and off the court. Hopefully this offseason brings a much needed change for the better.

I'd say the "attacks" on THJr and Mudiay had a lot to do with how much they sucked, all by themselves.

[2010]

I don't mind people dissing frank but don't act like you guys have been suppressed. This whole thread was set up so people couldn't derail threads by Frank bashing. We basically created a forum for you guys to congregate! The last few pages have been all about how frank "sucks" and people think they have been suppressed with there frank hate....

yall too much

So you telling me this is Hamsterdam?

So if I ever get banned/suspended/warned for anything I say about Frank in here, wouldn’t that qualify as contrapment?

[jstudabaka]

Well, if we need to tank again next year, I think Frank could be a key asset in achieving that.

[mpharris36]

I don't mind people dissing frank but don't act like you guys have been suppressed. This whole thread was set up so people couldn't derail threads by Frank bashing. We basically created a forum for you guys to congregate! The last few pages have been all about how frank "sucks" and people think they have been suppressed with there frank hate....

yall too much

So you telling me this is Hamsterdam?

So if I ever get banned/suspended/warned for anything I say about Frank in here, wouldn’t that qualify as contrapment?

look at the last 2 pages. He's been called lazy. Then someone said "hey he's not lazy he just sucks at basketball". Then a notorious frank hater who derailed post game thread after post game thread posted his feelings without issue. I would see this thread has been a cesspool for Frank haters

[mpharris36]

Well, if we need to tank again next year, I think Frank could be a key asset in achieving that.

mudiay's got that covered!

[Richard4444]

I'm not a Ntilikina fan but I don't think it's fair to call him lazy or say he just lacks the love of basketball. Making the NBA is super difficult, especially for a foreign player and there has been nothing that suggests he's lazy and lacks work ethic. Quite simply, he lacks talent. His biggest detriment (or gift if you look at it that way) was ending up being 6'6" with a 7'1" wingspan. That alone got him drafted that high and set him to fail. His pure basketball talent is nowhere near lottery talent. Unfortunately Phil ignored the pure basketball talent and fell in love with the wingspan, height and character.

Thankfully, we made up drafting Ntilikina high by drafting Mitch in the 2nd Round (where Ntilikina should probably have been drafted) and signed Trier undrafted. I think it's time for everyone to just admit defeat and look and take Ntilikina for what he is. He will never ever reach expectations of a lottery pick imo. That doesn't mean he cannot be a piece on a good team, possibly with us. He's still on a rookie deal and cheap. There is no reason he MUST be traded. He's a good kid, good teammate, hard worker and he defends. You need players like him on a good team at the end of the bench.

Frank is a really good defender, has a great work ethic and a great potencial. But he is not cheap for a team who is going to commit 72% os his Cap Space in 2 players + dead salary. He is the biggest salary of the current roster and has the biggest "bust risk". And he probably will not be cheap when he becomes RFA in 2021.

We have to think that if we dont trade Frank, we can loose some players with potencial and friendly salaries (Trier, Kornet, Henry). Besides, if we keep Frank we will add more incomplete roster charges in the team salary and loose more tradable salary for early next season.

[god shammgod]

i don't know if it was officially a warning, nothing was said directly to me about it, but there was some threatening about calling him tommy. or maybe it was tammy, i can't remember. i'm not sure why any of that happened exactly or why it suddenly became a problem after it went on for months without one. i thought it was funny actually. "stop calling him tammy" lol