2018/2019 NBA draft talk: Who should be our target? (Poll)

[Ducklett]

The history of the 17th pick is REALLY, REALLY bad. The best player might be Shawn Kemp. It might be better for your mental health to just pretend we don't have a pick this year. And if somehow the dude beats the odds and is in the NBA after his rookie contract, we can be excited.

[yoyojw17]

NAW, Keldon Johnson, Tyler Herro, Romeo Langford. A lot of good players could be available for us at that spot.

Don't forget Kevin Porter (I would be excited to take on his problems and hope that a great environment, coach and opportunity can make a 180 in his life) and KZ Okpala.

if we got Langford or Porter.... I would leave the draft Happy AF.

[pepe1991]

So: the Magic's first-round pick is #17.

Good, nice trade value.
I really see zero reasons why team should draft and keep player this year.

it obviously depends who is drafted/available. ludicrous to make a statement like this

With Isaaac, Fultz ,Bamba Frazier and Iwundu still there it's simply pointless to bring so many players with no experience.
Especially if Vuc and Ross are returning, only way to improve roster is with trades, and that pick is nice asset to have.

But even if you lose them , what position you even want to draft?
You have Fultz at PG and maybe returning Birch. And ofc DJ.
Team has zero need for SG with Ross and Evan.
Taking SF/PF will result cut in PT for Gordon or Isaac or both.
Backup PF position now is being used to boost PT players mentioned above.
C position is overcrowded.


Now, if Vuc and Ross leave ( i highly doubt they will ) , it's different story as team is back at tanking roots, than drafting SG-SF makes some sense.
But even if you are at square one, at rebuild, having too many young players isn't helpful for their development at all. Magic whole year long couldn't even find 5 mpg for Frazier ,35th pick and it took Bamba's injury to bring Birch back in rotation .
So if you lose Vuc, you are briging back Birch, if you lose Ross, you would assume Iwundu, Frazier and Fultz will fill his PT.

There is simply limited PT to offer to players , it happed to Kings, Suns, Magic in past, you can't play all players, especially trying to develop so many young guys at once, it's complete mess.

[tiderulz]

Good, nice trade value.
I really see zero reasons why team should draft and keep player this year.

it obviously depends who is drafted/available. ludicrous to make a statement like this

With Isaaac, Fultz ,Bamba Frazier and Iwundu still there it's simply pointless to bring so many players with no experience.
Especially if Vuc and Ross are returning, only way to improve roster is with trades, and that pick is nice asset to have.

But even if you lose them , what position you even want to draft?
You have Fultz at PG and maybe returning Birch. And ofc DJ.
Team has zero need for SG with Ross and Evan.
Taking SF/PF will result cut in PT for Gordon or Isaac or both.
Backup PF position now is being used to boost PT players mentioned above.
C position is overcrowded.


Now, if Vuc and Ross leave ( i highly doubt they will ) , it's different story as team is back at tanking roots, than drafting SG-SF makes some sense.
But even if you are at square one, at rebuild, having too many young players isn't helpful for their development at all. Magic whole year long couldn't even find 5 mpg for Frazier ,35th pick and it took Bamba's injury to bring Birch back in rotation .
So if you lose Vuc, you are briging back Birch, if you lose Ross, you would assume Iwundu, Frazier and Fultz will fill his PT.

There is simply limited PT to offer to players , it happed to Kings, Suns, Magic in past, you can't play all players, especially trying to develop so many young guys at once, it's complete mess.

Iwundu and Frazier are 2nd round picks, and Frazier has played in all of 10 games. the #17 pick last year was Divencenzo, DJ Wilson the year before (John Collins from Atlanta went 19th, OG Anuby 23), year before had Siakam, Caris Levert, year before that had Delon Wright at 20. So until we see who is available, just saying that you see no reason to draft a keep a player is again, Ludicrous.

[pepe1991]

it obviously depends who is drafted/available. ludicrous to make a statement like this

With Isaaac, Fultz ,Bamba Frazier and Iwundu still there it's simply pointless to bring so many players with no experience.
Especially if Vuc and Ross are returning, only way to improve roster is with trades, and that pick is nice asset to have.

But even if you lose them , what position you even want to draft?
You have Fultz at PG and maybe returning Birch. And ofc DJ.
Team has zero need for SG with Ross and Evan.
Taking SF/PF will result cut in PT for Gordon or Isaac or both.
Backup PF position now is being used to boost PT players mentioned above.
C position is overcrowded.


Now, if Vuc and Ross leave ( i highly doubt they will ) , it's different story as team is back at tanking roots, than drafting SG-SF makes some sense.
But even if you are at square one, at rebuild, having too many young players isn't helpful for their development at all. Magic whole year long couldn't even find 5 mpg for Frazier ,35th pick and it took Bamba's injury to bring Birch back in rotation .
So if you lose Vuc, you are briging back Birch, if you lose Ross, you would assume Iwundu, Frazier and Fultz will fill his PT.

There is simply limited PT to offer to players , it happed to Kings, Suns, Magic in past, you can't play all players, especially trying to develop so many young guys at once, it's complete mess.

Iwundu and Frazier are 2nd round picks, and Frazier has played in all of 10 games. the #17 pick last year was Divencenzo, DJ Wilson the year before (John Collins from Atlanta went 19th, OG Anuby 23), year before had Siakam, Caris Levert, year before that had Delon Wright at 20. So until we see who is available, just saying that you see no reason to draft a keep a player is again, Ludicrous.

And that's my point. Last year team sucked and Iwundu still couldn't get himself to play.
This year team had pretty terrible start and Bamba still couldn't play more. That's your lottery pick.
Adding so many young players sounds good in theory, but in reality creates bad chemistry as inner tensions raise over time. Oladipo already talked about it as major problem, when young guys started to view each other as competition, not other teams.

I went through 17# pick history , Jrue Holiday and Schroder are only non complete scrubs in last 15 years drafted at that slot.

You can draft and keep him ,but again, what position dou you want with all 5 starting spots being already taken, along with almost all backup slots? PG, SG and C position is already overcrowded as it is today. Makes more sense to simply take established SF than gambling on some player that will already face uphill battle to ever see PT. At least to me


Especially because trade is literally only way how this team can improve.

Don't forget Jerian Grant used to be 19# pick

[tiderulz]

With Isaaac, Fultz ,Bamba Frazier and Iwundu still there it's simply pointless to bring so many players with no experience.
Especially if Vuc and Ross are returning, only way to improve roster is with trades, and that pick is nice asset to have.

But even if you lose them , what position you even want to draft?
You have Fultz at PG and maybe returning Birch. And ofc DJ.
Team has zero need for SG with Ross and Evan.
Taking SF/PF will result cut in PT for Gordon or Isaac or both.
Backup PF position now is being used to boost PT players mentioned above.
C position is overcrowded.


Now, if Vuc and Ross leave ( i highly doubt they will ) , it's different story as team is back at tanking roots, than drafting SG-SF makes some sense.
But even if you are at square one, at rebuild, having too many young players isn't helpful for their development at all. Magic whole year long couldn't even find 5 mpg for Frazier ,35th pick and it took Bamba's injury to bring Birch back in rotation .
So if you lose Vuc, you are briging back Birch, if you lose Ross, you would assume Iwundu, Frazier and Fultz will fill his PT.

There is simply limited PT to offer to players , it happed to Kings, Suns, Magic in past, you can't play all players, especially trying to develop so many young guys at once, it's complete mess.

Iwundu and Frazier are 2nd round picks, and Frazier has played in all of 10 games. the #17 pick last year was Divencenzo, DJ Wilson the year before (John Collins from Atlanta went 19th, OG Anuby 23), year before had Siakam, Caris Levert, year before that had Delon Wright at 20. So until we see who is available, just saying that you see no reason to draft a keep a player is again, Ludicrous.

And that's my point. Last year team sucked and Iwundu still couldn't get himself to play.
This year team had pretty terrible start and Bamba still couldn't play more. That's your lottery pick.
Adding so many young players sounds good in theory, but in reality creates bad chemistry as inner tensions raise over time. Oladipo already talked about it as major problem, when young guys started to view each other as competition, not other teams.

I went through 17# pick history , Jrue Holiday and Schroder are only non complete scrubs in last 15 years drafted at that slot.

You can draft and keep him ,but again, what position dou you want with all 5 starting spots being already taken, along with almost all backup slots? PG, SG and C position is already overcrowded as it is today. Makes more sense to simply take established SF than gambling on some player that will already face uphill battle to ever see PT. At least to me


Especially because trade is literally only way how this team can improve.

Don't forget Jerian Grant used to be 19# pick

last years team sucked, so you are saying there is no chance that a first round pic could make the team? again, depends on the player. dont fixate on just #17, as that all depends on the exact scouting department of the team that made that pick. There are been many examples of players in the 15-25 range that have panned out, enough to beat out Frazier or Iwundu if it is the right player. You want to fixate on a specific position, you cant until you know who is available. although if the plan is to keep Vuc, i would not recommend a center.

[pepe1991]

Iwundu and Frazier are 2nd round picks, and Frazier has played in all of 10 games. the #17 pick last year was Divencenzo, DJ Wilson the year before (John Collins from Atlanta went 19th, OG Anuby 23), year before had Siakam, Caris Levert, year before that had Delon Wright at 20. So until we see who is available, just saying that you see no reason to draft a keep a player is again, Ludicrous.

And that's my point. Last year team sucked and Iwundu still couldn't get himself to play.
This year team had pretty terrible start and Bamba still couldn't play more. That's your lottery pick.
Adding so many young players sounds good in theory, but in reality creates bad chemistry as inner tensions raise over time. Oladipo already talked about it as major problem, when young guys started to view each other as competition, not other teams.

I went through 17# pick history , Jrue Holiday and Schroder are only non complete scrubs in last 15 years drafted at that slot.

You can draft and keep him ,but again, what position dou you want with all 5 starting spots being already taken, along with almost all backup slots? PG, SG and C position is already overcrowded as it is today. Makes more sense to simply take established SF than gambling on some player that will already face uphill battle to ever see PT. At least to me


Especially because trade is literally only way how this team can improve.

Don't forget Jerian Grant used to be 19# pick

last years team sucked, so you are saying there is no chance that a first round pic could make the team? again, depends on the player. dont fixate on just #17, as that all depends on the exact scouting department of the team that made that pick. There are been many examples of players in the 15-25 range that have panned out, enough to beat out Frazier or Iwundu if it is the right player. You want to fixate on a specific position, you cant until you know who is available. although if the plan is to keep Vuc, i would not recommend a center.

That's my mindset.
I have zero desire to draft PG, SG, PF or C, so that leaves me with what? I just think it's easier and more effective to take somebody at SF i know what brings to the table, than young player that probably won't be able to get into rotation any time soon.
Also most players you mentioned ( Colins, Lavert, Harris, Nurkić, RHJ ) actually look good now because they were drafted by teams that had zero playoff aspirations during their rookie year.
Most of "bad" ones simply never got chance to show what they can and can't as they were buried in rotation of playoff teams .
DJ Willson is yet to reach 1000 min ,while finsihing second year as 17# pick on Bucks.
Yabusele was 16# pick for Celtics, after 2 years he has 480 min played because they simply don't have time for him.
TJ Leaf and Grayson Allen, two well established college players, after being drafted around that range, simply can't sniff near rotation of Jazz and Pacers because they don't have time to play through their mistakes as they have more important goals to reach.

That's just reality. You can't be serious playoff contender, hoping for 45- 50 wins and play army of 20 years old kids. Youth and winning is oxymoron in basketball.

[NotACat]

NAW, Keldon Johnson, Tyler Herro, Romeo Langford. A lot of good players could be available for us at that spot.

Don't forget Kevin Porter (I would be excited to take on his problems and hope that a great environment, coach and opportunity can make a 180 in his life) and KZ Okpala.

if we got Langford or Porter.... I would leave the draft Happy AF.

I'm out on KPJ, he has talent, but I don't think he'll ever be as successful as he could be due to his mentality. I think he'll end up like Gerald Green.

[KillMonger]

We're picking 16th, I like the names in that range

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[yoyojw17]

NAW, Keldon Johnson, Tyler Herro, Romeo Langford. A lot of good players could be available for us at that spot.

Don't forget Kevin Porter (I would be excited to take on his problems and hope that a great environment, coach and opportunity can make a 180 in his life) and KZ Okpala.

if we got Langford or Porter.... I would leave the draft Happy AF.

I'm out on KPJ, he has talent, but I don't think he'll ever be as successful as he could be due to his mentality. I think he'll end up like Gerald Green.

Totally understandable.... but at that point if there isn't a player i'm head over heels for... he is at the least worth a flyer. Possible top tier talent or personality crippled... definitely a roll of the dice.

[tiderulz]

And that's my point. Last year team sucked and Iwundu still couldn't get himself to play.
This year team had pretty terrible start and Bamba still couldn't play more. That's your lottery pick.
Adding so many young players sounds good in theory, but in reality creates bad chemistry as inner tensions raise over time. Oladipo already talked about it as major problem, when young guys started to view each other as competition, not other teams.

I went through 17# pick history , Jrue Holiday and Schroder are only non complete scrubs in last 15 years drafted at that slot.

You can draft and keep him ,but again, what position dou you want with all 5 starting spots being already taken, along with almost all backup slots? PG, SG and C position is already overcrowded as it is today. Makes more sense to simply take established SF than gambling on some player that will already face uphill battle to ever see PT. At least to me


Especially because trade is literally only way how this team can improve.

Don't forget Jerian Grant used to be 19# pick

last years team sucked, so you are saying there is no chance that a first round pic could make the team? again, depends on the player. dont fixate on just #17, as that all depends on the exact scouting department of the team that made that pick. There are been many examples of players in the 15-25 range that have panned out, enough to beat out Frazier or Iwundu if it is the right player. You want to fixate on a specific position, you cant until you know who is available. although if the plan is to keep Vuc, i would not recommend a center.

That's my mindset.
I have zero desire to draft PG, SG, PF or C, so that leaves me with what? I just think it's easier and more effective to take somebody at SF i know what brings to the table, than young player that probably won't be able to get into rotation any time soon.
Also most players you mentioned ( Colins, Lavert, Harris, Nurkić, RHJ ) actually look good now because they were drafted by teams that had zero playoff aspirations during their rookie year.
Most of "bad" ones simply never got chance to show what they can and can't as they were buried in rotation of playoff teams .
DJ Willson is yet to reach 1000 min ,while finsihing second year as 17# pick on Bucks.
Yabusele was 16# pick for Celtics, after 2 years he has 480 min played because they simply don't have time for him.
TJ Leaf and Grayson Allen, two well established college players, after being drafted around that range, simply can't sniff near rotation of Jazz and Pacers because they don't have time to play through their mistakes as they have more important goals to reach.

That's just reality. You can't be serious playoff contender, hoping for 45- 50 wins and play army of 20 years old kids. Youth and winning is oxymoron in basketball.

1 draft pick likely replacing Iwundu/Frazier/etc is not an "army of 20 yr old kids"

and 6 of the 11 youngest teams in the NBA and 5 of the 10 oldest teams made the playoffs. talent trumps over age.

[NotACat]

Don't forget Kevin Porter (I would be excited to take on his problems and hope that a great environment, coach and opportunity can make a 180 in his life) and KZ Okpala.

if we got Langford or Porter.... I would leave the draft Happy AF.

I'm out on KPJ, he has talent, but I don't think he'll ever be as successful as he could be due to his mentality. I think he'll end up like Gerald Green.

Totally understandable.... but at that point if there isn't a player i'm head over heels for... he is at the least worth a flyer. Possible top tier talent or personality crippled... definitely a roll of the dice.

That's fair. I think he's definitely worth a shot, there's just a couple players I would prefer before him.

[pepe1991]

last years team sucked, so you are saying there is no chance that a first round pic could make the team? again, depends on the player. dont fixate on just #17, as that all depends on the exact scouting department of the team that made that pick. There are been many examples of players in the 15-25 range that have panned out, enough to beat out Frazier or Iwundu if it is the right player. You want to fixate on a specific position, you cant until you know who is available. although if the plan is to keep Vuc, i would not recommend a center.

That's my mindset.
I have zero desire to draft PG, SG, PF or C, so that leaves me with what? I just think it's easier and more effective to take somebody at SF i know what brings to the table, than young player that probably won't be able to get into rotation any time soon.
Also most players you mentioned ( Colins, Lavert, Harris, Nurkić, RHJ ) actually look good now because they were drafted by teams that had zero playoff aspirations during their rookie year.
Most of "bad" ones simply never got chance to show what they can and can't as they were buried in rotation of playoff teams .
DJ Willson is yet to reach 1000 min ,while finsihing second year as 17# pick on Bucks.
Yabusele was 16# pick for Celtics, after 2 years he has 480 min played because they simply don't have time for him.
TJ Leaf and Grayson Allen, two well established college players, after being drafted around that range, simply can't sniff near rotation of Jazz and Pacers because they don't have time to play through their mistakes as they have more important goals to reach.

That's just reality. You can't be serious playoff contender, hoping for 45- 50 wins and play army of 20 years old kids. Youth and winning is oxymoron in basketball.

1 draft pick likely replacing Iwundu/Frazier/etc is not an "army of 20 yr old kids"

and 6 of the 11 youngest teams in the NBA and 5 of the 10 oldest teams made the playoffs. talent trumps over age.

Most of "young" teams have 3,4 or 5 guys under age of 21 who also happend to never play. Case and point Trailblazers with 6 players under age of 23, 5 never play.

Only Philly and Nuggets are actually young and play with young guys, you look at Warriors , Houston, Raptors, that's all teams filled with 30 years old ( or older) players. Hell even Harden, Curry and Durant are already in their 30s .

[tiderulz]

That's my mindset.
I have zero desire to draft PG, SG, PF or C, so that leaves me with what? I just think it's easier and more effective to take somebody at SF i know what brings to the table, than young player that probably won't be able to get into rotation any time soon.
Also most players you mentioned ( Colins, Lavert, Harris, Nurkić, RHJ ) actually look good now because they were drafted by teams that had zero playoff aspirations during their rookie year.
Most of "bad" ones simply never got chance to show what they can and can't as they were buried in rotation of playoff teams .
DJ Willson is yet to reach 1000 min ,while finsihing second year as 17# pick on Bucks.
Yabusele was 16# pick for Celtics, after 2 years he has 480 min played because they simply don't have time for him.
TJ Leaf and Grayson Allen, two well established college players, after being drafted around that range, simply can't sniff near rotation of Jazz and Pacers because they don't have time to play through their mistakes as they have more important goals to reach.

That's just reality. You can't be serious playoff contender, hoping for 45- 50 wins and play army of 20 years old kids. Youth and winning is oxymoron in basketball.

1 draft pick likely replacing Iwundu/Frazier/etc is not an "army of 20 yr old kids"

and 6 of the 11 youngest teams in the NBA and 5 of the 10 oldest teams made the playoffs. talent trumps over age.

Most of "young" teams have 3,4 or 5 guys under age of 21 who also happend to never play. Case and point Trailblazers with 6 players under age of 23, 5 never play.

Only Philly and Nuggets are actually young and play with young guys, you look at Warriors , Houston, Raptors, that's all teams filled with 30 years old ( or older) players. Hell even Harden, Curry and Durant are already in their 30s .

again, drafting 1 player is not making Orlando an army of 20 year old kids. you have your opinion, i have mine

[drsd]

it obviously depends who is drafted/available. ludicrous to make a statement like this

And-1.
For example: If Langford is available at #17, it is hard to see Orlando trading him away.


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[JBSouthpaw]

last years team sucked, so you are saying there is no chance that a first round pic could make the team? ...[/b]

That's my mindset.
I have zero desire to draft PG, SG, PF or C, so that leaves me with what? I just think it's easier and more effective to take somebody at SF i know what brings to the table, than young player that probably won't be able to get into rotation any time soon.
Also most players you mentioned ( Colins, Lavert, Harris, Nurkić, RHJ ) actually look good now because they were drafted by teams that had zero playoff aspirations during their rookie year.
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1 draft pick likely replacing Iwundu/Frazier/etc is not an "army of 20 yr old kids"

and 6 of the 11 youngest teams in the NBA and 5 of the 10 oldest teams made the playoffs. talent trumps over age.

I think the pick will be replacement for Martin, or Grant who are both gone for sure.

we won't know if Briscoe will re-sign w/ us until after the draft, correct?

If Ross or Vuc go, they will be replaced by Vets.

[zaymon]

I honestly dont know who would we want as a trade target for 16 pick. 6-6, 6-7 with good handle and passing ala Iguodala would be perfect. I think we have also need one dynamic guard like Denver has bunch of from the bench

[orthoman]

If the 17th pick is so bad (I agree), why don't we just draft Tacko Fall, before another team grabs him in the 2nd round?

He's an absolute beast, a mammoth shot blocker who changes the tempo of the game immediately.

Let him develop in Lakeland a year or two. I went to several UCF games this year and its incredible how the opposing team
is intimidated by him. Let him backup Vucevic and package Bamba for another shooter.

The UCF doctor told me he expects Fall to grow to 7'8"

[drsd]

I honestly dont know who would we want as a trade target for 16 pick. 6-6, 6-7 with good handle and passing ala Iguodala would be perfect. I think we have also need one dynamic guard like Denver has bunch of from the bench

Did Brooklyn and Orlando already have their coin flip for 16 vs. 17 ?

[KillMonger]

We definitely need someone that can score off the bench as I don't know what we're doing with Ross. Even if we keep him a still want another guy, with him. Because honestly right now in terms of scoring coin toss IS the bench.

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